chyron8472

ray_afraid said:

I completely agree with you, I'm just saying I get the "meh, first explosion was better.'  feeling you mentioned no matter what version I'm watchin'.

I'm just saying that this

compared to this

doesn't seem as small as this does

when compared to this

(plus, like I said, the sound effect of the Revisited Death Star explosion sounds smaller.)

EDIT: Okay, I've been comparing the two, and the sound effect is what clinches it for me and really why it bothers me so much. Ady's version has no initial "pow" to it.

ray_afraid said:

chyron8472 said:

I think I only watch ANH:R sometimes because I already have it, since some of the changes sort of bother me (like making the Death Star explosion feel less epic than the Alderaan explosion.)

 

The Alderaan explosion always been more epic than the Death Stars, hasn't it? Is there a version of Star Wars where that isn't the case?

In '77, Alderaans huge fireball with chunks flying out dwarfed the Death Stars little 'Pop!' and glitter show. In all versions of the SE, the same ring has been added to both explosions, so Alderaan still has the better bang. I just watched both go boom in Revisited and I'd say the new Death Star explosion at least equals Alderaans.

I don't mean to go off topic, just found this interesting.

Adywan's Alderaan explosion is the explosion of the Asgard homeworld on Stargate SG-1. This explosion is MUCH more massive than that of either the classic or SE Alderaan explosions, and the sound effect is different and somehow smaller, such that his Alderaan explosion dramatically dwarfs his Death Star blowing up.

Sure, Alderaan is a planet and so should cause a bigger boom, but we're supposed to get this feeling of elation or exhileration from the Rebels blowing up the most powerful weapon in the universe at the last possible moment. Unfortunately, the feeling I get while watching Adywan's edit is "meh, the first explosion was better."

Mavimao said:

I think it was catbus who made a corrected version and I have this muxed with my personal file. 

I came here originally because Darth Marsden at the Telltale Games forums (now at Double Fine; we all moved forums after TTG screwed theirs up) brought up Adywan's ANH:R in the middle of a communal rant on George Lucas.

By far my biggest issue with the SEs is Jedi Rocks, and ROTJ:DE fixes that. (Jedi Rocks > ROTJ Vader "No!" > Hayden ghost > CGI Jabba > Greedo shoots > CGI wampa). 

I didn't care much for SW:DE 1.0 because the blockade runner had yellow walls and the dewback next to the cantina was purple, so I stuck with ANH:R for the first film instead. But since 2.1 came out, I watch the DEED. I think I only watch ANH:R sometimes because I already have it, since some of the changes sort of bother me (like making the Death Star explosion feel less epic than the Alderaan explosion.)

I mean, I /would/ have said that I'm not a stickler for the originals, but this is so unbelievably good that I take it back.

I only take issue with DJ's versions because they lack fine detail, comparatively.

I wouldn't suggest using the word "crappy" in the documentary. It sounds amateurish and unprofessional. "Poor", "inferior", "low quality", "substandard" or other such words would be better.

Well, so long as the matte BOXES aren't there, I couldn't care less about the matte lines. The matte boxes bother me.

Harmy said:

analog said:

On the "versions" section - will this touch on the changes across all the home releases, such as some of the major changes on all of them? I think it'd be cool to have a quick rundown of some of the more "famous" and arguably rather stupid additions/changes.

From a relatively untouched VHS / Laserdisc era, to 97SE, to DVD, to BD, that'd be cool to see a quick breakdown.

I actually meant versions of the DeEd (v1.0, v2.0, v2.1, v2.5). What you talk about will be covered in the "changes" video.

One thing that'd be great to show on that would be a picture of the 2006 DVDs - something like opening it up, showing the 2nd disc thrown in there, then played on a widescreen to illustrate how sad it is that it's the only official release of the originals, in original form. I mean, yes, I'm glad to own them, but it's sad that they're only really barely worth watching on a CRT, which you can't even really buy anywhere anymore.

That's a great idea. Actually, my BD player doesn't even allow for the GOUT to be zoomed in, when I press the full screen button, it simply stretches it out and it doesn't zoom it, so the only way to watch it on my BD player is with black bars on all sides.

Oh yeah... I forgot my PS3 does the same thing. I think it's because it knows the video is 4:3 on a 16:9 screen, so it tries to be helpful and remove the need to change the ratio on the TV by automatically pillarboxing it.

Zer0Squared said: Chyron wanted everything on one disc, so he's just making his own when he has everything.  (I think that's right)

Possibly. The jury's still out on that. I prefer it, but I may not actually bother. We'll see.

Handbrake's help files say that SD sources should have the Quality slider set between 19 and 21, while HD sources should be set between 21 and 23 (lower is better picture; higher is smaller file size).

They say that at some point you reach diminishing returns with the quality setting, so setting HD sources to 19 may not be the most efficient setting.

http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/ConstantQuality

Concerning blank media, what is the best manufacturer of blank Bluray discs?  I am aware that the best DVD5s are from Taiyo Yuden, and the best DVD9s are from Verbatim's manufacturer in I think Singapore. What is the best manufacturer of Blurays to go with?

Yes this does matter. I tried burning Kerr's 6-disc Lord of the Rings set onto disc, and had to go out and buy more discs after I wasted a whole 20 pack spindle only to get 4 of them to work reliably on a standalone DVD player. I know it was the fault of the discs, not the data.

Is Harmy going to make an AVCHD?

I think he said he was going to. Personally, I'd rather he concentrated on the Bluray and leave any lower quality conversions than the MKV to be made by one of us.

For myself, I don't know if the Bluray will be released before Christmas and I plan on giving the entire DeEd remaster set and Adywan's edit(s) as a present to my cousin who was a long time hardcore SW fan before the SEs ruined the OT. If an AVCHD is not made soon, it's likely I will make one myself, and give it to him in the set, together with the other DEED AVCHDs.

Of course, no matter who makes it, I will put it on the spleen. And, much to Harmy's obvious chagrin, I'm also considering uploading a comparatively small, tablet-friendly m4v to the spleen with only a few audio tracks for people who want to watch this awesomeness on the go or else want to enjoy Star Wars but don't have much HDD space or bandwidth to spare.

EDIT: My concern that the Bluray may not be released before Christmas is not a jab at Harmy. I know that people have real lives and things happen that divert their attention from /comparatively/ trivial projects such as this, and it is entirely possible that events may cause Harmy to take longer than 10 weeks to release the Bluray.

Klasodeth said:

chyron8472 said:

Though I only speak English, I have to side with accessibility on this issue.

 

There are more people who want to watch Star Wars spoken in their native language than there are people who have enough money to buy a big theatre-style entertainment room for their house with 7.1 surround.

I realize you crossed this out, but if you're making a disc for your own uses, why bother keeping a bunch of extra languages in? Your argument would make perfect sense for a disc that's intended for wide distribution, but unless you regularly host international viewings of Star Wars, I don't see how stripping out unneeded language dubs from a personal disc is even up for debate. 

No, not me for mine. I mean if I were Harmy. I was thinking about it after I wrote that and changed my mind to a compromise rather than picking a side, hence the strikeout. I'm not Harmy, and Harmy can do what he likes. I just like the idea of the whole project being on one disc.

Just letting you all know, Krieg der Sterne - DE v2.5 is now live on the Spleen.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/topic/15914/

Krieg der Sterne - DE v2.5 is live on the Spleen.

timdiggerm said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

waspattck said:

The space limit on a single-layer BD is somewhere around 23.5 GB. 17.9 as-is without any extras is fast approaching that.

I suppose you could start dropping selected audio (particularly lossless audio) to create more space, then of course the revised menus.

There wouldn't be any layer break on a BD-25, of course so no worries there. Even if there were, the software would handle that seamlessly.

Hell no. Don't drop the lossless audio. Drop the various languages. Those matter MUCH less.

International accessibility vs audiophiles

Though I only speak English, I have to side with accessibility on this issue.

There are more people who want to watch Star Wars spoken in their native language than there are people who have enough money to buy a big theatre-style entertainment room for their house with 7.1 surround.

I take that back. If it were me, I would compromise and maybe have only the default audio track be lossless; maybe drop only a few of the foreign dubs; and if necessary, drop the video bitrate down a hair.

This is all just speculation of course. Harmy, you can do whatever you want.

stretch009 said:

Ok, I'm currently seeding the mkv and my port is open so I assumed I should be able to upload to more than one person at a time.  Unfortunately this isn't the case.  If anyone can tell me how to configure Utorrent to upload to more than one person at a time it would be appreciated.

 

In "Options" ->"Preferences", under the "Bandwidth" tab, there is a section titled "Number of Connections". Check the numbers next to "Global Maximum Number of Connections", "Maximum Number of  Connected Peers Per Torrent" and "Number of Upload Slots Per Torrent".

Mine are currently set to 350, 85 and 4 respectively. Beyond that, if you aren't connecting to more than one peer at a time, it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't. At present there are...26 seeders for the torrent, so perhaps the tracker doesn't think you need to seed to more than one at a time.

Seriously, is there a way in which I would be able to obtain (or mux for myself)  the movie and extras on a single disc?

Would that require me to re-encode the video track at the bitrate of the AVCHD?

Listening to the Commentary for the Visually Impaired audio track just for kicks. It plays the movie out like an audio book or radio play.

But suddenly I hear "Suspended in the infinite void of outer space, words in giant gold letters roll slowly oit from beneath us and disappear into the distant stars. They read: 'Episode IV: A New Hope.'"

WHAT?!  lol.

I would rather have it all on one BD50 than on two BD25s

box said:

 

I guess I'll have to teach myself how to package 2.1 in an ISO like 1.0. I couldn't burn the AVCHD directly in OSX last time I tried.  

Use ImgBurn to make ISOs. I've used other software, and it seems that ImgBurn really is the best. It seems cumbersome at first, but once you get used to the UI it really is pretty easy to use.

Most importantly, I've found it to be the best at making ISOs because I've had the least amount of problems with standalone  players when burning images I made in ImgBurn.

That is, compared to BurnAware, DaemonTools, PowerISO, MagicISO, and Alcohol 120%. I can't speak to how well Nero does, but I'd bet money that ImgBurn is still better.

lucasdroid said:

So is the torrent on myspleen good?

 

It is exactly what is in the RARs available on multi. I didn't make any changes to the files whatsoever.

I haven't had the chance to watch the whole film yet, but I did do a cursory check to make sure the MKV works and it works just fine.

Harmy, do you have a sort of self-imposed deadline on when you'd like to get the Bluray out?

What is it that you have left to work on? I know you said the menus weren't done yet.
(I'd suggest talking to Adywan if you're having issues. His menus look good.)

Nearsighted Scrappile said:

Sheesus, a guy doesn't understand something and gets jumped on (typical for OT.com). I had no idea that the number of files had dropped from 92 to 37 or whatever for the post-fix JD links. I wasn't feeling entitled, I just didn't know what was going on here. Excuse me.

This has nothing to do with your confusion. It has to do with your attitude.

If you try to be more civil, people are more likely to respond in kind.

And I can't believe that you're extending our irritation at your attitude to indicate that the entire OT.com community is elitist and rude. These are nice people. They just have a passion for Star Wars. Simple as that.

torrent is live.

Okay, so it's 1am and I'm going to bed. JD says it needs another hour to finish downloading.

If all goes well, I will upload to the spleen tomorrow morning, which ought to be in about... 6 hours.