dahmage

What about a thread where we review movies that we haven’t seen?

DuracellEnergizer said:

dahmage said:

Yeah, Welcome Back DE, that was a long time. And glad to see the new avatar.

It felt like the right time to show to a more positive face. As much as I hate modern copyright laws, I love Man’s infinite, diverse ways of understanding the Divine more.

Any changes on the pizza or job front?

I love these old timey jabs 😋

Possessed said:

I’d like to compliment myself on not being as crabby and confrontational toward all you lame fucks lately as I had been getting in kind of a funk lately because of how lame you all are.

Possessed is such a rascal.

TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Does the average person trust a machine to do the driving? How hacker proof are these driverless cars? Ordinary cars with wireless connections have already been hacked into.

Warbler said:

I guess it depends when the technology will be reliable enough.

Were both exchanging posts on devices that are wide open to hacking and yet we still bought them.

I just let the hackers post for me, it’s easier.

ray_afraid said:

dahmage said:

its not that you didn’t believe in the sun. its that you didn’t believe it was coming back…

But just believing that won’t kill you. The morning will prove you wrong.
And if it’s true, then that reality will kill you, not your doubt in the sun.

ok, you must be tooling with me…

ray_afraid said:

snooker said:

“Hope is like the sun. If you only believe it when you see it you’ll never make it through the night.”

ALLOL
If I die at night, let it be known that it was because I didn’t believe in the sun.

I don’t get what you find so troubling with that quote.

it reminds me of all the ancient culture stories that where shared during the last eclipse (this past summer?). Lots of times in the past, people freaked out when the sun disappeared.

its not that you didn’t believe in the sun. its that you didn’t believe it was coming back…

Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

snooker said:

“Hope is like the sun. If you only believe it when you see it you’ll never make it through the night.”

Who wrote this trash?

Hope is something you wish will happen for the greater good and benefit others more than yourself. I.e something that will have a greater impact than just hope you passed an exam that is not really “hope” that is personal ambition.

I am glad i never went to see this. Not interested in the edit either…

Only believe the sun when you see it? Hmmmmm…

This is totally stupid at least my opinion. I will only believe a star when i see it snarf snarf (thundercats) yes this is complete stupidity.

And this bloke got given a whole trilogy as in 3 more films with this sort of dialogue… HA HA HA HA.

Amazing the stupidness is.

Who wrote this trash?

Oh right, ronster.

No mate what i wrote was not the sort of sycofantic trash that you gobble up like some sort of heroin addict.

I treat films for what they are. It does not matter if it is a franchise ora stand alone film. Actually i despise all the Marvel franchise and the best films from last year I would say was “The Witch” and “High Rise” both totally new ground covered not your run of the mill shallow churned out machine blockbuster. It’s over for me all of this crappy superficial nonsence I am most certainly done. I prefer films with some sort of substance that i can relate to as a human and even if they give a different slant on realty i can still relate to it and understand.

But i am not the person who eats popcorn and feels a desire to stuff my face relentlessly because i am watching a film. This is the truth. Read and weap if you care too…

i would ask again if you are ok, but …

Ronster said:

snooker said:

“Hope is like the sun. If you only believe it when you see it you’ll never make it through the night.”

Who wrote this trash?

Hope is something you wish will happen for the greater good and benefit others more than yourself. I.e something that will have a greater impact than just hope you passed an exam that is not really “hope” that is personal ambition.

I am glad i never went to see this. Not interested in the edit either…

Only believe the sun when you see it? Hmmmmm…

This is totally stupid at least my opinion. I will only believe a star when i see it snarf snarf (thundercats) yes this is complete stupidity.

R U OK MY FRIEND?

Yeah, Welcome Back DE, that was a long time. And glad to see the new avatar.

DrDre said:

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WYSHS

NeverarGreat said:

Random Opinions on appearances:
I liked that Hux looked more sallow and haunted.
I liked how Leia looked more regal.
I liked how Snoke was a sassy jerk.
I liked how C-3PO and R2-D2 looked a lot more realistic somehow.
I liked Holdo’s…everything.

Oh, I agree with this. Very much.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

ZigZig said:

I have a strange Groundhog Day feeling.

Same. It just struck me I honestly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing.

It’s all there in the film. If you don’t like it, fine. If you don’t want to accept it, fine. But it’s there, and it works for me and a lot of people. I truly don’t know why I bother, I’ve been arguing about this movie for more than a month and it feels like I’ve basically accomplished nothing at all.

Just because you have an opinion, doesn´t mean it´s right. Just because it works for you, doesn´t imply there´s some truth that everyone else is missing.

I might argue you are ignoring obvious problems with the film. It’s all there in the film. If you like it, fine. If you don’t want to accept it, fine. But it’s there, and it ruins the film for me and a lot of people. I truly don’t know why I bother, I’ve been arguing about this movie for more than a month and it feels like I’ve basically accomplished nothing at all.

That like yours would be a fallacious argument.

One thing I do agree with is, that we´re going around in circles, which is sort of pointless.

I never said I was right. I’m just saying that most of the stuff I keep arguing about is justified in the film itself. There’s nothing wrong with not accepting something the film presents or wishing it had taken a different route. I really mean it, that’s fine. But I can’t keep arguing like this, I’m basically just explaining the movie (and don’t take this to mean that I think you didn’t get the movie, that’s not what I’m saying! as for the “obvious problems,” I didn’t catch barely any at all until I logged on here, so I guess in this regard I’m the one who “didn’t get it” haha).

Like I said, if the direction didn’t work for you, fine, there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m still trying to accept that I can’t change that (for me this isn’t about being “right,” I just want you to see why this is a good movie so you can enjoy it). It worked for me, and I’d wager it’d be near impossible for anyone to change that (certainly now after having heard every possible complaint for the past month). So yeah, I think we really are going pointlessly in circles.

Well, I think criticisms work two ways. It’s partly about expectations, or wishing it had taken a different route. In that respect I agree, it’s not the creator’s fault for taking things into his preferred direction. However, much of the criticsm is also leveled at other aspects of film making, whether there are tonal issues, whether the story’s original, whether the characters are well developed, and or consistent. These are issues people have with the film, that cannot be simply attributed to expectations, or wanting things to go a different route. It’s all still subjective of course, as any opinion is, but to the critics these are weaknesses of the film, that exist even if they accept the basic premise of RJ’s story.

For example I believe, I would have accepted Luke’s arc in this film, if the relationship between Luke and Ben Solo had been better developed. RJ could have added a few more flashbacks to flesh out the backstory, or some exposition reminiscent of Obi-Wan’s “good friend” tale in ANH. If it would have been established, that Luke and young Ben were once very close, we would understand Luke’s heartbreak better when it all went bad. It also would have worked better if the story didn’t end up repeating the Empire vs rebels dynamic, which is a problem of originality. That way not all of our classic hero’s accomplishments would have been undone, because they would be facing a different challenge and situation.

Oooh boy, there’s a lot I want to say about this but I promise I will not. I’ve been trying to get out of this thread for awhile now. I think if I publicly make a promise to stay out of it I’ll be able to stick to it easier.

I made those promises, and it didn’t work, sadly. Once you start reading through other people’s posts, it’s just too tempting to respond, and before you know it you’re walking in circles again. I guess not reading the thread at all would be a solution.

One thing that I’ve done in the past is type up a response… and then not post it.

That’s actually a good suggestion. That way you can get it out of your system.

I don’t mind reading this thread and occasionally posting in it, I just can’t keep getting into dead-end arguments.

Yeah, me too.

I have skipped hitting the “submit your reply” button a BILLION times in this thread as well 😋

Nothing ever is quite as good as a first run. But yeah, the later seasons have some great episodes in them too!

ray_afraid said:

Meh. I think everything in Kong looked better than Apes.

some parts of Kong absolutely.

Possessed said:

dahmage said:

Possessed said:

If I got banned would you guys talk about me? :’(

Will somebody have the DECENCY to punch me in the face?

👊

JEDIT: also lol.

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

Just a question. What are you trying to improve ? The movies already look amazing. What’s left to do to them ?

1080p. And much higher quality 35mm sources for SW and ESB.

I thought they were already 1080p…

720p

TV’s Frink said:

Collipso said:

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

Creox said:

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yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yhwx said:

It’s amazing how people have selective amnesia. Yes, Luke did throw away his saber in ROTJ, but a few seconds before, he was about to kill Vader. And a few minutes before that, he’s prepared to “strike down” the Emperor, only to have his faithful apprentice intercept the attack.

I would call that a character arc. These things didn’t happen in a random order. Luke get’s goaded into using force, first by Palps, then by Vader to the point of almost killing Vader. Luke realizes he’s about to follow in his father footsteps, and composes himself, tossing away his lightsaber. He’s learned a valuable lesson, and passed the test. A test he then again fails in TLJ.

How did he fail that same test? Aren’t his actions just consistent with how he was portrayed in ROTJ? A person doesn’t stop making mistakes just because they make the right decision one time. As you pointed out, the Emperor goaded Luke into striking. Vader goaded Luke into striking. He seems to like striking and be easily goaded and then later comes to his senses. How then is going to Ben’s hut to confront him and freaking out about how far he has fallen and igniting his light saber out of character. It seems totally in character by the very example you have provided. That is his MO. React on instinct and then let his wisdom rein him in. You have just proven with your own examples that Luke’s actions in Ben’s hut are 100% consistent with ROTJ Luke.

I don’t agree. The idea of a character arc is, that people make a journey, usually learning from their mistakes, such that they don’t make that mistake again. In TESB Luke drew his weapon first when confronted with Vader, itching for a fight. In ROTJ Luke had to be goaded into a fight, and he resisted the Emperor for a long time, despite the real threat and suffering he faced. Luke learned from his experience in TESB, as he learned from his experience in ROTJ to finally become a Jedi. So, after ROTJ Luke should have grown beyond such mistakes in my view. The situation with the possible future of Ben Solo pales in comparison to Luke’s previous real experiences from my point of view, and so he should have been able to control himself. Let’s not forget Luke has had at least two decades to learn from his experiences before his fallout with young Ben, and to grow as a Jedi Master. Yet, TLJ seems to suggest the opposite happened. Luke regressed, and turned out to have become a far worse Jedi than Obi-Wan or Yoda, despite growing beyond their dogma in ROTJ.

When did we see Luke actually learn from his mistakes? We see him make similar mistakes over and over again and we never see him really grow past it.

I gave you a very clear example in my previous post.

And why should the fall of his nephew not shake him to the core?

It should shake him to the core, but he’s been trained to deal with this stuff both by studying and experience. A fireman is not supposed to freak out at the idea of having to put out a big fire, especially when we saw him put out bigger fires in the past, and he should certainly not give up while the fire is still small, and allow it to burn the house down.

You are building Luke up as a legend and not seeing the flaws he carried right to the end of ROTJ.

And you refuse to acknowledge the growth of Luke’s character over the course of three films.

When Luke threw down his saber and faced the Emperor he knew that he was likely to die. The Emperor didn’t goad him any further, he just tried to kill him. But there is no big huge change in Luke’s personality.

I think you are wrong. For Luke to throw away his weapon in the face of danger, and to resign himself is a major progression of his character. Just look at how he refused to leave his weapon when Yoda suggested he didn’t need it in the Dagobah dark side cave. The Luke who proclaims himself a Jedi is a very different person from the one who enters the cave. That is character progression. It’s poor story telling in my view to then just wipe that all off the table with a sixty second flashback, and more or less say Luke’s different now, move along.

so him making a similar mistake due to the horror of seeing how far his nephew had fallen already could be shock enough for him to act on instinct over intelligence for a moment. I don’t know why that is so hard to believe of his character. His arc was to redeem his father, not to be the perfect Jedi.

No, but his arc was to become a capable one, not one of the worst Jedi in history. Luke became one of the lost 20. The only thing that could have happened, that would be worse, is Luke joining the dark side. At least the PT took three movies to explain (poorly) how Anakin turned from a young hero into an evil monster. TLJ condensed a similar character arc into a sixty second flashback. That won’t do for me.

The one fact that is missed in many discussions surrounding your points is that 30 years have passed. That is a long time to consider ones life and choices, good and bad.

The other thing I was thinking about with regards to the horror Luke feels when he searches Kylo is that Kylo was likely being influenced by Snoke for quite a while by then. It is possible that Luke was sensing the Supreme Leader or at least his evil presence along with Kylo’s turning. This would cause Luke to respond as he does imo.

It might, but IMO thirty years passing is no excuse for plot holes.

I know it’s pointless to bring it up but they aren’t plot holes. You just wanted something different than what you got. Not the same thing.

I think a better way to describe would be “character inconsistencies”.

Just a reminder that this is all that needed to be said, and I accepted it immediately. But nah, let’s spend a few pages arguing instead. An especially effective tactic is to start quoting definitions…that always ends the argument, right?

I agree with Frink on this

an argument is “an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.”

so well done all.

dahmage said:

dahmage said:

Possessed said:

If I got banned would you guys talk about me? :’(

dahmage said:
🔥 (burn!)

yhwx said:
“Fire”

dahmage said:

Possessed said:

If I got banned would you guys talk about me? :’(

dahmage said:
🔥 (burn!)

Possessed said:

If I got banned would you guys talk about me? :’(

DrDre said:

oojason said:

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

The ST is meant to be part of a larger overarching story.

Again this is just your desire/opinion. I don’t care about the development of characters from PT to OT, and furthermore trying to use that as a justification for calling character development a “plot hole” just doesn’t work.

Which is your opinion, and arguing semantics.

TV’s Frink said:

Words mean things. Plot holes are something specific, and are not what you are describing. It’s not semantics.

But ok. I said I give up before, I mean it this time.

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

Words mean things. Plot holes are something specific, and are not what you are describing. It’s not semantics.

But ok. I said I give up before, I mean it this time.

“Arguing semantics is a derogatory term used by one party in an argument to resist the other party’s attempt to question the terms and language used in the argument.”

I’ve explained what my issues are with the ST, which is the point, I’m trying to get across. Despite this you continue to avoid the topic, by arguing about the meaning of a word (semantics) I used to summarize my argument. A word I would gladly replace by a more appropriate term, if that makes you happy, as I’ve indicated. Ergo, you are arguing semantics. I would like to get away from semantics, and discuss the issues I’ve raised with those posters, interested in discussing them.

Actually, the full quora.com post is…

'“Arguing semantics” is a derogatory term used by one party in an argument to resist the other party’s attempt to question the terms and language used in the argument. This is generally done because the current terms favor his / her position.

In this situation the first party will often feign impatience – “Come on, let’s stop quibbling about semantics and get on with things!”’

 

I don’t see Frink stating ‘arguing semantics’? Do you?

And it certainly wasn’t used as a derogatory term by him - as you inferred by mentioning it in your post.
 

A word of warning - tread carefully when trying to cast aspersions of using a ‘derogatory term’ onto others.
 

That is all - thank you.

I was the one who said Frink was arguing semantics, not the other way around. I was getting impatient with Frink for banging on about my choice of words or specifically a word, when I wanted to debate an argument. I already stated, I would be happy to use an other term to summarize my criticisms. Despite this fact, Frink further debated the meaning of the word I used previously, hence my response, where I reiterated, why I felt he was arguing semantics, rather than debating the argument.

I agree with Dre on this

rodneyfaile said:

NeverarGreat said:

According to ‘# of movies they’ve been in’, Palpatine, Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin are the main characters in the saga.

I thought it was Chewbacca, R2-D2, and C-3P0.

+1

and i would add the Millennium Falcon to that.

yhwx said:

The banned members thread should be unlocked. We’re discusdibg it here, so there’s no point in not having a seperate thread. And the incident that caused it to be locked is very unlikely to happen again.

you found a word with just one google search result! https://www.google.com/search?q=discusdibg&nfpr=1

also i agree locking that thread is kinda pointless. the discussion just goes somewhere else.
but i disagree that the incident is unlikely to happen again.

ZkinandBonez said:

I used to think the probe-droid in ESB kept saying “needing assistance”. It’s just electronic gibberish, but I still think it sounds kind if similar.

“in need of assistance” is what i still hear to this day. even though i know it isn’t that.