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Post: #243093
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: The Crawl on Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243093/action/topic#243093
Time: 12-Sep-2006 2:30 AM

Originally posted by: zombie84
This still doesn't answer the question though: why is it different than the EOD crawl? Clearly the EOD crawl is newly struck from a film source, however the OOT crawl is very different, in terms of image quality, image characteristics and colouring.

The EOD crawl was coloured to match the 2004-crawl colouring. The EOD suffers more compression then the OUT, and the EOD crawl seems to be cropped differently (however, this could be because it's the "whole frame", and the OUT disc is cropped to the anamorphic ratio).

Post: #243085
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: The Crawl on Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243085/action/topic#243085
Time: 12-Sep-2006 1:33 AM

Originally posted by: zombie84
Thats exactly what I am looking for! OK, let me put an end to this nonsense right now.

1. This is a scan of the actual film print supplied by Zion:

Originally posted by: Zion
Even better. Here is a scan of an original 77 print (let's just say this is from the "X0 Project archives"):

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7321/crawl77printus1.jpg

This would pretty much prove that not only does the OUT release look to have the original starfield, but so does Empire of Dreams and the 2004 DVD. Which begs the question, why did the other releases not have this starfield? I wonder if the "A New Hope" theatrical version had this "new" starfield as well.

And here is another scan. This one shows one of the last frames the Star Wars logo is visible:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4549/crawl77print2ii9.jpg

This would confirm that the OUT trailer crawl is somehow doctored, seeing that the logo is nowhere near this faded away in the clip and the crawl is farther along.

2. Here are Zion's comparison-shots, but with an OUT-DVD screenshot (by me) included:

Credits go to Zion for supplying most of these screen-shots:

Definitive Collection Laserdisc (X0 capture):

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5743/crawldcyk4.jpg

2004 DVD:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2128/crawl2004fs1.jpg

Empire of Dreams:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/278/crawleodeo4.jpg

2006 "Bonus" DVD:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6239/crawloutdvdjk3.jpg

OUT Trailer:

And here is another shot comparison:

Empire of Dreams:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4930/crawleodgx6.jpg

2006 "Bonus" DVD:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7231/crawloutei4.jpg

It is the original crawl.Originally posted by: zombie84
Thats exactly what I am looking for! Surprise surprise--identical to the trailer, is it not?

No, actually, it's clearly identical to EOD. this just proves that what you "were looking for" you would see no matter what was posted.

Post: #243051
Topic: my memory isn't that bad, is it? (in SW '77 - Luke misses with the grappling hook?)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243051/action/topic#243051
Time: 11-Sep-2006 10:23 PM

Just like I can swear when I saw "Hannibal" in cinemas... and then bought the DVD less then a year later that it was missing a shot where they cut the brain!! It was the very first thing I noticed...

... but then... what do you know... it was never their in the movie to begin with. The mind plays tricks!

Post: #243050
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243050/action/topic#243050
Time: 11-Sep-2006 10:18 PM

Originally posted by: vbangle
The image at top is Boris Capture and the image on the bottom is from the X0 website....
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5702/vadercomparecy5.jpg
Is this Vader from "ROTJ" or "Coneheads"? Anybody else see the conehead? Look closely at where
both heads are orientated in the frame...They look to be occupying the same space in the frame, it's just
the GOUT Vader seems to be stretched out a bit. My capture hasn't been resized, it's in PAL resolution - so on a computer monitor it will look "stretched"... as I see Zion caught onto "Keep in mind that PAL has more vertical resolution, which would make the frame appear stretched on your computer."

Originally posted by: Darth Richard
the X0 cap looks so much better!

Personally, to me the X0 looks more processed and the brightness seems a little too much. Also, some of the very fine detail has been lost in the X0 version. I wouldn't be prepared to say either is definitively a "better picture" there, but keep in mind that the X0 has not yet been compressed for DVD (which will always lead to smoothing), and that you really can't tell from a screen capture, you have to see it in motion to fully appreciate any difference in quality.Originally posted by: Vigo
Either your settings are incorrect, or it is indeed true that the PAL DVD´s are upscaled NTSC. On some shots, it is clearly evident.

An NTSC up-conversion will still look better then NTSC. Has it been scaled? I don't know for certain. You cannot tell just from looking at my screencaps and saying "hey there's a bit of aliasing here". The detail is very good though, and while there are some softer-focus scenes... (especially the out-door ones), the picture really isn't "too soft".

I find the picture on my non-anamorphic NTSC Criterion Robocop disc to look better then the Anamorphic PAL MGM version. The criterion disc was made from the old master used for their laserdisc release... and it really does look great. Maybe not 10/10... but certainly a 7/10. The image is honestly so much more pleasing then the MGM. Here are some screen caps:

Robocop:
Scene 1: Criterion MGM
Scene 2: Criterion MGM
Scene 3: Criterion MGM

There is a difference in detail… between the two star wars discs… but it's not huge.

Post: #243043
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: The Crawl on Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243043/action/topic#243043
Time: 11-Sep-2006 9:26 PM

It's the original crawl.

Post: #242867
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242867/action/topic#242867
Time: 11-Sep-2006 11:30 AM

Originally posted by: Moth3r
What method did you use to obtain the sceen shots?

And if it's not too much trouble, I would like to get shots of the frames used on my comparison page. (I've ordered the PAL DVDs, but haven't received them yet.)

PowerDVD, Capture to File, Original video source size. I don't think the video settings affect the capture, but anyway "Use Profile" is set to "Original". They're just raw caps, I've converted them to PNG... but I've not resized them or edited them in any way. I know saving as JPEG's not going to do much damage... but hey they're raw caps... what you see is exactly what you get (though, you really have to see the movie to appreciate the quality). Ozkeeper seems to rate the image quality at "5 or 6", so it's only an opinion anyway, but I'm very happy with the overall quality on the first movie... I'll watch empire and jedi later (from the looks of empire it's going to have more grain).

Post: #242860
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242860/action/topic#242860
Time: 11-Sep-2006 10:38 AM

Originally posted by: THX
Thanks for posting those, boris. If you have time, could you get together with Moth3r and make caps that match ***The NEW "official" Screenshots thread ***? Sure thing, give me a couple of days.Originally posted by: Ozkeeper
8 is being pretty generous. I'd say 5 or 6.

The colour is just about perfect, the contrast is consistent... the image does drop in quality... especially the out-door shots, but I have a strong feeling this is due to the negatives... it drops to around a 7/10 quality... but it rises to an 8.5 and 9/10 quality in other scenes. There's very little digital scratches/glitches... there are some (hallelujah!) and it's certainly not an amount to worry about. You've certainly seen more scratches on a james bond movie.

The un-steady "movement" is, I believe, due to the way a film camera works. It can't guarantee every frame gets a perfect field of view, and at the same time all the moving parts cause the camera to physically "shake" a little. The camera-shake is something that exists on the negatives, and is a by-product of shooting on film. Removing that is like removing the film grain, which is like colourizing a black and white movie. It's not distracting, and it is normal. Godfather has worse camera-shaking going on.

There's some aliasing here and there (there isn't much though) - but on the whole it's a very nice transfer. It's a nice and sharp picture, with good colour... the screenshots don't do it justice, you have to actually watch the movie to fully appreciate it. I popped the '04 disc in and watched a couple of scenes… it does have more detail in the image, so it's a bit better… but on the whole it's not that much better. The soundtrack is very good.

Post: #242851
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242851/action/topic#242851
Time: 11-Sep-2006 9:05 AM

The movie has never looked this good! Sure it's not quite as sharp as the SE... but it's damn good, the colours are wonderful. I'd say image quality gets about an 8/10 (I've only watched Star Wars, I'm not talking about the other 2 at this point)... I was overjoyed as the original crawl came on screen!

Here are some RAW, un-resized PNG screenshots... hopefully someone else can post NTSC counter-parts for them (I'll be posting more for ESB and ROTJ later)

SW: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

ESB: 1 2

ROTJ: 2 3 4 5

Total size of all above PNG images is 3.23MB.

Post: #242629
Topic: Important Questions I need answered about original triliogy about to be released on DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242629/action/topic#242629
Time: 10-Sep-2006 10:31 AM

Originally posted by: 34thisyear
2) After Luke picks R2 back up after being spat out of the swamp creature, Luke says "you're lucky you don't taste very good". It was changed as most of us I assumed picked up to "you're lucky to get out of that" I regard this as about worst change done.

Actually it wasn't changed, they're both theatrical lines.

Post: #242620
Topic: Letterboxed to anamorphic video conversion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242620/action/topic#242620
Time: 10-Sep-2006 9:00 AM

Originally posted by: wmgan
If you want burnt-in subtitles, you would use the VobSub filter in AviSynth. Why would you want to have burnt-in subs without making any other changes to the video?

I don't have a widescreen TV, there are 3 TV's in the house... and only one has a 16:9 mode. Therefore, I don't need to make it anamorphic yet... but I hate player invoked subtitles... they're an eye-sore.

Post: #242619
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242619/action/topic#242619
Time: 10-Sep-2006 8:48 AM

Nice work! Now I've got to figure out what covers to post in my next posting-spree!

Post: #242604
Topic: In defence of the 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242604/action/topic#242604
Time: 10-Sep-2006 4:43 AM

Originally posted by: Laserman
The thing that riles me the most, is I really would have welcomed a technically fixed trilogy.
Just doing the comps digitally instead of optically, getting rid of the matte lines, colouring in the sabres where required and fixing bad jump cuts with the sabres and the dodgy camera shakes etc. Even removing the cardboard people at the end.

...

Creating an 'almost' original release of ANH would be so so easy for them, it drives me nuts that they won't do it, and won't release the elements at a decent rez to allow others to do it.

I'm eagerly awaiting to see how the PAL release of the OUT comes out, but am determined that a glitch free version of ANH will be done, and if Lucasfilm won't step up to the plate.... But Laserman... isn't that like colourization - "well we would have filmed it in colour if we could, but were were techincally unable to do that at the time, and so we're colourizing the movie to bring back our original vision"... or what about replacing stop-motion effects in Robocop 1 and 2 with CGI? Hmm?

I think Lucas hears "we don't want ALL the changes, we just want THESE ones".

And he's in charge, he can edit them all he wants... and the last thing he'll ever be obligated to do is edit them the way some fans may want them. I'm fine with this... in fact, I've started to like the SE a little more now... don't get me wrong - it's still awful... but there are parts I like. However, I would prefer the O-OT to the SE. There does not need to be any changes, or fixes for me. They don't need to go back to Terminator 1 and paint out the visible wires... it's fine how it is. They don't have to go back to The Exorcist and paint out the wires (which took me at least 5 viewing to finally see)... it's fine how it is. They don't have to paint out the wires in any old movie, they don't need to fix the glitches... I much rather see it how it was when released - they're not "perfect"... they don't have to be perfect... they just have to be original. And I'm not THAT fussy... you know, many directors cuts are fine - as mostly they don't try to hide technical limitations of the time - but the original should still be available.

The DVD is exactly what I want. It's theatrical, it's DVD quality... it's unaltered. Ok... it may not be the highest DVD quality ... but it'll still be better then my vhs tapes.. or the LOOK DVD's that I have... or the other ld-rips I have like dr-gonzo's.

Waa Waa I want I want I want I want. FFS this is what I want, it's perfectly acceptable - it's not the greatest ever quality - but hey I can live with that. The soundtrack should be excellent though! The menus are beautiful.I would greatly prefer seeing this image in standard definition than the above two in HD.

I have to agree there.

Post: #242582
Topic: Letterboxed to anamorphic video conversion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242582/action/topic#242582
Time: 10-Sep-2006 1:00 AM

Originally posted by: wmgan
No, I wouldn't crop out the "Greedo text" because the subtitles aren't burned into the video -- they're in a separate track, so they can be added again when authoring the DVD (though I realize now they may look stretched since they were designed for non-anamorphic video). And the process would be similar for PAL, just with different dimensions.

Is it possible to replace them with burnt-in subs, and if so how do you do it... and if you do, and assuming you didn't convert to anamorpihc... would you still need to reencode the entire DVD or just that part?

Post: #242581
Topic: My store just got the new DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242581/action/topic#242581
Time: 10-Sep-2006 12:58 AM

Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
It's amazing the shit that Lucas worries about...fuckin' shadows , and bullshit background details so minute that nobody noticed them to begin with. That shit he loses sleep over, yet having an entire prequel trilogy without anything resembling a story, a script, drama, or human emotion is what he passes off as his artistic vision. Vision my ass!

Fuck who knows what goes through his mind! "I've always wanted to have Luke not scream when he jumps off in ESB... that's why I changed it, back". Or "hey I've always wondered why Han didn't fall off in this scene... and then I remembered, I dropped a page of the script that read "Han wastes time and ties ropes to his feet first".

http://starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/49.jpg

Why on Earth Chewbacca still needs to hold is a mystery known only to Lucas.

Post: #242580
Topic: Capture 1.33:1 with Dscaler
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242580/action/topic#242580
Time: 10-Sep-2006 12:50 AM

Oh, I didn't realise you were talking about resizing a movie.. and not a capture. heh

Post: #242579
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242579/action/topic#242579
Time: 10-Sep-2006 12:41 AM

OK, here are three essential cover sites:

1. Falle's Place

http://www.thomas-anders.dk/fp/images/covers/swbox.jpg

http://www.thomas-anders.dk/fp/images/covers/sworiginal.jpg

http://www.thomas-anders.dk/fp/images/covers/sw95alvin.jpg

...and more.

2. DanB/Plamdi

http://plamdi.com/images/movies/set_singles_1.jpg

http://plamdi.com/images/movies/saga.jpg

http://plamdi.com/images/movies/set95.jpg

...and more.

3. Last, but by no means least: Grisan's Cover Collection

By Blaksvn (Rikter).

By Fatboy Roberts.

By ShuMai.

...and more.

And here are three more... essential covers from my rather extensive collection.

1. Darth Solo's Manga Covers

Covers: Star Wars, Empire and Jedi.

Disk labels: Star Wars, Empire and Jedi.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6041/japset6rl.jpg

2. Fusionaddict

http://www.fusionaddict.net/gallery/sw_v_4/sw_v_4_set.jpg

Very nice!!!

3. PepsiOtaku's box art... I don't think anyone else has released a BOX design quite so inspired.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/522/swbox15ym.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6650/swbox29tl.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8662/swbox31kf.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1051/swbox40gl.jpg

They're each meant for 5 cases. I recommend using some kind of matboard for the material, or cardboard of the same thickness if you can find it. Enjoy!

Post: #242570
Topic: Letterboxed to anamorphic video conversion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242570/action/topic#242570
Time: 9-Sep-2006 11:43 PM

Won't you crop out the greedo text? is the process the same for PAL?

Post: #242569
Topic: My store just got the new DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242569/action/topic#242569
Time: 9-Sep-2006 11:36 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
All the other '04 changes are too sharp and videogame-ish. Especially....

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/32.jpg

Yeah I was going to say that shaddow is awful... in fact, both are. Look at the other one... the shaddow is bigger then the ship! Now how can that be?

Post: #242466
Topic: Idea: Personalized preservation possible with September 2006 OT DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242466/action/topic#242466
Time: 9-Sep-2006 11:53 AM

Originally posted by: calamari
Perhaps I should wait until I get the OUT discs before I say this, but this project seems to be obsolete (so far the leaked images look great). Since I started the project I have come to realize how screwed up the 2004 discs actually are. So, I don't think that my project will really buy a whole lot.. except maybe a nice tool to cut and join clips.. pretty sure these types of tools already exist. I certainly no longer have any interest in combining the 2004 and 2006 discs.

I feel much the same way. Maybe others will want to carry-on though?

This was one of the few sensible de-SE threads... because anyone can do it themselves! And you can't beat DIY.

Post: #242460
Topic: Capture 1.33:1 with Dscaler
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242460/action/topic#242460
Time: 9-Sep-2006 11:05 AM

Originally posted by: nin
Well, how should I do to capture 1.33:1 with dscaler5? Right now I can only capture in 720X480 making the image to have wrong ratio. Are there anything I can change so record in 640X480? Or must I change the ratio in virtualdubmod and would this have a bad effect on the image (recording 720x480 for 640x480 matrial and resixe it in VDM)?

720x480 is 1.33:1 or 16:9 NTSC. I don't know about dscaler5... even microsoft paint can resize the image for you.

Post: #242459
Topic: My store just got the new DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242459/action/topic#242459
Time: 9-Sep-2006 10:56 AM

Or a helluva lot worse. Who wants to see a purple desert? Or an over-bright sky?

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/55.jpg

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/44.jpg

Or purple hair?

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/47.jpg

Or bright blue walls and no stars in space?

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/66.jpg

Special Edition,, you can FUCK OFF!

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/75.jpg

Has Vader died early? He looks a little pale... FUCK OFF!

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/79.jpg

Hey, do you know that those bright-blue splotches in the pallet, means FUCK OFF!

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/80.jpg

Purple and pink in the explosion, means it can FUCK OFF!

http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/release/video/f20060908/20060908_picview/img/91.jpg

Fuck off.

PS: f-off's are aimed at the SE not at any person, member and/or poster.

Post: #242458
Topic: Lowest Priced OOT DVD Search.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242458/action/topic#242458
Time: 9-Sep-2006 10:43 AM

Is the rebate US-only?

Post: #242391
Topic: Idea: Personalized preservation possible with September 2006 OT DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242391/action/topic#242391
Time: 8-Sep-2006 11:01 PM

Originally posted by: boris

Originally posted by: calamari
Of course. This should be covered by the partial frame re-encoding feature I hope to include. I did some reading on the subject, and this technique is mentioned on the doom9 boards, with a hardware device given as an example that it can be done (it put studio logos/overlays on digital footage, etc). It is very encouraging to me that someone has been able to pull this off. I wasn't sure it was even possible.

I just stumbled upon this page:

http://pigseye.kennesaw.edu/~dhirschl/starwars/

it might help

Greedo font is there.

Btw, did I mention, BUMP!

Post: #242389
Topic: My store just got the new DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242389/action/topic#242389
Time: 8-Sep-2006 10:44 PM

meh, they'll retail around US$16 here... that's cheap enough for me.

Post: #242386
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: Are my eyes deceiving me?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242386/action/topic#242386
Time: 8-Sep-2006 10:41 PM

Originally posted by: bomma
I noticed that in ANH even on the 2004 transfers R2 while is space is still black? Are my eyes deceiving me or has anyone else noticed that. Why go to all of the trouble of fixing him in Empire but not doing the same on ANH? Who was supervising this effort anyway?

Starwars.com confirmed they used a black R2 for bluescreenshots. The mystery is solved!