chyron8472

As opposed to keeping the government shut down?

dahmage said:

ChainsawAsh said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve never once heard of anyone reading pdfs for non academic reasons.

I’m a QA lab tech. I read PDFs all the time.

Now we care if you try to read PDFs on eBook readers.

I’m just saying this as someone who has a small library of ebooks, and who has had to convert a number of ebooks or fanfictions from PDF. It’s annoying and the formatting frequently gets all out of whack.

But my office has plenty of fillable forms and such that we submit electronically, and the majority of them are PDF. I’m the one who is responsible for updating them when a new version is available or correcting them when they need to be adjusted.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve never once heard of anyone reading pdfs for non academic reasons.

Do you know anyone who works?

Not with pdfs

I do. My office works with PDFs all the time. In fact, I’ve become quite adept at mucking about with them.

But anyone who uses PDFs for reading text-only eBooks, whether reading them directly or converting to ePub/MOBI/AZW3 from them, is making a horrible mistake. The primary purpose of PDF is to ensure that the layout on the screen is precisely what will appear when printed on paper.

Using PDF for text that should be reflowable (ie. adjusts when the margins or font size is changed) is several kinds of awful. Kovid Goyal, the lead developer of the Calibre eBook Management software, has complained at length about how the problems Calibre has with converting from PDF are directly related to the super clunky way text in PDFs is coded.

https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html#convert-pdf-documents

I just completed Shantae: Half-Genie Hero on Normal Mode with 100% item get. Now I’m playing the “Pirate Queen’s Quest” DLC as the antagonist, Risky Boots.

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

This.

Luke Skywalker is not Santa Claus.

He doesn’t have to be the larger-than-life legend that we’d made him out to be, and it would make sense that he still fights some element of the same personal struggles he had when he was younger.

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t care about the metaphor. He said he won’t watch any new Star Wars until we get the OOT.

But we did get the OOT. Just not in a purchasable form from official sources.

I don’t see how the argument of not having the OOT yet makes sense at this point, given that the “guerilla restorationist” himself even actively posts on these forums.

SilverWook said:

darth_ender said:

yhwx said:

Even if you discount all the stuff about abortion, Mike Pence is a massive dick. And a weirdo. For God’s sake, he calls his wife “Mother.”

Heaven forbid! Probably watches MLP too!

Not saying he’s a stellar individual, but come on!

As we have MLP fans around here, that could be misinterpreted as a cheap shot at a forum member.

TV’s Frink said:

I’m pretty sure that was a post in support of chyron rather than a shot at him.

That is how I took it. _ender’s use of sarcasm did not escape me.

In any case, you guys don’t have to walk on eggshells around here for my sake. Even if cheap shots are made, I’d be likely to just meme at you or something. It’s continual shots or dogpiles that rile me up.

TV’s Frink said:

If you think Rian Johnson or Disney or Star Wars hates you or ruined your life or ruined everything that came before it (especially the OT), then you’re being ridiculous.

True.

Unless one is simply being hyperbolic, which I had assumed was the case for ExNihilo but admittedly is often not so for a great many trolls who visit here.

TV’s Frink said:

ExNihilo said:

How many times can you tell me you hate me before I believe it?
Am I in an abusive relationship with Star Wars?

1. Star Wars doesn’t hate you, that’s your subjective perception.

Yes. And perception of reality is not unimportant. One’s perception informs their feelings and decisions, which can affect actual objective events. They are not obligated to alter their perception just because you would have them do so.

2. Please don’t use the phrase “abusive relationship” to describe something as trivial as a movie.

I’m certain that was tongue in cheek. And it’s not just a movie, it’s an experience. To relegate the experience, the entity that is Star Wars as “just a movie” is to cheapen people’s feelings or desires for it. One might as well wonder why this website even exists, given that the original Original Trilogy are “just movies.”

ElectroDroid said:

This is just a nitpick, but did it bother anyone how the artillery fire was arcing like a cannonball? I thought that was dumb.

What artillery fire?

ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

One can easily buy the original broadcast version TNG episodes though.

And let’s be real, upscaled shots of the original VFX alongside new HD scans of non-effects shots would look like complete garbage.

So a 4K upscale of AOTC would look like garbage?

Warbler said:

I am not sure how to answer that.

Give it a think. I created the thread to ask that specific question.

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

You also have said if a movie is canon and its novelization is canon (or vice versa), and dialogue in one is not the same as the other, then which one ought to be canon? So I want to know which one you would consider canon and why, or whether it matters to you and why not if it doesn’t.

I think someone in another thread said that those in charge said that where the book and movie differ, the movie takes precedence.

I would think the original work takes precedence. That is, the Star Wars movies trump the books; but the Harry Potter books trump the movies.

Warbler said:

I’m sure what you want me to say.

I’m not calling on you to confirm your point about TLJ. I want to know why you feel that way about it.

It’s not just TLJ. You felt that way about Star Trek. You said that you felt ST’09 overwrote Trek Prime a la BTTF, and argued that because the term “alternate timeline” was used in the film itself, the “multiple quantum realities” aspect of Trek did not apply.

I’m not saying I want to prove you wrong. I want to know why you feel that way about it.

 
You also have said if a movie is canon and its novelization is canon (or vice versa), and dialogue in one is not the same as the other, then which one ought to be canon? So I want to know which one you would consider canon and why, or whether it matters to you and why not if it doesn’t.

You seem really set on your opinion of it and I’m genuinely interested in why you feel the way you do about a specific work needing to fully explain itself, rather than accepting supplemental sources (including discussions with us) to explain an ambiguity or whatever the case. I’m not telling you that you shouldn’t; I want to know why you do or what your thought process is.

Again, I’m not calling on you to defend your views, nor am I refuting them. I want to know what it is about your thought process that draws you to the conclusions that you make, especially since you’re very adamant about those conclusions.

For example:

Warbler said:

Supplemental explanations from unofficial sources don’t excuse a plot holes or continuity errors in movies.

Why not?

unlike Star Trek books, Star Wars books are officially considered canon. So I guess explanations in them do count.

But why does official canon matter to you? Why do you care? I don’t say you shouldn’t; I ask why you do.

I didn’t see it on first viewing. My wife did and she told me. So the second time, I knew it was coming and yet I still missed seeing it when it happened.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

paja said:

Hey, you wanna buy some deathsticks?

Go home and rethink your life.

I’ve always wondered if you’d ever seen Star Wars because I’d never seen you talk about it or mention it until recently when you said you saw TLJ.

Of course I’ve seen Star Wars!

Are you saying you’ve seen Star Wars, or you’ve seen Star Wars?

😉

Star Wars is the only franchise where my head canon has replaced official releases with fan edits (ie. the Prequels). Other franchises might have fan edits, but they’re basically an alternate cut and don’t affect (for good or ill) my feelings on their respective franchise. With the Star Wars Prequels, I can not include the official versions as the actual events, but certain edits I have seen are good enough to make the stories plausible.

For everything else, I usually include everything, be it movies, shows or books. For example, with regard to Star Trek, I don’t pretend that Star Trek V: The Final Frontier didn’t happen. I just say it’s a stupid movie, never watch it, and leave it at that.

Mocata said:

In ESB Despecialized the speeders on Hoth look far grainier than they did in the SE version, but how could that be? Is this just a result of recomping the effects?

I imagine film grain was added because the Blurays are the primary source for Despecialized, to overcome the Digital Noise Reduction (DNR) applied to them.

jollyreaper said:

to characterize a difference of opinion as a willful obstinance is a bit much.

Probably.

My wife’s brother has an attitude of focusing a lot on the nitpicks of a film, and he complains about them a lot even if he likes it. I figure he would like more movies if he wasn’t so negative about them.

You’re probably not doing that, but his doing that colors my view when people vehemently complain about something I like or want to like.

Mithrandir said:

DominicCobb said:

Mithrandir said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.

It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.

But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.

I think you’re misinterpreting that Yoda quote and those characters’ journeys.

Care to elaborate more? I’m interested in all the takes on this.

First of all it must be said that we don’t know the full story behind Snoke turning Ben to the dark. But we see the power he possesses as Kylo Ren, which is far more than anything Rey does (freeze blaster bolts, people, reads their minds, etc.). If he wanted a quick and easy way besides Luke’s training regimen to unlock some crazy powers, the dark side gave him that way. Important to note too that the dark side uses pain as a fuel.

The thing is though that when Yoda said that he was referring to Luke’s situation, and though people compare Rey to Luke their journeys are actually completely different. Luke wanted to learn the force and become a Jedi like his father. To do that he had to face Vader. The quick and easy way to defeat Vader is by using anger and hate. Like almost does this, but resists. That’s the moment he truly becomes a Jedi, when he’s able to move beyond the temptation to the dark that consumed his father and cast his weapon aside.

Rey’s story is simply not analogous. The temptation to the dark for her is just not the same. She never says that she wants to become a Jedi and learn the force. The force has always been there for her (we see it in her reflexes even before she touches the saber, just like Anakin). What she desires is connection, and for someone to show her her place . It’s not about learning how to use the force, it’s about learning in what way to use it, to what end. When Luke goes into the cave, he sees his ultimate challenge, just like Rey. But for Rey, it’s not a literal physical challenge, it’s an emotional one. The quicker and easier path for her isn’t about achieving power in the force, it’s about finding someone to guide her. When Kylo offers his hand, that’s the quick and easy path. He’s saying “come with me, I can show you your place in this.” It’s right there for her, a teacher, but it’s also companionship. But instead she chooses the hard way - to say no and to forge her own path, scary as that may be.

I hope that makes sense.

I bookmarked this. Great stuff.

I’m definitely going to use it later in conversation with people I know irl.

The only thing I’d argue about DC’s analysis is that reading minds is not necessarily a dark side ability. Luke is shown to perform it on a sleeping Kylo when he “finds out” about the darkness in his mind.

First of all, I’m not 100% certain it is a dark side power (though it feels very creepy and invasive so probably), I was just saying that we see Kylo Ren has amassed great power in the force, and we assume from the dark side.

Second, that’s not really what Luke does, he sees Ben’s heart, which I imagine is a more opaque image, and then he has a vision of the future.

he seems to be doing the same movement Kylo does when he checks someone’s cell phone

I don’t know what that means.

I wanted to make this thread because of discussions about the importance of holding strictly to official canon (what the studio decides is canon), official series canon (canon across a film or TV series that only includes said films or episodes), individual film canon (overt explanations a single film gives about itself), or head canon (what you the viewer decide is canon).

Basically how you feel about including or excluding supplemental explanations or information—outside of a given movie/episode, series, or franchise—to explain how or why certain events make sense.

 
This thread was brought about because Warbler has had issues with certain scenes in TLJ and whether or not they overtly make sense in context with the rest of the franchise; and he also took issue with whether the Star Trek '09 film, by itself, effectively erased the Star Trek Prime Universe.

I’m interested in talking about the concept of canon and our positions regarding it, not arguing endlessly about specific scenes in specific films (although using specific films as examples is fine.)

Spoiler tag that please. There are TLJ spoilers galore in that post.

And we’ve already discussed many of those points at length in the TLJ discussion threads about why they do actually make sense. But you don’t have to like the film, so if you don’t want to have them makes sense then you don’t have to.

Collipso said:

chyron8472 said:

Shopping Maul said:

chyron8472 said:

Shopping Maul said:

adywan said:

Valheru_84 said:

All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.

Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.

Val

Yoda was joking around even when he was dying in ROTJ. He always had a jovial side. Something the PT completely got rid of with grumpy frowning Yoda. TLJ Yoda was the same Yoda we see in the OT.

And OT Force ghosts could interact physically with the real world, so why can’t they also use the force? Or is it just because it’s been introduced in the ST that’s the problem?

I don’t recall any physical interaction in the OT (apart from Obi Wan’s ludicrous ‘sitting on log’ scene which doesn’t really count IMO). The issue is the fact that ghost-Obi Wan made it plain he could not assist Luke in fighting Vader. This means either a) force-ghosts can’t interact or b) force-ghosts are jerks.

Maybe, as a Jedi, Ben Kenobi feels it is appropriate to let Luke face his own battles rather than directly interfering. To do so would disrupt Luke’s journey toward becoming a Jedi because it could turn Luke into a noob by relying on Ben to solve Luke’s problems.

That is, Ben could interfere, but chooses not to because it is inappropriate in order for Luke to forge his own path correctly. When Ben says “I can not interfere”, he’s referring to a moral code rather than a physical limitation.

I think there’s a nice simplicity to the idea of force-ghosts as personal guides only. Giving them discretionary physicality muddies the waters somewhat (as evidenced by this thread).

because neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda use them.

That would naturally lead one to believe that they can’t do anything, don’t you think?

Can’t tell if serious or sarcastic.

 
One might even make a comparison between Star Wars’ force-ghosts and Stargate SG-1’s ascended Ancients. The Ancients are capable of extraordinary power over the “lower planes”—but they don’t use them, and they don’t let other ascended use them, because they feel to do so disrupts the natural evolution of said lower planes and it opens the door to ascended beings being straight up worshipped.

It’s quite possible that, as a being of The Force itself, one is not only given physical power but also knowledge and understanding of the nature of the universe itself, and of time and destiny. So maybe, as force-ghosts, they understand that there is more to the universe than who currently controls that particular galaxy’s government. A bigger picture, if you will, and so they leave beings of the physical plane to work it out for themselves.

And you have no way of knowing that the force-ghosts couldn’t already foresee Vader making the decision he did before he made it, or knowing that Luke would not ultimately be killed. They have a different perspective, so there’s no way to be certain whether or not they didn’t intervene in that moment of Luke being electrocuted because they knew they didn’t need to.