That is it really. One other note, You will need one of the PCIe or M2 fast SSD drives, or a RAID0 array of 3 SATA SSDs to keep up with the data coming in from the camera at 4K @ 24fps.
Holy carp. Well, my new workstation has the recent Samsung M.2 950 Pro, but at 512GB that’d be a little short on space.
Thanks for sharing poita, this is fantastic information.
For instance, there would be any given SCENE#:FRAME# (or similar identifying nomenclature) for a shot in the film that is being referenced. (BTW, are slated scene numbers known for every shot in these films?)
Seems to answer my question:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Shot-List-Spreadsheet-v0505-6-films-publicly-editable/id/13403
This is a thread for discussion of spreadsheets which list every shot in the Star Wars movies. After each shot gets listed, additional information can be added. For example: script pieces, duration/length, Special Edition changes, etc.
Currently working on: **First Pass ALL Films Complete
**ShotList-StarWars-v0.5.05 :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtjXdIjRQo5NdDJORXlfTDBIN0NaQXlWMk51Q2tOR0E
**ShotList-StarWars-v0.5.05_public : (this version can be edited by anyone)
**https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtjXdIjRQo5NdE9GMEZlOXZqOTkwYVRhbVd0WGh4TXc
Not sure how this public version will work out. But feel free to save your own copy and make changes. If you do make a change, let me know, so I can incorporate it into a backup version. As this is public, it might get corrupted so might periodically revert it back to it’s original state. I guess if anyone reading does make a change, maybe change the border so it <span style=“text-decoration: underline;”>STANDS OUT</span>. This will make it easier to find when I do a review.
- Validation will be done by trusted users, which will be able to see the original and the modified file at the same time (in a screenshotcomparison.com way)
I’m wondering if a good starting point would be to build a clip database of complete shots from the major prior home video releases for reference. Kinda like Blue_Harvest’s screenshotcomparison idea or Harmy’s screenshot galleries, but not necessarily limited to a single frame of a RAW film scan and its restoration-in-progress. I’m thinking of individual clips that can be played, looped, frozen, reverse-played, and slo-mo’d, etc. and can be viewed in 1-up, 2-up, 4-up, etc. configurations. Cut, Wipe, and Transparency controls can enable the user to examine registration or digital alteration differences.
For instance, there would be any given SCENE#:FRAME# (or similar identifying nomenclature) for a shot in the film that is being referenced. (BTW, are slated scene numbers known for every shot in these films?) For this example I’ll choose the shot in Return Of The Jedi when Boba Fett gets clobbered by Han Solo on the Skiff and his rocket pack misfires. We know this shot was changed for 2011 Blu-Ray. The references to compare might be a inverse-telecine’d Pan+Scan Laserdisc rip, the GOUT DVD rip, the 2004 SE Broadcast capture, and the 2011 BR. The user or group could dynamically remove or add additional versions for the comparison, such as a RAW scan and a restoration work-in-progress. A 4-up view could look similar to Harmy’s comparison but such that the clip could actually be played (in synchronization or separately), as described above: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM9HqKhDhHT1O6CDfGmH44R1AduXqfpFjOqiMHVX3OnWusb-fZ_RoPKjAcO8Jcgsg/photo/AF1QipOgOrVI4-ndqRB8QWhESeWlR96nGf52R9aDrmsa?key=blBhRV9DNmsxaVlMdUpFYjYxN3FISk5Ma2xfQ293
Image viewing size, dynamic scaling, and colorspace conversions would have to be taken into account due to significant differences in pixel dimensions, aspect ratios, letterboxing, and video standards of the various versions. It would be helpful to be able to add the preceding and subsequent shot to the clip comparison. Missing frames from one release vs. another can be easily identified and SCENE MISSING: FRAMEXX title cards could be toggled over blank frames. Theatrical vs. Special Edition and Blu-Ray additions could be similarly synced, though wholes sections which don’t have an exact equivalent such as “Lapti Nek” vs. “Jedi Rocks” might need to be handled separately.
I have no idea if a web interface could be easily developed that would enable what I’ve described. It would probably be pretty difficult, and I have doubts that a central read-only server could work in realtime for lossless remote playback. Perhaps user caching would make it feasible. If a web interface is unworkable, then it might be more reasonable to have a private server with lossless clips of each version of each shot, that can be downloaded on an individual basis and loaded, stacked, and synced into a standard NLE timeline.
I know a lot of the folks here on OT have worked very hard to capture all the picture detail possible from old interlaced video releases, and spent ages trying to calculate reverse-pulldown patterns until their eyes crossed, etc. Maybe this is one way that their hard work could be showcased.
There’s so many great ideas in this thread, very much in line with some thoughts I’ve had for years of a fan-based, open-source restoration community. I admit to being quite concerned about the legal implications of sharing copyrighted images/sequences, so some sort of air-gap to somewhat insulate contributors from liability and to keep movies away from pirates would be beneficial overall.
I’m not sure how exactly that could be implemented, but DaVinci Resolve has a “remote user” feature that could be explored. I believe this leaves images and project data on a remote server, while the user, in another location, can see and edit with them, without physically copying the image data to the user’s own hard drives.
Darth Lucas said:
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One a side note, if this pitch goes well & Mike gets a job, could he realistically be able to do Empire and Jedi in about a year (for the 40th anniversary) while working full time? It doesn’t seem likely that two movies could be done that quickly when the first one took 15 years.
Yeah, it’s been a long, long road, but at this point, it’s a fully-armed and operational battle station.
Could probably do a film in a year with a crew.
Reporting for duty…
JEDIT: “Red 2, Standing by.”
JEDIT 2: “Right now I feel like I can take on the whole Empire myself.”
There is also a wealth of information on DIY film scanning at the http://forums.kinograph.cc/ forum. One particularly generous contributor reminds me of Poita’s expertise shared here at OT.
mverta said:
Let me just clarify a few points:
- Legacy will be screened for Fox/Disney executives later this year. At least, that’s the plan, the discussions have started/invitations beginning, and so far, so good. We’ll see.
… (snip)…
mverta said:
But to most people, it’s hard to believe, unless they really see it, just how bad a shape Star Wars is in. I mean, no other important, relevant release (they’re still making Star Wars movies, you’ll notice) is so mistreated and neglected. But a pitch is a show - all pitches are. And I’ve done God-knows-how-many of them in my career. It’s a full multi-media presentation in a theater, with lots of eye candy, and aims to lead the audience towards an inescapable conclusion. But how it’s unique and different, and most importantly, profitable, are just key elements. So certainly an analysis of the market and making that case is part of it. But it’s gotta stay entertaining, and potential laden. Legacy, should it be adopted, would be the first truly new offering in a long time - not just another repackaging, and not just a bit of hype. This is a Star Wars nobody’s really ever seen, ready for 4K… ready for a limited theatrical release if they wanted to do it. It’s a strong pitch just on its merits, but that’s by no means a slam dunk. It’s got to be done just right, pitch-perfect, at the right time with the right people and every last pushback planned for. I have help from a fantastic team. We’re on it.
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mverta said:
I’ve been mostly out of the country, and otherwise working my ass off to dig myself out of this abyss of Legacy debt 😃 So far so good, but that’s why it’s been quiet. But in terms of releases, I don’t want to put anything out ahead of the pitch. I don’t want to risk having any thunder stolen. I want to be able to end the pitch with a mic drop, basically.
Can’t tell you how thrilled I am with these updates. Thanks for logging in and spending some quality time here again. I know I really appreciate hearing exciting news on Legacy like this. Best of luck!
When everything is all collected, scanned, tweaked, twerked, worked and released, it’s gonna be a lot of resources no one expected to be in the hands of mere mortals like us.
As Nu Shooz said - I can’t wait.
(Off Topic): funny you mentioned that when you did:
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/16/how-two-jazz-hippies-and-a-dutch-dj-made-portlands-biggest-song-ever/
What the hell is going on??
http://thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2016/02/19/Team-Negative1-has-disbanded
(On Topic): Wait, this isn’t funny at all… now we will have to wait.
Yup, these are just color matching tests. A proper color timing would probably have somewhat less contrast, and saturation, which is what I suspect Harmy and camroncamera are doing at this very moment. The soldier and Vader frames from a few posts back are my personal attempts at properly color timing the bluray, by color matching the bluray to the Tech with the software, and then manually adjusting them to the desired final result. I showed them to Mike Verta, to get his opinion on them, and he thought they looked good.
Was a little surprised to see my name mentioned, you guys have been doing all the R&D and heavy lifting while I sit back and read about your amazing work and lament not having the computational firepower to try anything myself.
Color tools have evolved a lot since my DaVinci/Spirit 2K telecine days and I would have something of a learning curve to climb to get back up to speed with all of you.
Despecialzed in the news again: http://www.redsharknews.com/business/item/3176-star-wars-the-remarkable-quest-to-restore-the-original-film
schorman13 said:
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I’ve done this to some degree in my HDTV project. My experience with this is that averaging will not improve the detail in any way, and will certainly not remove encoding errors/issues.
Thank you for your detailed analysis, great info.
Dek Rollins said:
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And I’ve always disliked the Millennium Falcon’s design, mainly the cockpit placement making no sense.
From: https://m.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3brzhg/whyhow_was_the_millennium_falcon_a_freighter/
KilroyMcfadden206d, 4h7
Google says… http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/50642/how-much-freight-could-the-millennium-falcon-carry-or-pull
ETA: There is also speculation that the mandibles were designed to fit into giant cargo pods that the MF would then push to it’s destination.
king_hippo77206d, 3h6
I like the comment linked above that it might actually just be a tug boat pulling containers of freight (another possible use for the fork shaped mandibles). Kind of like a semi pulling a trailer… it would be kind of backwards to attach something to the front, but that would explain why the cockpit is way off the side… to see around what’s attached in front.
SyRauk205d, 22h7
You just blew my fucking mind.
“SANITATION?!”
Also, was it just garbage in the trash compactor?
Something a bit odd–Lapti Nek wss covered last November. Seems like an odd choice for a cover.
Love the Madonna “Music” sound going on in this. Sounds something like…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdz2oW0NMFk
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Now when is someone going to do this for Empire of Dreams and The Legacy Revealed?
Rumors from September indicate that Empire Of Dreams was in the process of a studio remastering in HD: http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=179317982
[Spoilers] During my first TFA viewing I thought that the Snoke hologram was going to turn out to be a Great And Powerful Hux projection: an ancient-looking disguise with an air of authority that would allow the youthful-appearing Hux to give orders to the First Order and KR. (“Pay no attention to the Hux behind the curtain”). However, I was surprised to see a later scene that showed Hux speaking one-on-one alone to the Snoke hologram, so that theory would only work if Hux were a sort of Dr.-Hux-And-Mr.-Snoke split personality. That would be quite a stretch.
I’ve seen Harmy’s v2.5 anh and also Esb 2.0. Waiting for rotj 2.0 in a few weeks?
Today I watched rotj definitive collection laserdisc on my hldx9. It’s currently hooked up to a very old crt tv though.
I couldn’t enjoy it because of the lack of detail which Harmy has now spoiled us with.
I paid a lot for it, so I’m not about to get rid of it.
I just wondered if anybody uses laserdisc anymore and has used it with e.g. an upscaler on a hdtv. How would it hold up to harmy’s efforts?
The Wednesday night before the release of TFA, my wife and I hosted a Classic Original Trilogy movie night for several friends. My Definitive Collection LaserDisc set, played on my Pioneer CLD-D702 LD player and displayed on my 55" Panasonic VT50 plasma TV, looked fuzzy and scaled poorly to fit the width of the 16:9 screen. BUT it was an awesome experience nonetheless. Glad I’ve kept the player and box set all these years (Day One purchase for me). Still hoping a proper restoration such as the Legacy project is released one day soon by Disney/Lucasfilm.
That was interesting. Thanks for posting the link. 😃
Agreed, I love all of these detailed behind-the-scenes stories of the Classic Trilogy that have been coming to light in recent weeks.
A blog site co-founded by actress Zooey Deschanel has picked up the story of the Star Wars Holiday Special and shared it with today’s youth: http://hellogiggles.com/star-wars-holiday-tv-special/
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bmanske said:
My memory from 1977 tells me that there were 4 or more "Standby"s. I though that they drew out this scene to an almost comical length (and this was a much younger and less critical self). I also recall that among the tension building scenes of the lighted panels of buttons was were scenes showing the outside of the Death Star where the weapon circle would fire from, inside where they showed a huge tube that became brilliantly lit by the weapon’s light and then became a small beam of the larger weapon when cut back to the outside. This is where I remember the Death Star announcer saying “Standby” a few more times. I remember the beams that form the weapon all converging and thinking it strange that they met without the main planet destroying beam forming. Then the Death Star exploded.So is it just my memory or does anybody else remember these things?
Is there any chance of that theater’s projectionist playing shenanigans with that scene by, say, cutting in earlier material from the destruction of Alderaan?
Well, here’s the scoop: EditDroid (you guys remember EditDroid, right?) is back with a new release…and that release is a previously uncirculated version of the Holiday Special that blows away anything else out there. Some of you may have spotted it by now; it’s up in the usual places.
Believe me when I say that when it comes to quality, this is about as good as it’s ever going to get. Even an official release (as unlikely as that may be) would have a hard time topping this one.
Until we see the real thing, I think this is the definitive one at long last.
–SKot
Wow, I was already very impressed with the theatrical showing in Vancouver earlier this month (presumably from the same source that’s been projected there three years in a row). The only obvious flaw I can remember was the short glitch in the Diahann Carroll performance.
It’s going to be a lock-in event, I hope 😄
Thanks to Skot for putting on Friday’s Holiday Special event at The Kiggins, we had a blast as usual. Thanks for the conversation as well, it was good to meet you.
It’s going to be a lock-in event, I hope 😄
A few smart moviegoers manage to escape the clutches of the Dark Side. This tends to happen when Itchy gets disturbingly excited with his Oculus Rift-style Head Mounted Display.