Does the Fuji print have more detail than the Grindhouse version will? I assume so.
"The DCP is not the same master as the Blu-ray. The proportions and framing are different. It is in fact the 2002 DVD master."
EDIT: Seems I was correct. The DVD, BD and DCP are all the same master.
Yes, I meant I'd get a screenshot of a bright scene. I was just pointing out that there were pure black parts in the movie at some point, as you said that helps when masking it.
There is pure black in the very beginning of the film, I will work on getting you the screenshot soon. That way you can tell me what can be done with it.
That Batman logo removal looks good, that is what I need to do. I will try to post a screenshot of the logo I want removed later. The logo is a transparent MGM logo, should that be pretty easy to remove?
towne32 said:
jedimasterobiwan said:
wright96d said:
Shouldn't you all wait for the 30th Anniversary Blu-Ray before taking on a huge restoration/remastering project?
universal said it's not getting a remaster it's the same transfer
I'm not super well informed on BTTF blu-ray stuff, but are there serious problems with the transfer? I thought all the issues were due to their processing downstream of the transfer (DVNR, edge enhancement, etc). Could they end up with something decent from the previous transfer or no?
I believe it would look pretty good if they released the same transfers without the dnr and edge enhancement. Not as good as it could look with a new remaster, but a big improvement. I believe the DCP floating around is the same transfer as the BD, only without dnr and edge enhancement and it looks quite a bit better. I just find it very hard to believe that Universal is not remastering the BTTF trilogy for it's 30th anniversary. That is outrageous if true. I also heard that they digitally erased some sparks or something by accident in one of the films, I think part III. I forget.
team_negative1 said:
There have not been any previews of the newer Fuji print yet.
Team Negative1
How much work (scanning, damage removal, etc.) is done on the Fuji print? Or has it not been worked on at all yet?
team_negative1 said:
Half of those comments are our own replies, the rest are just thank you's, and not any real content.
We haven't had any comments about scenes, artifacts, issues, or anything else. for Empire Strikes Back. Star Wars had more comments, but all those issues have been addressed already.
Which leads us to gauge the interest in Empire Strikes Back is not as high.------------------------------------------------
Yes. This is just clean up of the print.
Here was a previous status update:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Team-Negative1-The-Empire-Strikes-Back-1980-35mm-Theatrical-Version-Release-Details-and-Updates/post/776451/#TopicPost776451
Team Negative1
Speaking for myself, I am more interested in Empire Strikes Back than A New Hope. Extremely excited for all 3, but Empire is the most I am looking forward to.
I just played the movie file with windows media player and it has a running time of 1:20:35, when I play it with powerdvd it is the same as well. Not sure what's going on. This is the only TeamBlu release that has given me any problems at all.
Jetrell Fo said:
I believe I noticed some encoding issues, glitches in the picture, as well. I haven't even gotten to the last 10 minutes yet. I'll watch and post back.
I thought I saw a few glitches in the picture as well, but I thought I may had mistaken... maybe not.
kaosjm said:
crampedmisfit1990 said:
kaosjm said:
Just got out of the BTTF 35mm showing. Story time --->
The show started off with an air guitar contest tuned to the scene where Marty plays at the dance and the winner received a pair of purple Calvin Klein underwear. We all had scratch and sniff cards to go along with the movie as well as glow sticks for the flux capacitor scenes and replica reprints of the "Save the clocktower" newspapers to wave around during those scenes. The scratch cards were very cool... whenever there was fire, hay, or manure you could smell it and the whole theater wreaked of it.
The print itself looked gorgeous for its age with very little wear and tear. I was blown away that it was preserved that well. I spoke with a friend who was hosting it and he did confirm that it was rented from Universal Studios. If I could describe it... it was like the DCP but every shade of color was noticeably darker in tone. I noticed in the opening scene when the toast pops out that it was pretty much all black with almost no brown to be seen. The scene where Doc demonstrates the time machine was synchronized to pyrotechnics that fired in the front of the auditorium when the flame streaks appeared. That alone was probably worth the ticket price.
Suddenly during the reel change before Marty goes to school in 1955 for the first time the movie cuts to the last reel where Doc and Marty are getting ready to drive the Delorean 88 in the storm and the movie is upside down and playing backwards. The crowd got a kick out of it and laughed it off but a few of us knew the projectionist was in a very dark place. We knew there was no way that reel change was getting fixed any time soon and feared the worst. 10 minutes passed and the Blu Ray comes on. The projectionist managed to save the day... the color change was definitely noticeable but I must say that on a screen that size the BD still looked great! I jokingly told my friends that they could've played the old VHS and it still would've been good. BTTF is a perfect movie that doesn't suffer to any format.
Anyways it was a great night after all and I'm glad I got to see at least half the film in 35mm even though that was a bummer. Up next I'll be seeing Jaws 40th anniversary in the water during a special inflatable screen showing followed by Conan later this month.
edit: when the film ended there was no "To be continued" scene before the credits... the Deloran flew at the audience and cut immediately to credits but it was not the 35mm print playing because of the mishap that occurred an hour in to the film. To my understanding the Blurays have the TBC credit don't they? How did that not show up?
Sounds like a fantastic evening! Wish I could have been there. Oh, and no the BD does not have the "To Be Continued...". I have the US and UK BDs and they don't have it. They're both the same transfer.
Good to know the BD is more true to the original film print than the remastered DVDs from the early 2000s. I saw BTTF last summer on an international flight and now I know it was definitely a DVD version since it had the TBC logo at the end. Not to mention I once owned the DVD trilogy that was released in the early 2000s but I didn't know much about cinema transfers at that time and had no idea anyways. I am still partial to the DCP because it looks so clean.
Yeah, just too bad the BD is so digitally messed with. Really surprised that Universal hasn't announced a 4k remaster for the 30th anniversary... really surprised. BTTF is my favorite trilogy after Star Wars.
TripleHBK said:
I'm still down for helping out and will PM this week. As for Jason goes to Hell... the upload on BT has an issue. I and another user over their have experienced a problem during the final few minutes of the film. At 1 Hour 20 minutes and 31 Seconds the film suddenly freezes and jumps ahead to the end of the film, returning the user to the main menu skipping the final 10 minutes of the film. It has happened on my North American PS3 which has had 0 issues with every other Team Blu Release, as well as on my pc. I first noticed the problem when trying to rip the main movie file to create a smaller streamable 720p encode that I use for my home media server. Using Makemkv the program would hang during the last few seconds of the rip. Thinking it may be the disc I created, I tried ripping the files directly but ran into the same issue.
The release is otherwise outstanding, but as it is currently, the main film is unfortunately broken. Hopefully the issue is with the files that were uploaded and as such it can be fixed/re-uploaded. I encourage others who have downloaded the film from BT to check their BD-R's to confirm the issue.
Same issue here watching on my pc. I kept looking for another file within the BDMV Stream folder that contained the final 10 minutes and wondered why it was split. Guess it is simply an error.
RU.08 said:
When they started the project everything was scanned at 1080p. Later, they changed their camera and later scans were done at 4k and resized to 1080p. By every account they've given, all work being done (clean-up, stabilisation, etc) is being done at 1080p and not 4k. By their descriptions, their 4k scans don't yield meaningful detail above 1080p anyway.
That makes sense. I did read this myself earlier, but I was still unsure if they were doing clean up in 4k or 1080p. You've answered my question. Thanks for the information.
kaosjm said:
Just got out of the BTTF 35mm showing. Story time --->
The show started off with an air guitar contest tuned to the scene where Marty plays at the dance and the winner received a pair of purple Calvin Klein underwear. We all had scratch and sniff cards to go along with the movie as well as glow sticks for the flux capacitor scenes and replica reprints of the "Save the clocktower" newspapers to wave around during those scenes. The scratch cards were very cool... whenever there was fire, hay, or manure you could smell it and the whole theater wreaked of it.
The print itself looked gorgeous for its age with very little wear and tear. I was blown away that it was preserved that well. I spoke with a friend who was hosting it and he did confirm that it was rented from Universal Studios. If I could describe it... it was like the DCP but every shade of color was noticeably darker in tone. I noticed in the opening scene when the toast pops out that it was pretty much all black with almost no brown to be seen. The scene where Doc demonstrates the time machine was synchronized to pyrotechnics that fired in the front of the auditorium when the flame streaks appeared. That alone was probably worth the ticket price.
Suddenly during the reel change before Marty goes to school in 1955 for the first time the movie cuts to the last reel where Doc and Marty are getting ready to drive the Delorean 88 in the storm and the movie is upside down and playing backwards. The crowd got a kick out of it and laughed it off but a few of us knew the projectionist was in a very dark place. We knew there was no way that reel change was getting fixed any time soon and feared the worst. 10 minutes passed and the Blu Ray comes on. The projectionist managed to save the day... the color change was definitely noticeable but I must say that on a screen that size the BD still looked great! I jokingly told my friends that they could've played the old VHS and it still would've been good. BTTF is a perfect movie that doesn't suffer to any format.
Anyways it was a great night after all and I'm glad I got to see at least half the film in 35mm even though that was a bummer. Up next I'll be seeing Jaws 40th anniversary in the water during a special inflatable screen showing followed by Conan later this month.
edit: when the film ended there was no "To be continued" scene before the credits... the Deloran flew at the audience and cut immediately to credits but it was not the 35mm print playing because of the mishap that occurred an hour in to the film. To my understanding the Blurays have the TBC credit don't they? How did that not show up?
Sounds like a fantastic evening! Wish I could have been there. Oh, and no the BD does not have the "To Be Continued...". I have the US and UK BDs and they don't have it. They're both the same transfer.
clutchins said:
RU.08 said:
TV's Frink said:
RU.08 said:
crampedmisfit1990 said:
Why not? Do they get all twisted-up about it or something? haha
Because it's not scanned in 4k. Read the thread.
That's not what we were talking about. Read the rest of the forum.
Http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/4K-restoration-on-Star-Wars/post/770625/#TopicPost770625
Team Olie
How does that change the fact that the Negative 1 project isn't scanned in 4k?
I thought it was scanned in 4K and then downsampled several times to 1080p.
That's actually what I also thought and then I was told no and then yes... I am yet to get a 100% accurate answer. I was also told to read more threads and then after reading many pages, that really didn't give me a perfect answer either.
clutchins said:
crampedmisfit1990 said:
To my eyes, your transfer looks a lot more natural. It has an organic look, where the BD has a sort of filtered digital look. Great looking samples.
Very true, but keep in mind that there hasn't even been any color correction applied.
Yes, I know. I was about to mention that the color correction will work wonders to what already looks great. The BD looks dark as hell.
To my eyes, your transfer looks a lot more natural. It has an organic look, where the BD has a sort of filtered digital look. Great looking samples.
Checked this out earlier, looks wonderful! If it were tweaked a little and all the damage was removed, it would be perfect. Can't wait to see the outcome of more work.
Are there any special requirements to check it out early? I am very interested in an early preview.
The cue marks are not a huge deal, just asking. Thank you for the answers.
RU.08 said:
crampedmisfit1990 said:
Why not? Do they get all twisted-up about it or something? haha
Because it's not scanned in 4k. Read the thread.
I have been reading the thread for a long time, but I must have missed that particular conversation. It is hard to keep up with some of these threads because if you miss a day or two on this site there are so many pages to read.
Asaki said:
crampedmisfit1990 said:
I ask because it seems a darn shame to leave in those cue marks that are a big distraction, with the rest of the restorations looking so damn good.So do you never go to the theatre?
I'm sure if they bother you that much, it would be pretty easy to edit them out yourself; it's only, what, 12 frames that require minor editing?
Yes, I go to theatres, but in a home video (even if custom) I'd like them removed. I'm not trying to sound ungrateful, because I love the work being done and I know it is very hard, time consuming and expensive. I just thought they might be interested in making a version without these cue marks. I mean, it shouldn't take the pros very much time at all to remove them. The cue marks don't bother me to an extent that I can't stand it, I just think it would look much better without them... I know quite a few members on this thread have already voiced this same opinion as me, I saw them pages back. Heck, maybe they should take a vote on removing the cues marks, that'd be interesting. haha
TV's Frink said:
Oh no, don't get "them" started on 4k.
Team Olie
Why not? Do they get all twisted-up about it or something? haha
team_negative1, I've been meaning to ask a few questions...Edit: Removed 1st question because I got my answer already.
I also wanted to ask if you guys maybe had the plans to release the 1080p version later with the cue marks removed as well. I remember you stating that you are leaving them in and I'm sure a ton of the fans would want them left out. You could release them without cue marks and have it titled like Star Wars 1977 Theatrical ver 2.0 or whatever. You get the point. I ask because it seems a darn shame to leave in those cue marks that are a big distraction, with the rest of the restorations looking so damn good. I'm not against leaving the cue marks in, but I'd like a second version without them too. Thanks.
EDIT: I kept going back many, many pages and eventually found the answer. Must have missed it when it was 1st posted.
DocBosch said:
I'm open to that. I am based in South Florida, if that helps at all.
I'm not sure about who will be willing to do the job, but it is too great an opportunity to pass up.