chyron8472

Collipso said:

Matt.F said:

Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.

It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.

Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”.

But there is gravity. They are near a planet. Objects in orbit of planets still experience gravity. That’s why they orbit. Also, saying “no gravity” assumes there is no artificial gravity on the lower part of the ship that gives way to inertia once the bombs leave it; or that the bombs aren’t being ejected by some mechanism.

Porkins4real said:

NFBisms said:

Racer Cool said:

NFBisms said:

I think disliking TLJ and not thinking its direction was worth taking is totally valid. Those against it and its Luke are only judging it in the context of their own personal perceptions of what the franchise has been to them and should continue being. There’s probably something to be said - positive or negative - about how Johnson opted to double down on a specific interpretation of the world, rather than keep it broad enough for everyone to appreciate.

No, that’s not quite right. We are judging it in context of what has come before. Meaning, what has already been developed over an entire trilogy concerning the character of Luke. Luke was “the new hope”. The whole point of the original trilogy was that good can overcome evil, primarily by taking the high ground, being patient, facing ones fears, sacrificing self, and ultimately by redemption. Against all advice and conventional wisdom, Luke persisted in his mission to save his father, and therefore destroy the Sith. He proved that he was right, and he succeeded, sacrificing himself in the process. (He didn’t actually end up dying, but he was willing to do that and nearly did). Same thing for running across the galaxy to save his friends.

But suddenly, with no real transition, here’s Luke abandoning his friends (and his own family!) when they’re struggling in a fighting retreat against the new bad guys, and on top of it he even tries to kill his own nephew, in his sleep, because he sensed darkness within him. Darkness…? Within a young Skywalker…? Say it ain’t so!

…um…Luke, have you completely forgotten everything you’ve done, seen, and learned…? Did Palpatine’s lighting assault actually fry your brain?

In no way does this make any sense at all, and goes against everything Lucas and company worked hard to develop in the entire OT. So yes, with respect, we’re stuck in our established perceptions of who Luke is and should be. Maybe, as I said, if there was some transition that shows us why Luke would veer so far off course (it won’t be sudden because radical changes like that are a process), then maybe it could be accepted. But as it is, it makes no sense at all. Even the Prequel Trilogy took three films to show a slow corruption of Anakin, and his ultimate fall.

This times 12 parsecs!

“Less than 12.”
— my brain, every time I hear Old Han say “twelve!” in TFA.

Mrebo said:

I see a possible super hero trope at work here but I’m withholding judgment: where a villain arises essentially as a response to the existence of the hero (we did see that debate sort of in Captain America Civil War, and we’ve seen it in the DC universe).

Actually, Snoke outright says the reverse: that the hero arose essentially as a response to the existence of a villain. So yes. But why? Why does it matter whether that’s a trope of MCU?

I do not understand the comparisons people are making to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Yes, I know Disney owns both Marvel and LFL. But I have only seen a few Marvel superhero movies (I liked them) and I don’t understand what they have in common with The Last Jedi or possible Star Wars films going forward.

Will someone please explain what the MCU has to do with Star Wars and/or why that’s bad?

dahmage said:

ElectroDroid said:

Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian, but RJ decided that Lando wouldn’t outright betray the heroes.

source?

https://theplaylist.net/star-wars-lando-calrissian-absence-20171219/

"Of course I’d love to see Lando,” Johnson said. “In terms of Lando, I briefly considered — would he work in the Benicio [del Toro] part, [DJ].” If you’ve seen the movie you know DJ is the morally ambiguous hacker/codebreaker who helps and betrays Finn and Rose within the span of a few hours, helping them escape prison on Canto Bight, but then selling them out to the Imperial First Order forces when the first opportunity presents itself.

“I don’t think you would ever buy that Lando would just completely betray the characters like that and have that level of moral ambiguity,” Johnson explained. “Cause we love Lando and you’d come into it with that [expectation]. And also, DJ, the character that they met, for the purposes of Finn’s character, had to be a morally ambiguous character that you’re not sure about, that you’re guessing about, and we already know that we love the character of Lando so it just wouldn’t have played in that part story wise.”

“You have to write organically,” Johnson said. “Otherwise it leads to contrived places. Which is just to say it’s all about the needs of the story and there’s only so much room on the table for… favorite characters to be in the movie.”

Plex Media Server has FINALLY started using inline Collections.

Again, I say rejoice!

 
At least one feature request for it on their support forum is four years old, and that thread alone has over a thousand likes, so it’s about got-dang time.

Handman said:

I guess I should rephrase, no one responds to me anymore.

I will respond to this so as not to show no one responded to it.

I don’t know what to say, but I will respond.

SilverWook said:

https://geektyrant.com/news/stunning-fan-trailer-for-the-star-wars-brings-ralph-mcquarries-vision-of-the-film-to-life

Is it mc-kWAHRry, mc-kWORE-y or mc-kWEARy?

TV’s Frink said:

To be clear, I don’t enjoy that people were disappointed in the movie. I enjoy the extreme overreactions.

Just please do not feed the trolls.

Warbler said:

joefavs said:

This is the first time in my 28 years that I’ve even seen it suggested that Luke could’ve been doing anything other than choking the guards. I had no idea there was any disagreement at all about that.

This is the first time in the 34 years since the movie came out that I have heard he was force choking the guards. I must have watched ROTJ millions of times and never got that idea.

How could you not have known this? They very obviously clutch at their throats. And it is an example of how Luke is getting closer to turning to the Dark Side.

ray_afraid said:

TV’s Frink said:

In a galaxy far far away, marijuana is just porg blood.

What I read.

Freudian slip?

ray_afraid said:

Vader told Luke he was his father and he was not lying.
Kylo told Rey that her father was nobody and I’m sure he is lying.
It fits the “what you expect but then opposite” thing they have goin’ on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoJOAbAsRM&t=6s

Mike O said:

I’ve had amazingly good luck at my AMC over the years.

^

YoungJaaron said:

My only problem with waiting is that it may not finish downloading in time.
I would like all 6 to be done by January 6th.

January 6th is Saturday next week. They should definitely be done by then. Probably well before.

Or you could try to stop being an opinionated jerk and let people like what they like without giving them guff about it.

Also, you could post a random gif and get back on topic.

Frank your Majesty said:

Just because something in the PT doesn’t directly contradict the OT doesn’t mean it isn’t a bad idea. Being basically a bunch of idots, the main characters aren’t really compelling, so it doesn’t make for a very enjoyable movie.

I’m not saying the PT wasn’t poorly written, in my opinion. I’m saying the idea of casting the Jedi Order as idiots for getting blindsided by Palpatine can make sense in context with the OT; and that it is not a plothole big enough for someone to not find enough enjoyment in it to rank ROTS higher than another non-prequel film.

JEDIT: For the record, I do not rank it higher than any non-prequel film.

Yes, but all I’m saying is that while the PT paints the Jedi Order to be idiots, that there is evidence one can glean from the OT, without using the PT, that can support that argument.

One can ignore the PT and color the Old Republic Jedi Knights how Ben Kenobi colors them, but one is also not required to take Kenobi at his word and assume he doesn’t have rose-tinted glasses for them by also assuming their downfall was not in part of their own making.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

They were idiots. That’s why they were killed. They were stupid enough to allow themselves to be hunted down and killed by the Empire. And that’s all just relying on information from the OT.

The only thing that the OT says is they were hunted down and killed. It says nothing about them being idiots.

One can infer that they were idiots for not sensing betrayal until it was too late, by using evidence from the OT. Their betrayal happened quickly enough that Anakin had children which Obi-Wan knew about but Vader did not. Obi-Wan and Yoda in ANH and ESB have great power, and yet the Jedi Knights—Obi-Wan and Yoda included—were there to see these dark events unfold but be unable to do anything to stop them, despite their powers of persuasion, perception, distraction, et al… The Jedi Knights are painted in a retrospectively-positive light because Ben Kenobi tells us about them, and he has positive feelings for them. That doesn’t make them actually as wise as he remembers them to be.

ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:

I now have to maintain my own head canon that won’t gell with other family and friends I go to talk about it with that don’t see it as I do

I’ve been in that situation since 1997. You’ll get used to it.

This. Although I like the ST for the most part, I can’t talk to anyone I know IRL except my wife about the Despecialized Editions or Prequel Fanedits. When I explain just how much “Jedi Rocks” ruins ROTJ for me, they’re like “oh yeah, that was stupid” and that’s it. They are disinterested in talking further outside of calling me “purist” about the OT.

But that is why they were destroyed. They were complacent and couldn’t see the plot developing right under their noses. The OT establishes that Anakin himself was there before the Empire was established–putting a timeline on when the Empire was formed, and which means the Jedi allowed the political climate to shift specifically in Palpatine’s favor without stopping him.

They were idiots. That’s why they were killed. They were stupid enough to allow themselves to be hunted down and killed by the Empire. And that’s all just relying on information from the OT.

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

nhoj3 said:

[dahmage said:

I really agree with your dislike of the dark and gritty DCEU, but i am perplexed that you would lump this with those (hyperbole aside). Luke is shown as ‘not perfect’ and struggling with how to exist as a perfect legend, and a flawed human. And i feel like he resolves this by the end of the film, so I didn’t come away feeling that he was flawed when i left the theater.

JJ / TFA set RJ up with a difficult question to answer: Why would Luke go missing for all of this time? RJ came up with the best answer he felt that he could… that Luke felt compelled to take himself (and the Jedi) out of the equation, leaving the Knights of Ren to run amok.

That just doesn’t ring true to the character for me.

But… but it’s what Ben Kenobi and Yoda did.

Ben Kenobi and Yoda did not themselves attempt to defeat Vader and Palpatine after the events of Episode III, even though Yoda himself says “only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally could conquer Vader and his Emperor.” They left Luke and the Rebel Alliance to do it for them.

Exactly right.

I continue to be amazed how many people are holding the ST to a different standard than the OT.

It’s also frustrating that people say Luke being anything less than perfect (i.e. one moment of weakness that quickly passes) is “out of character.” Did he not have a moment of weakness in ROTJ as well?

Not exactly right.

Obi-Wan and Yoda were forced into hiding by the ruling government, whereas Luke chose to go into hiding and die, while the Republic still controlled most of the galaxy. The moment the Rebel Alliance had a fighting chance, after their first victory stealing the Death Star plans, Bail Organa asked Obi-Wan’s help, and Obi-Wan didn’t hesitate to do so, unlike Luke. Luke refused to help even in the Resistance’s most desparate hour.

The OT makes it pretty clear that Obi-Wan can sneak around all he wants on a heavily-fortified Imperial battlestation if he so chooses, and that Yoda does not need a message from a droid to know what people are up to across the galaxy.

They went into hiding because they chose to, not because they were not forced to. Sure, they needed to back off and regroup right after the Emperor established power, but they weren’t forced to wait 25 years to cut the snake off at the head. The senate was still intact for the most part right up until the events of Star Wars, and they waited until the political climate had shifted entirely in the Emperor’s favor before they acted—and then only by proxy.

And Yoda even threatened to not train Luke because Luke was too old, too reckless, and too clouded with dreams of adventure and excitement.

TV’s Frink said:

It’s also frustrating that people say Luke being anything less than perfect (i.e. one moment of weakness that quickly passes) is “out of character.” Did he not have a moment of weakness in ROTJ as well?

I also thought the fact that Luke wears white in SW, grey in ESB, and black in ROTJ was a thing that was indicative of his character getting progressively closer to the turning to the Dark Side, until he defies the Emperor at the final moment—after beating the crap out of Vader in a moment of rage. That compulsion he feels toward the Dark Side isn’t just going to go away now that he’s a Jedi.

He reacted to Ben Solo in a moment of fear and rage, same as he did when Vader threatened Leia.

nhoj3 said:

[dahmage said:

I really agree with your dislike of the dark and gritty DCEU, but i am perplexed that you would lump this with those (hyperbole aside). Luke is shown as ‘not perfect’ and struggling with how to exist as a perfect legend, and a flawed human. And i feel like he resolves this by the end of the film, so I didn’t come away feeling that he was flawed when i left the theater.

JJ / TFA set RJ up with a difficult question to answer: Why would Luke go missing for all of this time? RJ came up with the best answer he felt that he could… that Luke felt compelled to take himself (and the Jedi) out of the equation, leaving the Knights of Ren to run amok.

That just doesn’t ring true to the character for me.

But… but it’s what Ben Kenobi and Yoda did.

Ben Kenobi and Yoda did not themselves attempt to defeat Vader and Palpatine after the events of Episode III, even though Yoda himself says “only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally could conquer Vader and his Emperor.” They left Luke and the Rebel Alliance to do it for them.