from: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/If-you-need-to-Btch-about-something-this-is-the-place/id/11555/page/318#1135859

AveKender said:

It bugs my bones that Americans associate separatism with white supremacist ideals and slavery.

Are you talking about modern day America, or that of the Civil War era? Civil War era separatism was motivated by white supremacy and slavery. Any modern day separatism is foolish in general, regardless of motivation.

I wholeheartedly believe that sooner rather than later this country will split into an increasing number of successor republics. I am certain that some of those, particularly the states that emerge in the Southeast, will be pretty much like apartheid states, even more so than the US is currently. However I would expect better of the states that arise in the North and the West.

No. We already fought a civil war to decide whether states could secede, and the Confederacy lost. Even if white supremacists want(ed) to secede their home states from the rest of the nation, they can’t.

Hal 9000 said:

Hmmm… that ordering is probably the least problematic way to include the Republic/Resistance tension you brought up, though I share your reservations about it, but it might be okay to be away from Rey for a while if it sidesteps the other problems.

Meanwhile, here’s an earnest attempt at an earlier, alternate solution to this problem:
https://vimeo.com/244748972
password: snoke

I don’t know. That seems to have Ren getting from A to B to C almost unrealistically quickly. Granted some amount of time could occur between cuts, but the music doesn’t even change so the scenes flow together suggesting they’re relatively close timewise.

chyron8472 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Hal, I thought you fixed that. But I have 4.2 and it seems the subtitle in the crawl is the same as before.

I don’t get it.

I’m tired of the Angry Video Game Nerd. It was amusing for a while, but then he moved from crass to offensive, and the whole angry nerd schtick has long since worn out its novelty. I like James’ more mellow stuff, but not the Nerd anymore.

ray_afraid said:

Oh good, now I can easily be misquoted and taken out of context.
Thanks chyron.

Any time.

screams in the void said:

I enjoyed the fan edit of episode 3 called Dark Force Rising by Kerr . It made for a much tighter story and eliminated the most cringe worthy parts . But that’s just like , my opinion man .

The speed of the film and audio pitch are too high in Kerr’s edit. I think he created it from a PAL source instead of NTSC, and that is super annoying.

ray_afraid said:

ray_afraid said:

Sure, but, like in most good movies, there are reasons given even if they are a bit of a stretch.

ALL the Star Wars movies are dumb. 😉

You should wash your hands with soap for typing that.

You’ve got my interest piqued, especially since the Extended Edition of Episode III that he does have has The Cutter’s ending for Padme included (which, for me, is make or break at this point).

DuracellEnergizer said:

That’s not how the Jedi mind trick works!

That’s not how the Jedi mind trick works…

Possessed said:

chyron8472 said:

Q2’s Fall of the Jedi Trilogy fanedits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HesmWVhuTg4

• “Chosen One” nonsense is removed;
• Droid anachronisms are removed (in fact, the droids themselves are almost entirely cut);
• Anakin’s fate at the end of Episode III is edited, leaving ESB revelation intact;
• Padme’s fate at the end of Episode III is altered, leaving Luke’s ROTJ revelation intact and allowing his conversation with Leia on Endor to make more sense;
• Anakin is far less whiny;
• Obi-Wan is far less argumentative;
• Anakin and Padme don’t fight their feelings;
• VERY little dialogue and antics from Jar Jar;

…and that’s off the top of my head.

Would agree but they move too fast. Feels too much like an “edit”.

I disagree. In fact, one of the reasons I like them is because they don’t feel like edits. Perhaps we’ve seen so many edits and know the movies back to front so well that we can tell when dialogue is missing at times, but for the most part they’re really well done.

I would say the reason I gave up watching L8wrtr’s edits in favor of Q2’s is because of some decisions L8wrtr made that make them feel like edits.

Unfortunately you have to keep in some things that suck to keep the pace even.

And again, nope. I really enjoy the effort Q2 went to to make watching in chronological order not a spoilery affair for the OT. No other editor has tried this.

NeverarGreat said:

So, has anybody ever seen a Star Wars movie?

I have never personally seen a Star Wars film, as in a reel of film on which was contained a print of Star Wars. I have only ever seen a projection of light through said film.

I have a copy, but I haven’t watched it yet. Your mentioning it just now moves it to the top of the queue, though.

Hadn’t read this thread in a while. Walked in to see a pages-long argument about why Rey is/isn’t a Mary Sue, and/or why calling anyone that is sexist and trolling.

Skipped to the bottom of the thread after the first few pages of this. Ugh.

Q2’s Fall of the Jedi Trilogy fanedits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HesmWVhuTg4

• “Chosen One” nonsense is removed;
• Droid anachronisms are removed (in fact, the droids themselves are almost entirely cut);
• Anakin’s fate at the end of Episode III is edited, leaving ESB revelation intact;
• Padme’s fate at the end of Episode III is altered, leaving Luke’s ROTJ revelation intact and allowing his conversation with Leia on Endor to make more sense;
• Anakin is far less whiny;
• Obi-Wan is far less argumentative;
• Anakin and Padme don’t fight their feelings;
• VERY little dialogue and antics from Jar Jar;

…and that’s off the top of my head.

The Ridiculous Menace.

Favorite part is TC-14 almost speaking binary at the start of the film. I laugh every time.

Do you have the DLC? I highly recommend Master Mode.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?

Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.

It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].

chyron8472 said:

In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.

Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.

We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.

On these forums: Yes, we should.

In society at large: …We don’t? What does the culture do to shun women for liking Star Wars?

It’s more subtle, systematic, and implicit than that. While there are explicit examples of these deeper norms, it’s more of a pervasive problem that surfaces subtly. It’s hard to notice, but it’s there. Sometimes women aren’t exposed as much to these things. Sometimes it’s a gentle force steering them away. It’s like the norm that blue is for boys and that pink is for girls. There’s no biological reason for that; in fact, there was a time where the opposite was true. It’s just that there are societal norms embedded in culture that we are exposed to since the time we are born. It doesn’t have to be so explicit.

sounds like a conspiracy theory. Nah, I think I will stick with men and women having different brains and different hormones and it sometimes causes them to have different tastes in things.

Do you believe in institutional racism? If you do, it’s an issue with that sort of scale. It only sounds like a conspiracy theory because you haven’t thought about the issue enough and projected the situations other people might live in.

You assume that the female attitude toward “nerdy” entertainment choices are the result of subversive institutional sexism.

I do not believe this to be the case.

I think some might say Star Wars is a part of “nerd culture.” Whatever that is. So it may not be because it’s Star Wars, but because sci-fi (sci-fantasy?) is one of those nerdy things. And culture says such things are more for guys.

I have no idea how to fix that. I wish I could. I’m filmly entrenched in it from multiple angles: Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, video games, board games… and the perception is that women are quite the minority of the fanbase for all of those. As well it seems many fans of any one of those don’t really intersect with the others.

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

That’s a serious question. I don’t see why Star Wars, as a franchise, is not friendly to women.

Rey is a woman. And she’s a badass fighter and amazing pilot.

I’m not talking about Star Wars; I’m talking about the culture surrounding it.

Oh. Umm… I don’t know much about that. I visit here. That’s it.

And I can’t talk about my knowledge of Star Wars with my IRL friends because I get labelled a “purist.”

That’s a serious question. I don’t see why Star Wars, as a franchise, is not friendly to women.

Rey is a woman. And she’s a badass fighter and amazing pilot.

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

dahmage said:

can we get this back to being a politics thread?

This can cover social issues too, and it’s very privileged for you to take the position you are taking now.

sorry warb, but i am stealing your bit

*sigh*

You’re basically saying that this issue doesn’t matter, which, I think, should be pretty offensive towards women.

Nope, i am saying the three of you talking for 5 pages doesn’t matter. you guys aren’t exactly doing anything about the issue.

Discussion is important. It raises awareness about the issue. I am hoping that if I have this argument enough times, hearts and minds will change. If you immerse yourself in and opinion for enough time, you may acknowledge the merit in it.

True.

I’m not convinced that the issues being discussed here today are actually issues, more than they are “I wish more people liked this; or I wish this was not that way.”

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?

Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.

It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].

chyron8472 said:

In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.

Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.

We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.

On these forums: Yes, we should.

In society at large: …We don’t? What does the culture do to shun women for liking Star Wars?

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?

Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.

It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].

chyron8472 said:

In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.

Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that.

Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.

Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?

You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.

Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.

You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.

It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.

Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.

Does it cater to straight white dudes only? Who says it does? Is it required to? Who says it is? The culture? Which part? Mainstream?

You’re telling me mainstream culture tells us Star Wars is for straight white dudes and nerds only?

yhwx said:

Applicable to our discussion.

My point exactly.