And yet, he was stupid enough to arrogantly claim that video games could never be art; having never before actually played any video games whatsoever.
And when he was called out on it, he didn't change his mind nor become open to opposing evidence. Instead, he merely admitted that he ought to have just kept his trap shut about it in the first place.
That is, except for destroying Romulus.
That's all very true.
I'm just saying that it's a bit much for people to say that they don't like the new direction Abrams took with Trek, when Trek has already been taken in a bunch of other different directions, none of which seems to have pleased anywhere near a majority of the fanbase in a very long time.
I don't like those scenes. They add nothing to the story, and Mark Hamill's performance there is lackluster at best.
Seriously. When was the last great Trek movie before (2009)?
Star Trek VI, that's what.
People hated Generations because Picard was too moody and Data was too comical. People hated First Contact because it was too dark. People hated Insurrection because it might as well have been a 2-part TNG episode. People hated Nemesis because Data was killed (despite Data explicitly saying during the episode "Time's Arrow" that he didn't want to outlive his friends) while others hate it because B4 somehow allows Data to not be killed (again, despite "Measure of a Man" stating that the flavor of Data's memories should be lost.)
Aaand... people hate Trek 2009 because it's too much like Star Wars.
Again, Trek fans don't know what the hell they want.
The Trek fanbase has no idea what it wants. When DS9 came out, people complained because it was a Babylon 5 clone; When Voyager came out, people complained because it was like a rehash of TNG, but with a captain they didn't like; When Enterprise came out, people complained that it had too much fanservice and also that it was again a rehash of TNG.
Enterprise was a wonderful show, but it was cancelled after 4 seasons for low ratings.
Trek needed change. It needed something new to attract new fans, and JJ Abrams did that with flying colors. No matter what anyone did in making the next Trek movie, a ton of people would bitch and moan, because the Trek fans are too divided on what the heck they think makes Trek good.
Case in point: I've read on many a site how a lot of people are in love with the idea of Khan Noonien-Singh (from Star Trek II) being in a new Trek movie. But you mark my words, if he is, then a crap ton of fans will call the movie an unoriginal rehash, while others bitch about how Ricardo Montalban was way better.
Star Wars is the polar opposite. Star Wars VII isn't being made for new fans, so much as it's being made for old fans who want a reason to love their favorite franchise again. In fact, JJ Abrams is a fan of the OT, so I don't see that he would be nearly as bad a choice as having George Lucas.
Replace Count Dooku
with Count von Count
fairuz hidayat said:
Did the same for the Dooku scene ("Sith are our speciality...My powers have doubled....etc).Palpy's dialogue in tempting Anakin to kill Dooku was trimmed and done off screen to hopefully give a better impression of Palpy's manipulation and temptation of Anakin.
Yeah, I noticed that.
A lot of other faneditors remove Palpy's goading entirely, but I like the way you did it. It mirrors the Emperor's dialogue in ROTJ, but he comes off neither as arrogant as in ROTJ nor as obviously evil (to Anakin) as in the theatrical ROTS. It works.
And yeah--"our speciality" doesn't really fit when the Sith had been in hiding for a thousand years (plus it sounds kinda dumb), and "my powers have doubled" is a terribly delivered line.
If anyithng, I would say the clone troopers glowing is inconsistent with the stormtroopers not glowing. Not the other way round.
That is to say... I think about the stormtroopers battling on the Blockade Runner, and then I think about the clone trooper army battling droids on Geonosis... and the OT rings superior in believability and realism to me.
It is a pretty cool idea, though.
Burdokva said:
It seems that I'm in the minority here among both OT and PT "fans", but I 've always though it was plain and boring natural aging. The Emperor is very old. He's, what, 90 by the time of RotJ ?
Before the PT, this was my thought as well.
I've been going back and comparing L8wrtr's Sith reveal vs Kerr's Sith reveal, and the problem with L8wrtr's lies how the lighting is handled.
In L8wrtr's edit, the lights are flickering in and out, and it's very obvious that he could only have made the "reveal" off camera.
Stankpac's most recent update to his edit, as I recall, adds loud heartbeats with too much LFE, and a very loud thunderclap, which is very distracting.
Kerr, whose idea this was originally anyway, has the lights flicker and go out. When Palpatine electrocutes armless-Windu, he apppears normal ("power!); the lights flicker and go out completely ("unlimited..."); and when they come back up ("POWER!") he is wrinkly. Very barely when the lights are out can you make out that he is perhaps already wrinkly, but it's hard to tell exactly. The sequence is very, very well done.
(Unfortunately, this scene alone doesn't win me over with Kerr's edit, as the edit overall does have other technical problems.)
So, I suppose what this means is that a Sith-form reveal by Palpatine can indeed be believable and sensical. It just has to be edited properly.
I didn't know who he was either.
Google says he's Gunnery Sergeant Clint Eastwood.
Some of the cuts are a bit rough, but I like it.
I liked the way you worked the Palpy dialogue at the end of the Death of Dooku clip.
I also like Obi-Wan being the first voice/face we encounter in ROTS.
jimmyw247 said:
Hi
I'm brand new to all of this and was intrigues by the idea of Q2's tweaks. I've had trouble finding a non-malicous torrent and am now using usenet but am having trouble downloading the NBZ file - only part one of ep 1 downloads and without audio.
Does anyone have any tips or links to a reliable site they could PM me. After watching the Phantom Edit and Attack of the Phantom I'm really intrigued to see where Fall of the Jedi goes.
Cheers
Non-malicious torrent?
try Myspleen. Their torrents are not malicious. In fact, I uploaded the AVCHD version of FOTJ Episode III to Myspleen, myself.
adywan said:
darth_ender said:
chyron8472 said:
I love Willow.
Although it's yet another testament to how unoriginal Lucas is, since it very obviously takes quite a lot from The Lord of the Rings.
Find me a fantasy film that doesn't rip of Lord of the Rings to some extent. That said, I think George ripped himself off, as nearly every character is a fantasy equivalent of a Star Wars character.
yeh, Willow just took things from one of the early drafts for Star Wars. He did tinker with the idea of having the main characters for SW as dwarfs. You've got all the main characters from SW in there; Willow is Luke, Madmartigan is obviously Han Solo, Sorsha is Leia, Bavmorda is Vader, Raziel is Obi-Wan.
I don't know whether to laugh or be horrified by imagining the Original Trilogy featuring Luke, Leia, Han, Vader and Obi-Wan as Ewoks.
Well, yes. But some movies are less obvious than others.
Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkNHxQ3aqAg&t=9m40s
I love Willow.
Although it's yet another testament to how unoriginal Lucas is, since it very obviously takes quite a lot from The Lord of the Rings.
TV's Frink said:
generalfrevious said:
AOTC and ROTS tied for the worst movie ever.
I guess you've never seen a James Belushi movie.
Also I might point to a movie by a certain Tommy Wiseau.
Moth3r said:
SilverWook said:
It drives me nuts when Wookiee is misspelled. Especially when it's someone on the Lucasfilm payroll. ;)
For most other misspellings me & my OCD feel the same (most will know about my particularly strong dislike for the misspelling of the BD acronym).
But I tend to misspell "Wookiepedia" - deliberately, just to piss off EU-nerds and TFn members.
Also: http://goo.gl/maps/c0kSN
My OCD and I*
If "I" would be used alone ("For most other misspellings, I feel the same"), then "I" would be used in combination with another noun.
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I think this is a good indicator of how much people prefer the original version of Star Wars over any sort of fan edit or Special Edition:
Well, most people prefer something immediately burnable, like DVD or AVCHD.
If you're using a video file for now, I recommend MKV (more versatile) or M4V/MP4 (compatible with Apple devices). Most people around here would say MKV is best between the two. In either case, the video codec used should probably be H.264
Also, you should add info to the description section of your torrent, such citing as the sources you used to make the edit, and what changes you made.
If anything, I would put this (from your OP on this thread) into the description:
Here's just a few of my changes:
- ROTJ Fox and Lucasfilm logos used in all 3 films.
- Jar-Jar is no longer annoying! There's less of him, he has a new voice, new character, new subtitles and he's now a Gungan Warrior Prince and Boss Nass is his father!
- Young Anakin is also no longer annoying! He's brave, he's an amazing pilot, he never says "Oops" and he takes part in the battle of Theed on purpose (Not by Accident!).
- No mention of "Medicloreans" or uses of the phrase "Younglings" at any point!
- Almost all deleted scenes are fully or partially re-instated.
- All Lightsaber Duels are tighter, closer and faster in-line with the OT.
- Anakin is no longer a complete d**k in AOTC. He's heroic yet vulnerable. You actually like him!
- Padme and Anakin slowly fall in love in AOTC (Instead of spending the whole film spitting venom at each other).
- All dialogue has been trimmed line-by-line for god-awful-misjudge-ness e.g. "You're the kindest boy in the galaxy" and "This Parties over"
- Any terrible Digi-Doubles have been kept to a minimum.
- Young Boba is surly and doesn't speak.
- No pointless and over long CGI shots e.g. the full 360 of Obi on that Lizard thing.
- Less clowning around yet more humour.
- A few OT hero-music stings ("Dah da da da daaah")
- Yoda v Palpatine and Obi v Anakin are largely seperated in ROTS.
- Padme does not die from a bl**dy broken heart! She dies because Anakin actually does fatal damage to her in his jealous rage.
- And most importantly, Anakin is never named as Vader or shown in the suit to save that surprise for ESB.
Don't you mean "ROTS"?
Yes, I think the closing credits should at least begin with the Star Wars theme, just like the OT.
Just curious, but why is that torrent an .mpg?
Yes. It was Star Trek that he hadn't seen.
I don't enjoy the theatrical prequels. Mind you, they're okay. They're not good compared to the OOT, but they are fairly decent on their own.
I do, however, very much enjoy certain prequel fan edits. They have to be done properly so that they can likely pass for official (ie. not obviously edited by an amateur), but I do very much like Q2's trilogy, L8wrtr's 1 and 2, and Kerr's 3.
Suffice it to say that there are good films in there. It just takes a good editor to bring them out.
Well, Return of the Jedi (the original version; THANKS, HARMY!) is my favorite Star Wars film.
Those 50 reasons why ROTJ sucks feel like someone had too much time on their hands and just felt like bitching about something.
And such people who hate on Jedi, yet laude Star Wars and Empire as though the latter are so totally better... they never point out things like 1) why the stormtroopers don't check for droids behind locked doors; 2) how Ponda Baba's flipper isn't hairy nor fingered and shouldn't be able to shoot a gun; 3) how caves in asteroids have Earth-like gravity; 4) how Han and Leia should have expected a vacuum in the asteroid's "cave" and yet only had small oxygen masks on their lower face; among other things.
I like the OOT. I want to enjoy them. Sure, they should be open to criticism, but I'm not sure how whining and bitching about them, as that article does, does anything to improve the viewing experience. That is to say, I would probably never watch a Rifftrax of the OOT, because I would likely from that point on always hear their bitching at it in the back of my mind.