chyron8472

yhwx said:

There’s no “reverse bigotry” going on.

I assume(d) that there are potentially people somewhere (on this site even) who assume if someone doesn’t like Rey it’s likely because they are sexist/misogynist, even if said person made no accusation of her being a Mary Sue.

I just included the term “reverse bigotry” to be inclusive of either potential extreme when I really am just saying I’m tired of the argument altogether no matter which way you come at it. I did not intend to assert that “reverse bigotry” is a problem worth discussing, especially when it comes to Rey.

dahmage said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Yeah, as though there’s not a middle ground? A place where someone can like Rey and Finn without bringing socio-cultural identity politics into it?

Why can’t people just like or dislike the character without turning it into a bigotry (or reverse bigotry) issue?

Reverse bigotry is a problem?

Ok.

It’s a thing. Being judgmental toward people by assuming their actions or feelings are primarily motivated by bigotry is a thing that happens. If it happens, it’s a problem.

And thank you for proving my point by being dismissive of it.

Please also keep this out of my thread.

I’m sorry. What I was trying to say was that I want to like Rey without needing to take some side as to whether or not it’s motivated by some social bias.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Yeah, as though there’s not a middle ground? A place where someone can like Rey and Finn without bringing socio-cultural identity politics into it?

Why can’t people just like or dislike the character without turning it into a bigotry (or reverse bigotry) issue?

Reverse bigotry is a problem?

Ok.

It’s a thing. Being judgmental toward people by assuming their actions or feelings are primarily motivated by bigotry is a thing that happens. If it happens, it’s a problem.

And thank you for proving my point by being dismissive of it.

Yeah, as though there’s not a middle ground? A place where someone can like Rey and Finn without bringing socio-cultural identity politics into it?

Why can’t people just like or dislike the character without turning it into a bigotry (or reverse bigotry) issue?

You also probably have to try to be the type of person, that the type of person you’re looking for, is looking for. And go to the place(s) that the type of person you’re looking for would likely go.

It helps to just be yourself, in that if you relax and respond naturally, as though women were also people, you may not stumble over yourself trying to be someone who you’re not in order to impress someone you wouldn’t normally like. This, of course, assumes that your natural responses to things are pleasant and not snide or rude.

Suffice it to say you should try to make (a) real life friend(s), and attempt for at least one of those friends to be female. Then at some point, ask her if she wants to do something somewhere just the two of you.

I say all that, but then I met my wife while walking back to the dorm from a Super Bowl party at college. You never know where you’ll meet her. But one thing I’ve learned from being married is that, since I’m not on the market anymore, I’m much more relaxed around women which makes it easier for me to approach them. Don’t sell yourself short and just talk to women like you talk to anyone (again, assuming you normally try to be civil) and one of them will probably talk to you too.

This thread has turned into the “Hate on TLJ” Bandwagon thread.

I got the TLJ soundtrack

and Pandemic Legacy: Season 2.

Warbler said:

You must do what you feel is right of course.

What you did there,

I see it.

Mike O said:

Rogue-theX said:

Oh, fine:

Some large, heavy HOT PRESS watercolor paper.
A large bottle of booze.
Some all terrain, 4 wheel drive boots. Large.

What are 4WD boots?

I also would like to know the answer to this.

Merry Christmas.

Pandemic Legacy: Season 2 board game

The Looney, Looney, Looney Bugs Bunny Movie

Stargate Atlantis on DVD/Bluray

Expeditionary Force book set

Guitar starter set with which to teach myself how to play, using Rocksmith 2014

of Beauty and Rage album by Red

Google Home Mini

What exactly would you guys say are specific reasons why TLJ is so divisive?

Not why it sucks, or why it’s wonderful—but what about the film seems to (apparently) be making it a love it or hate it kind of thing?

Like, if I were to have a conversation with someone I know irl about TLJ, and if I said it seems to be really divisive regarding the fanbase, and they asked me why, what could I say?

…I’m having this hypothetical conversation with family in my head, but I don’t know how to explain conceptually why its divisive, especially to someone who hasn’t seen the film yet.

ChainsawAsh said:

Not saying this was the right way to explain it, but Force spirits were explained in the last 3 episodes of The Clone Wars Season 6.

I’m not asking “why did they become Force Ghosts”, but “why did their bodies disappear?”

yhwx said:

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

Jay kind of did say yes…
But the person who used that word, I believe, is still active and roaming the forums. If you agree that it is a word that people should be disciplined for using, why haven’t you disciplined that person?

That was done in PMs as far as I can tell. The guy apologized publicly. I don’t see any reason to ban him.

I see a reason, under rule number seven.

That assumes the rules are held to, hard and fast; as opposed to taking the circumstances and intent into consideration.

I don’t think they intend to just drop the hammer equally on all subjective cases of rule breaking, even if the forum rule page warns they might.

TavorX said:

I really don’t see how it killed him. It was super draining, I don’t dispute that, but I see it as him peacefully becoming one with the Force. Rey even says Luke’s gone but that it was with purpose and intent.

Are Jedi supposed to disappear when they die? The OT suggested so, but the PT explicitly says otherwise.

Why specifically did Yoda and Ben Kenobi disappear? Did Yoda disappear because he died peacefully, or did he disappear because he purposed to give himself over to the Force in his final seconds? Did Ben Kenobi disappear because because he sacrificed himself at Vader’s hand, or because he gave himself over to the Force in the instant before Vader could kill him?

The question about why Obi-Wan and Yoda disappeared but Qui-Gon did not nor did any other PT Jedi ever (or even Chirrut Imwe from R1) has never been answered.

Maybe Luke disappeared for the same reason Obi-Wan and Yoda did, but the OT doesn’t explain why Obi-Wan and Yoda did.

I really need to watch the movie again. I liked it a lot, and I need to stop reading these complaints and instead go back and be reminded again of why I enjoyed truly it.

And I don’t think it ruins the OT at all.

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

but I really don’t think R should be weighted the same as N, given a certain context,

maybe not, given the unique history of the n-word. But the r-word should definitely be weighted. It is an offensive term. Perhaps not as offensive as the n-word, but it is offensive.

Yes, but does it fall under the blanket of “Breaking the following rules will result in an immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning: slurs […] aren’t tolerated under any circumstances.”?

I feel that what words apply to that rule are a bit too ambiguous to attach such a heavy penalty equally to all the words that could possibly be included. The rule needs to be clarified or outlined or something since people are wanting mods to hold fast and dear to it.

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

I guess I just don’t understand what any of you are trying to accomplish. Talk to the people you like and ignore the ones you don’t. Everyone has different ideas of what is proper and decent, and everyone is offended by different things. If they attack another poster, then it becomes a problem.

The r-word should not be allowed on this site. Period, end of story.

Well, okay then. I knew some people were offended but I didn’t know it would provoke such a heated response.

DominicCobb said:

NFBisms said:

I like discussing with people who think differently than I do about it, tbh.

Same, although sometimes it feels like you talking to a brick wall.

Agreed.

See, I don’t know. When you report a post, maybe it puts the contents of that post in another Reported-Posts place somewhere, so Jay could react to that post without reading the actual thread and being spoiled by it.

I don’t really remember all that was said, nor do I want to go back and look at it, but I really don’t think R should be weighted the same as N, given a certain context, so arguing that comparison feels fallacious to me.

Maybe the other mods haven’t said something because they’re waiting for Jay to say something and Jay isn’t going to because he hasn’t read the Spoiler thread yet because he hasn’t watched the movie yet.

I think what really ought to happen is a mod needs to come in here and explain the whole situation.

That will stop us from speculating. And that’s supposedly what this thread is for.

JEDIT: Ninja’d…

yhwx said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Not giving warnings in public encourages speculation about the reason for bans, so I don’t think that’s how it should be handled. Also, people need to know what kind of behaviour others get warned for, so that they won’t do the same.

It also doesn’t help how nobody has clarified the situation yet.

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Also, you neglect to mention the fact that someone else broke a rule, which according to Jay’s rules, is punishable by an permanent and immediate ban with no prior warning.

I thought we already discussed that some people may not necessarily consider it a slur when applied abstractly or not directed at a real person.

So, calling Finn the n-word is fine, as he’s only a character, not a real person?

-.-

We already had that discussion. I’m not being dragged into it again.

All I’m saying is that we don’t have enough information to get bent out of shape and assume it was unfair and unequal treatment. There may have been PMs exchanged between Frink and the mods, and regarding more than that incident. Just because the warnings weren’t public doesn’t mean they weren’t given.

But sure, it also could have been a knee-jerk reaction on Jay’s part since Jay was the one who banned him and then bitched about it, when he didn’t have to get involved at all since it was the Spoiler thread.

yhwx said:

Also, you neglect to mention the fact that someone else broke a rule, which according to Jay’s rules, is punishable by an permanent and immediate ban with no prior warning.

I thought we already discussed that some people may not necessarily consider it a slur when applied abstractly or not directed at a real person.