chyron8472

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.

Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?

How is that question supposed to be any clearer?

Is it not?

I’m calling into question your comment about conquest in Europe, because I don’t see what European conquest has to do with what minorities in America experience. They seem to me like two completely different situations that are in no way comparable.

There aren’t minorities in Europe who suffer(ed) remotely similarly in comparison to what American minorities did/do?

I’m saying I don’t suffer from white guilt. And I gave an example of my not thinking the government giving money to a poor cultural demographic will help individuals in that demographic to improve their situation to a point where they don’t need it.

And your example was… European conquest. Right? I don’t see how that helps to illustrate that point at all.

Conquest here. Conquest there. I don’t feel personal guilt for past European whites affecting American conquest against the minority already living here at the time.

The idea that it may not aid them to improve positively in the long term says to me that it’s not necessarily helpful.

Woah, woah, woah. Who said it won’t?

I did. I said it won’t.

The idea that other countries do not do this says to me that conquest does not necessarily warrant it.

What happened here was genocide, plain and simple

I don’t disagree with that.

and Native Americans are still being affected by it today.

And financially compensating their society in perpetuity is helpful to that society in the long term?

A better analogy might be one of the various genocides that happened in Europe. I can certainly think of an example, a big glaring elephant in the room, and reparations were paid because of it.

You’re saying the Nazis exterminating Jewish European citizens is the same as European colonists wholesale deciding they want more land and so took it brutally by force from the native people living here? The Nazis didn’t expand across Europe to specifically take land from the Jews. They exterminated the Jews because they wanted to, not because the Jews were unfortunate enough to be in their way when they wanted something. There was racism involved in both, sure, but the motivation is different and there were other factors involved. It’s not the same thing.

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.

Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?

How is that question supposed to be any clearer?

I’m saying I don’t suffer from white guilt. And I gave an example of my not thinking the government giving money to a poor cultural demographic will help individuals in that demographic to improve their situation to a point where they don’t need it. The idea that it may not aid them to improve positively in the long term says to me that it’s not necessarily helpful. The idea that other countries do not do this says to me that conquest does not necessarily warrant it. The two of these things together make me ask myself why are we doing it.

I do feel sad for what happened to people in this country’s past, but I don’t myself feel guilt about it nor do I feel it necessary or helpful for the current government to presently make financial compensation for greater-than-century-old offenses.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve had a lot of freaky experiences with seemingly haunted buildings or rooms. I know that it’s not true, and it was probably all just imagination, but it struck me as so unsettling that I can’t help but believe it.

Negative energy invites that sort of thing.

How are extraplanar beings who once were living on this plane supposed to be able to detect energy (or chemicals in the air) emanated from your body by you as a result of your emotional state?

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

I must be blessed to not suffer any white male guilt.

To some degree, I genuinely feel that people need to be responsible for themselves and stop blaming the rest of society. For example, I understand that the colonists that appeared in America back in the day did horrible things to the Native Americans. I understand that much of the Native American population is poor. But at some point I really don’t see the value in the United States government giving reparations to them anymore.

The value is in helping disadvantaged groups get out of artificial poverty. It’s really hard for people to “pull themselves by their bootstraps” out of a hole that America dug and threw them into. You agree that Native Americans are not doing well right now, and I hope you can agree that it’s largely due to America’s past actions. Why prolong their suffering?

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

Because getting a handout does not help one feel successful. I understand some people need it, but it will not ultimately motivate them to create a situation for themselves where they don’t need it. In some respect, people may even take it for granted and come to accept indefinite dependence on it.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.

moviefreakedmind said:

I do generally think that people have a really self-centered attitude that they may not have if they weren’t the center of the universe when they were kids.

I’m currently fighting this with my daughter. But it’s a bit of a juggling act. I want her to be independent and to learn to do things on her own, but I also want to teach her that she can and should rely on others for help, and that she won’t always get her way. Sometimes not letting her have her way isn’t that important for a particular whatever-it-is. It really depends on the situation, the innate personality of the child, and it’s complicated by deciding in that moment which lesson I’m deciding to teach her.

I don’t want her to always get her way, but I want her to know if I say “no” there’s a reason for the no, not just because I felt like it; I want her to be independent, but I don’t want her to make a mess, break things, or hurt herself.

Also, if I’m playing a video game and she asks me to play blocks with her, I have to decide whether I want to teach her not to hog my attention or to encourage her to interact with other people in a tactile environment. Plus I have to decide if what I’m doing is comparatively all that important for my own self. No, she’s not the center of the universe for everyone, but neither should I be for me.

It’s complicated.

moviefreakedmind said:

I think what a lot of people consider good parenting gives kids a really unrealistic idea of what real life is.

Reality is extremely complex. Oftentimes, perception of reality is just as important. And even one’s perception being positive can affect further positive outcomes in their own life. Being unrealistic about the realities of life is not the same thing as trying to make the most of what you have.

moviefreakedmind said:

Hyphenated names piss me off. That’s where I draw the line.

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsDj2fzEGdM&t=1m49s

moviefreakedmind said:

I do find them a bit annoying. I mean, just pick a fucking name.

Agreed. Also, if it’s not hyphenated. Like, is that your middle name or maiden name or what? Pick a name please.

TV’s Frink said:

My wife still has her own name. We’re doing just fine.

Ok.

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

Sort of related, when I got married to my wife, at the rehearsal I told the pastor I wanted him to say “I present [my first name] and [her first name] [my last name]” at the end instead of “[her first name] and [my full name]” (the latter of which is how he was going to word it, probably because he was her pastor and it was her parents’ church). They both gave me a look when I said that like I was asserting myself over her by putting my first name first, so I had to explain that I simply liked putting her first name with my last name.

So you were doubling down on your sense of ownership? 😉

But seriously, I’m betting she really likes having your name.

She does. Granted, we’ve been married for about a decade and a half now, but I remember years ago, early on in our marriage when she said she wanted a new bible with her married name because her current one had her maiden name embossed on it.

Sort of related, when I got married to my wife, at the rehearsal I told the pastor I wanted him to say “I present [my first name] and [her first name] [my last name]” at the end instead of “[her first name] and [my full name]” (the latter of which is how he was going to word it, probably because he was her pastor and it was her parents’ church). They both gave me a look when I said that like I was asserting myself over her by putting my first name first, so I had to explain that I simply liked putting her first name with my last name.

Mrebo said:

I must be blessed to not suffer any white male guilt.

I understand that likely certain of my ancestors are probably responsible for bad things having happened to minorities in this country, but I’m not responsible for that. I take no ownership of it. I understand being in poverty is a hard cycle to escape, and that our culture shows preference to certain types of people over others, but I play no (knowingly) active part in that.

To some degree, I genuinely feel that people need to be responsible for themselves and stop blaming the rest of society. For example, I understand that the colonists that appeared in America back in the day did horrible things to the Native Americans. I understand that much of the Native American population is poor. But at some point I really don’t see the value in the United States government giving reparations to them anymore. I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

What does a rude barista or stuttering have to do with politics?

When these sorts of things happen, we normally discuss them in the politics thread. It sorta has to do with with bigotry and discrimination, and that sorta gets into politics.

Fair enough.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/04/terry-gilliam-on-diversity-bbc-monty-python-black-lesbian?CMP=share_btn_tw

I no longer want to be a white male, I don’t want to be blamed for everything wrong in the world: I tell the world now I’m a black lesbian… My name is Loretta and I’m a BLT, a black lesbian in transition.

What a baby.

Speaking at a press conference at the Karlovy Vary film festival, where he was presenting his new film The Man Who Killed Don Quixote, Gilliam said: “It made me cry: the idea that … no longer six white Oxbridge men can make a comedy show. Now we need one of this, one of that, everybody represented… this is bullshit. I no longer want to be a white male, I don’t want to be blamed for everything wrong in the world: I tell the world now I’m a black lesbian… My name is Loretta and I’m a BLT, a black lesbian in transition.”

He added: “[Allen’s] statement made me so angry, all of us so angry. Comedy is not assembled, it’s not like putting together a boy band where you put together one of this, one of that everyone is represented.”

It’s not about picking one of each. It’s about giving all voices a chance to sit at the table.

+1 to all of this.

dahmage said:

I believe that poison ivy/oak can get ‘into your blood’ and spread that way, or even reoccur later.

But I know that doctors are pretty convinced it can’t. I still believe it though because it fits my experience better than what the experts say.

What crazy things do you believe, even though you know better?

If I say something (in particular) hasn’t happened, and I don’t want it to, I say “knock on wood” because I have this nagging suspicion like God has a sense of humor and would make it happen just because I said it wouldn’t. Knocking on wood, or saying that phrase, has no effect on anything but I still say it.

Mr.Knowitall said:

Are the Kingdom Hearts games worth playing? I can remember playing Kingdom Hearts 2 at a friend’s place over a decade ago but never being able to get into it.

I would say so. I’ve played KH 1 and 2 twice each. Chain of Memories has a card-battle system, so it’s not as good. Can’t say much about the other games, although I believe I heard in a review that Birth by Sleep is good.

If you’re going to play Kingdom Hearts II, you should play KH1 first. The story and characters don’t make as much sense in 2 if you don’t play 1.

dahmage said:

oojason said:

dahmage said:

damn work laptop decides to not boot when i bring it home for a late night upgrade project tomorrow… (i have had this laptop for over 7 years, this is the first time it has done this to me)

damn zalman vcd enclosure won’t load my win 7 iso (I/O error??), it loads my win 10 iso’s just fine, but i don’t want to reinstall, i just need to attempt a repair…

sometimes i really hate technology…

Just before you attempt that mate… and it’s just a suggestion that you may have already tried… turn the
laptop off, remove the battery from the laptop, unplug the power. Now hold down the power button for 30 seconds. Put the battery back in, plug in the power and turn it on - hopefully it may now work (or be of use if ever happen again in the future).

Good luck with it.

Yes, that is good advice, it has helped me and others in the past.

Thankfully this fixed it, or I would have been really grumpy today.

😋

http://fakeupdate.net/win7/

😉

TV’s Frink said:

In actual news, Scott Pruitt resigned.

I’m from Oklahoma, so I should know who that is, but I had to google him to find out.

Apparently I hadn’t been following whatever scandal he’s involved in. Not that it should be surprising or interesting to me if I had.

Warbler said:

oojason said:

‘Heterosexual couple win right to civil partnership’…

???

I thought heterosexuals couples already had the right?

The right to marriage. This couple wanted a “civil partnership” because it’s a more “modern construct”, while marriage has a history with women being given as property, among other reasons for it being seemingly antiquated. Apparently the current law didn’t extend “civil partnerships” to heterosexual couples.

Mrebo said:
I forgot the disclaimer:

The story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this production are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred. No animals were harmed in the making of this post.

You should put that in your signature.

TV’s Frink said:

But really, you might consider that you’re the only one who seems to be making a big deal out of this here.

Actually, mfm could have just said he chuckled and then everyone leave it at that. Your calling him out repeatedly for it seems to be what turned this into a big deal.

TV’s Frink said:

I mean, I certainly don’t remember ever coming close to finding humor in someone mocking a person who stutters, but ok.

You certainly participate in openly mocking people for other things here on this site. Other people laugh at times when you do it. The fact that it’s not related to a disability is irrelevant.

Tobar said:

Or you know…you could recommend they switch to classic graphics when playing the SE. =P

If I recall correctly, the SE version doesn’t allow you to switch to Classic Mode during the intro sequence. The VGA CD intro is better.

I do really love SOMI. In fact, I’ve played every available PC version of it (EGA, VGA, VGA CD, SE). I do like COMI better though, and I don’t have to explain when I recommend it why you should play the not-dicked-with version.

moviefreakedmind said:

I mean everyone else on the planet.

I know. I was joking.

moviefreakedmind said:

I didn’t say that you people don’t care about anyone.

TV’s Frink said:

Writing a person’s name in “stutter” is clever? What world am I even living in?

But yeah just sounds like you are bitter.

He just said the story gave him a slight chuckle. He didn’t say he was having schadenfreude over it. You yourself tend to not take seriously things that some people think you should.

I don’t know why berating mfm over this is warranted.

Tobar said:

O_o Why would you recommend Curse before Secret of Monkey Island?

I would recommend The Secret of Monkey Island before The Curse of Monkey Island.
But I’d also recommend The Curse of Monkey Island before The Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition.

Dominic Armato’s voice in Secret is great, but there are several problems with the remake, starting with Guybrush’s hair. I do know people who fixed said problems, but it’s akin to a fanedit, which is rather niche. I’m not recommending the SE version of the first game if I feel you have to mod it to fix problems the EGA/VGA/CD versions didn’t have. That and I believe Curse to be the best in the series.

https://telltale.com/community/discussion/15836/somi-se-backgrounds-fix-patch-and-other-mods/
https://www.facebook.com/monkeyislandhairpatch

 
I do absolutely love the soundtrack for the CD version of The Secret of Monkey Island. Amazing music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onie4N5FTlE&list=PLB523A85E8EF616ED&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUJ-r6xru18&list=PLB523A85E8EF616ED&index=4

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Consider a drive by shooting happens. You are a cop. You are given description of the vehicle, which includes make, and model and the fact that window was shot out. Soon after the shooting, around the area the shooting took place, you stop a vehicle that matches the description, make and model and a shot out window in the correct area of the car. You see two guns in the car. Suddenly one the occupants of the car takes off on foot. You have no idea if he is armed or not(even though two guns were in the car, it doesn’t mean another one wasn’t on his person). For all you know he was involved in the shooting. What do you? (and keep in mind you have less time to decide than it took you read this paragraph)

Certainly not shoot him because I’m not a fucking monster, and I don’t want to live in a world where cops can just execute people in the street for any reason.

Maybe Warbler thinks we should let a cop shoot a kid when he answers the door because the kid is holding a Wii Remote and the cop didn’t have enough reaction time to determine it wasn’t.