borisanddoris

Totally.

While I agree it was legitimate, given the context, I could understand the mistaking of it as snarky.

Can I broker peace between you two?

I respect you both, but c'mon, this isn't helping anyone.  Just listen to Captain Solo:

http://i.imgur.com/Qc7Ty.gif

In other words...

http://i.imgur.com/IQpAbIx.gif

zeropc said:

ha... you always learn something new :D

i just tried it and it works. thanks borisanddoris :)

Glad I could help!

I can usually drop a stereo .wav file into the DTS encoder and create a 2.0 mono track.  For a 1 channel mono, yes, you'd definitely need mono .wav files.

I know it may not be my place, but if you all are going to have a disagreement, perhaps go private?  I'd hate for this thread to get sidetracked to the point where someone gets them self banned or blocked.

Both your work is too good to let something little like this get in the way.  This isn't reddit, it's OT.com.  Aren't we better than that?

I wanted to make a DTS-HD MA file out of it, but the encoder didn't like W64. No worries, tsmuxer does and it muxed perfectly. 

I'm also no expert , but sync seems fine to me. 

I thank you both. The work done here trounces Anchor Bay's pathetic attempt. 

Took a better listen today. Great work. The LaserDisc natively is about a few dB louder  but with adjustments in volume, they sound virtually identical. Both my LD and BR players output bit streams directly.  I wonder if some detail is lost when converting from 44.1 to 48. 

Oh well. It's better than the 5.1, 7.1, and lossy mono tracks. 

My yearly screening is now ready!  Thanks DJ and DB!

Re-did it with DVD fab...no problems.

I only do file structure because I have to split the files, as I used a FAT32 drive.  I'd use NTFS but as a Mac user, that introduces a lot of pains in the ass.

I really wish the Oppo would read Mac journaled disc formatting, or that OS X would have native NTFS support.  I'd still not go back to Windows if you paid me though. :)

As for the audio, I'll have to do a better test, but I had to crank my fader more than when using the LaserDisc.  Was anything changed?

I had trouble muxing with tsmuxer.  First time ever really.  After I was done, it had some frames of video that just froze and then skipped...audio never missed a beat.  I used makemkv to rip as usual.  I muxed to a Blu-ray file structure.

I've done another rip using DVDFab and I'm about to give that a shot shortly.

Strange, everything played just fine on VLC...just my Oppo BDP-93 playing off of USB that gave me trouble.

I wait with bated breath. 

And a high speed internet connection. 

The force is strong with this one...

The 35th and the previous Blu-ray should be sync'd.  In my test of the mono track from the earlier release muxed with the 35th, no re-sync seemed necessary.

Also, thanks for everyone willing to participate!

I'd like to see what our feline friend _,,,^..^,,,_ has to offer first.  They made mention of ripping the Criterion disc already, and I do believe they can do it bit perfect.

If not, I might be able to give it a try.

I've actually tried that optical in before...no luck in getting bit perfect.  

So I could potentially do a PCM recording, it just won't be perfect.

I'd love to, but I don't have any capturing gear.  If anyone can point me to Mac compatible hardware/software to do this, I'll consider buying it.

That being said I have a rip of the mono track from the first Blu-ray if anyone wants that.  Is it the same as the 1999 DVD?

Critics be damned, I went ahead and sync'd the mono from the earlier Blu-ray to the new 35th disc.  It appears to be a perfect match...no delays or re-syncing needed.

I'm still interested in a LPCM preservation of the Criterion LD.  It still sounds better, but this will do!

The original Blu-ray is a recycled DIVIMAX transfer supposedly.  In other words, it's wrong.  To my eyes, lots of detail is missing and the colors are way way off.

The new disc, to me at least, is more representative of what that LD looked like.  According to the jacket, that disc was scanned from a "35mm Panavision print minted from the original negative."  

The audio was from the "35mm magnetic master mono soundtrack."

I'd love to get my hands on a sycn'd track of the LaserDisc.  It sounds wonderful on my system.  I wish I had the tools and talent to get a bit perfect rip.

I sadly don't have the 1999 disc any longer for comparison.  

Any able to do some screen caps with the 99 DVD, the Blu-rays, and the Criterion LD?  

Did some comparisons:

Projector: Optoma GT-750. Matte white wall. 2.21 (yeah, I use the old 70mm ratio). Appox. 11 feet wide. I sit 12 feet away. 

Original Blu-ray: PS3

New Blu-ray: Oppo BPD-93

Both outputting 1080p60

Criterion CAV LaserDisc: Pioneer Elite CLD-79. Composite to a DVDO IscanHD. 720p60

Audio is all bitstream to a Pioneer VSX-1121, set to THX mode. Klipsch SC-1 center speaker (this is mono after all)

Results: to my eyes, the LD and 35th look very similar in tone and feel. The old Blu-ray feels like it has boosted colors, the wrong colors. Seems smoothed and not as detailed as the 35th. The LD actually looks terrific. 

Audio: The LD wins. Just has clarity the lossy original BD doesn't. Seems like the same mix. It works. The 35th disc's mono is a fold down and useless. The 7.1 track is fun. Nothing more. Not suitable for a presentation. 

I only used side 1 of the LD, so the comparison covers the opening to Loomis finding the matchbook. 

Sadly I sold the 99 DVD off years ago. I replaced it with the LD actually. :)

Totally. 

Just picked it up. Haven't done a close look at the image, but seems good to me.  Better for sure. 

The mono audio though. Holy shit it sucks. It's not original at all as folks have said. Wow. A fold down and a really bad one at that. Just abominable. 

The original Blu-ray mono sounds like the Criterion to me. That is, at least period accurate. 

If the LaserDisc audio doesn't surface, I'll just sync to the old blu-ray audio. 

But calling something definitive brings certain connotations.  I guess I'm arguing more semantics than anything.  If folks want to preserve the 1999 look, that's totally cool.  But calling it definitive isn't entirely accurate if you ask me.  Sure Cundey approved it, but he also approved the latest Blu-ray.  

Sadly, I'd venture to say most prints are pink by now so who knows.

Stamper said:

The way it looked in 1978 is not "definitive" because it was a crap, ultra low budget film that barely allowed the filmmaker to fill up their intended look, the prints were probably made with the cheaper prints factory out there, why would anyone want to preserve the cheap look? This is BLU RAY we don't want a preservation of the cheap, we want the BEST PRESENTATION.

1999 THX got it right. 

Could the same be said for Star Wars too?  

Seriously...aren't we in this to preserve the original look, even if it was shit?

^^^To add to that...are those different than the mono track on the initial Blu-ray release?