chyron8472

DuracellEnergizer said:

all one has to give are gibes, then fup

Collipso said:

coffee i hope your dad figures it all out so that it stops being hurtful to you and your family.

Yeah coffee, and I also hope it doesn’t hurt your relationship with God.

After coming into the forum from a weekend off and reading through the past several pages…

TV’s Frink said:

What’s the point explaining something you guys either can’t or won’t understand?

Basically this, for the whole conversation about marriage and fulfillment in close long-term relationships.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I always get a little annoyed when people imply that political angles of books are inherently bad. Unless the politics of a work of art are totally reprehensible I enjoy it. A lot of people complained about Black Panther being political, but isn’t that a good thing that they had a deeper story as opposed to the usual Marvel formula?

I think the politics they’re talking about are more like the boring Senate procedure stuff in TPM. Could be wrong though.

Oh, okay, that’s a little different. I think of that as just boring writing rather than “bad politics”.

Yes. No, I’m not saying politics in a story is inherently bad. I read Star Wars: Bloodline at one point, which is a story about Leia between ROTJ and TFA. She was part of the senate of the New Republic at the time, and the story, in part, explored her activities as a senator. That book was not boring. Nor was Fire and Fury (the book about Trump.)

I’m not saying politics in a story is objectively bad. I’m saying it may be subjectively unenjoyable for me, but likely also due to how it’s written.

 
JEDIT:

ChainsawAsh said:

chyron8472 said:

It’s not that I dislike science fiction. Ender’s Game is science fiction and I love that.

I guess wasn’t interested in the politics of Dune. Which… as I look at the synopsis on Wiki, seems to be much of the story. There are also a bunch of names and terms, and it was difficult for me to follow.

Granted I was listening and not reading so maybe reading it would have made things easier to track, but my wife said she had difficulty getting into it when she read it.

I would have kept listening had she not said anything, but I still don’t think I would have enjoyed it.

Politics are an aspect of [Dune], but it is (or at least becomes) more an exploration of the philosophical and ethical ramifications of having power than actual politics, if that makes sense.

Also, this summarization does not sound interesting to me at all.

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not what I meant. I meant people should not play weird mind games and lie to each other for the first several months or years of their relationship.

Honestly, you generalize too damn much. You’re starting to sound like a parody of yourself.

Isn’t the whole point of dating to trick someone into thinking you’re more likable than you actually are? I’m just being brutally honest, at least that’s how I see my comments.

Unless you’re telepathic, you’ll never know how anyone beyond yourself approaches dating.

People act differently when they’re on dates.

Maybe?

They make themselves look nicer than they usually look

Yes.

they act nicer than they usually act,

Maybe?

and it’s all a big game.

No. When you date someone, you’re trying to make friends. If some stranger doesn’t know you and you’re trying to become their friend, you should obviously try to be the kind of person whom they would like to be friends with. If one can’t help but be an annoying shit to anyone and everyone one meets, then it’s no surprise that the only people who would befriend such a person are people who like hanging around annoying shits.

Also, when you’re looking for a date, you’re also looking for a potential mate and parent to your children. If a person has certain values they want for their kids, they probably wouldn’t want someone who doesn’t have those values. But you have to get to know people to decide whether or not they have them.

The alternative to dating (besides not dating) is arranged marriage, where your family decides for you.

It’s not that I dislike science fiction. Ender’s Game is science fiction and I love that.

I guess wasn’t interested in the politics of Dune. Which… as I look at the synopsis on Wiki, seems to be much of the story. There are also a bunch of names and terms, and it was difficult for me to follow.

Granted I was listening and not reading so maybe reading it would have made things easier to track, but my wife said she had difficulty getting into it when she read it.

I would have kept listening had she not said anything, but I still don’t think I would have enjoyed it.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I think it’s safe to say I’m a Celtophile. I just love Celtic culture. And language. And women.

SilverWook said:

LOL! I never thought of Voyager as Gilligan’s Island before. Mind blown! Must ponder which Voyager characters have a castaway counterpart…

Harry is Gilligan
Janeway is the Skipper
The Doctor is the Professor
Tom and B’elanna are Mr. and Mrs. Howell
Seven is Ginger
Neelix is Mary Ann

paja said:

chyron8472 said:
but the audiobooks have lots of annoying singing by Rob Inglis.

Now if only It was Rob Zombie. Now that would be awesome!

*cue Superbeast sung by the Balrog*

"Hey yeah, I’m the one that you wanted! Hey yeah, I’m a superbeast!.."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHBtpqbOKXk&t=38s

Dune is split up into 3 “books”. I told my wife I was getting to the end of book 1 but still didn’t know what was going on, or who these people are, or why I should care. She said she remembered reading Dune once upon a time and couldn’t get into it, and suggested I stop reading it. So I did.

JEDIT: War and Peace is such more interesting, coming back to it after the confusing snoozefest that was Dune.

Possessed said:

I’m too lazy to keep

chyron8472 said:

Continuing my thought re: immigration: In my opinion, we have laws for a reason, and we should make use of them and enforce them. We should not overlook people breaking immigration laws because they’re in a bad spot or because they do jobs we don’t want to do; and we should not have lax gun laws because “criminals don’t obey them anyway.”

CatBus said:

We have what I’d call a “nod-and-wink” economy regarding undocumented workers, basically meaning we have two labor markets. We have one above-board market where workers have protections, safety regulations, legal recourse, and so on. And we have another market where workers have none of those things.

Well, we’re certainly not going to establish laws that overtly create second-class citizens (or second-class because-they’re-not-citizens). Just to begin with, the Declaration of Independence itself says “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

Also it would be a political nightmare.

DominicCobb said:

I didn’t feel it.

Do you make it a habit of feeling SW’s feral ball?

dahmage said:

Goodbye grey sky, hello blue,
there’s nothing can hold me when I hold you.
feels so right you can’t be wrong,
rockin’ and rollin’ all week long.

I felt that if I hadn’t reported him, I would be validating it. If he didn’t want to risk people reporting him, he shouldn’t insist on cash. Let him take up the ethical violations with the IRS.

SilverWook said:

Did you suspect the guy you paid to fix your fence because of how his employees looked, or because of the check thing?

The guy who actually fixed the fence was Hispanic, and that’s fine. It was the check.

I didn’t have my check book right there. My wife had it in her purse. She wrote a check; I gave it to the employer; and he said I needed to make it out to cash. I looked at my wife and asked her to write another check, and she glared at me like that was annoying. So I’m standing there between my wife who is not happy and the guy who isn’t accepting the check made out to his business. It was an awkward spot and he knew it. So I reported him because he’s making me go out of my way to make sure he, or his employee, doesn’t have to pay taxes.

Continuing my thought re: immigration: In my opinion, we have laws for a reason, and we should make use of them and enforce them. We should not overlook people breaking immigration laws because they’re in a bad spot or because they do jobs we don’t want to do; and we should not have lax gun laws because “criminals don’t obey them anyway.”

Mrebo said:

chyron, I thought you were on the liberal side?

I am a Democrat, but I am moderate. I liked Obama a lot and Obama is not a liberal. I liked Bernie as a person—I thought he was refreshingly honest and genuine, but his ideas were too pie-in-the-sky.

Was it the fact you made a check out to cash that inspired moral panic?

It was not moral panic. It just didn’t feel right, and yes. Had I not had to re-make the check out to cash (which was obviously inconvenient at the time), I wouldn’t have done anything. Requiring a customer to use cash—only cash, is an indication that you’re trying to avoid paying taxes. My parents told me that, after they had a maid service clean their house once upon a time and the person insisted on cash. They said they wouldn’t hire her after that.

Do you support laws that make it difficult for illegal aliens to work in the US?

I had to think about it after you asked this, but yes. The fact that they do work that other people don’t want to do, and for less money, is not an excuse. If we have a problem that they conveniently fill, the fact that they fill it doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. Generally, I would prefer the problem (of jobs no one wants to do for the meager money offered) was more obvious so we would be more inclined to fix it.

I think we should make it easier to legally become a citizen, rather than overlook people’s legal citizenship (or lack thereof) because their circumstances are bad.

 
I know by heart The New Colossus poem written at the base of the Statue of Liberty (“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”), and I agree with the sentiment. But I think proper channels should be used. That is, open the flood gate wider to let more water out; don’t just ignore the cracks in the dam.

 
With all that said, sending the Guard to do the Border Patrol’s job is a foolish waste of resources. JEDIT: As is building Trump’s wall.

I feel bad for the employee’s situation being undocumented, but I don’t feel bad for the company since they’re likely taking advantage of such people and also not reporting undocumented employees on their taxes. It’s not like some middle/high school kid who does yard work for some extra cash.

On the topic of illegal immigration, a couple of years ago someone came by my house and offered to repair warped slats in my fence. The price was super inexpensive compared to hiring Jenks Fence (who built it), so we agreed. Here’s the thing, though. I didn’t have cash on me, so I wrote a check to the company on his business card. The guy in charge then said he couldn’t take it but needed me to write the check out to “Cash” instead of to his company. I didn’t like doing that, but went ahead and did so.

…And later I went online to the BBB, FTC, and ICE websites and reported his company for employing undocumented workers (which it appeared that his employee probably was, especially given the behavior about the check). I don’t feel at all bad for doing so.

moviefreakedmind said:

Kids annoy the hell out of me, but they actually tend to be slightly less stupid than most adults.

Many adults think kids are stupid, but the reality is that kids are mainly just inexperienced or uninformed. Certainly they usually have a lack of foresight, but again that comes with time and experience. Now, granted the capabilities of children vary from child to child, but that’s actually more about people in general than about children.

Many (most?) adults are just more experienced extensions of who they were as children. It’s why politicians are whiny, self-important, and arrogant; and why people are yet still gullible enough to vote for Trump. It’s not that children are foolish, it’s that people are and many don’t learn to stop.

accidental dooble pawst.

I’ll go for #6:

CatBus said:

6. What’s an Oppo?

But in any case, I don’t use physical media players much these days anyways.

SilverWook said:

Yeah, these things don’t have to built like Laserdisc players or a VCR even. I lament current players tend to look really generic and ugly these days. If you took the names off, could you tell who made it?

You can if the player is a game console. 😉

But anyway, that HDDVD player is enormous. So footprint. Very waste.

Dek Rollins said:

chyron8472 said:

Dek Rollins said:

chyron8472 said:

Dek Rollins said:

Actually that’s just false. There are plenty of dangerous people who cross the border illegally, just like there are dangerous people in country legally. Dangerous people and non-dangerous people sneaking through are not mutually exclusive.

There are dangerous people. Period. Whether or not a few of them exist in a group that crosses the border has little point. We already have lots of dangerous people in this country who were born in this country. It’s paranoia to single out illegal immigrants as some sort of significant threat worthy of mobilizing armed forces. As though there isn’t something better the Guard could be doing.

You just admitted that what you said was false

I did? Which part of what I said?

You said that there are dangerous people, period

Yes. There are dangerous people everywhere. That doesn’t make the people crossing the border dangerous, much less more dangerous than people who are already here.

Citation also needed for it being false.

Your original statement was that no dangerous people enter this country illegally.

No. My original statement was that Trump was sending the Guard down to prevent a “caravan” from crossing the border. I hadn’t read the article, so I assumed he was pulling a ficticious particular caravan of illegal immigrants out of his rear end. That doesn’t mean I think no one illegal crosses the border. I know they do. But the fact that they do doesn’t mean they’re dangerous or that Trump isn’t still pulling the idea out of his rear end.

Dek Rollins said:

I’m not talking about scare tactics to turn everyone against immigrants, I’m talking about facts.

To say “dangerous people cross the border” does not convey the same information as saying something like “50,000 people cross the border and 12 of them are dangerous”.

Yeah, okay, it was a cheap shot.