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#249451
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your buying the PT all over again in Blue ray !!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by: boris
I won't be buying the Sony console - I continue to despise the company after their rootkits...
And here's an even more off-topic side-note:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1266/emicrapqe4.png
(EMI)

Well isn't that funny? Because:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/391/winaui8.png

WinAmp doesn't seem to mind.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8044/mpcha4.png

Nor does Media Player Classic.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/311/wmpxi2.png

And even Windows Media Player seems happy enough to play the CD ... how does it do it? According to the CD's autoplay it needs to install some updated files before I can listen to my CD...

EMI, if you're listening, that was the LAST CD of yours I will purchase, thank you. You are as bad as Sony - if not worse. Oh and for the record, I've never copied this CD, nor ripped the tracks to my HDD, nor ripped them to an MP3 player - I've only listened to it (which is what I purchased the CD for).



Now, to get back on topic - I'm not buying the PT on Blu-Ray, because they'll be even further modified, and also because Sony can kiss my rear end and they seem to be butt-buddies with Blu-Ray, so no thank you. HD-DVD... MAYBE... in like 8 or 9 years.
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#249450
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your buying the PT all over again in Blue ray !!!!!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249450/action/topic#249450
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Either way, I still intend to purchase a PS3 simply for the gaming console aspect at least (I'll share the cost with my girlfriend ). I might wait before buying any kind of movie library though. I also don't know if I'll wait a few months and hope the PS3's price drops or if I'll buy a "launch" system.
I know this is off topic, but Nintendo promised the price of the Wii will be "at most" half the price of the PS3! I don't hold much hope (or respect) for Sony, but I do think Microsoft will be the market leader this time around. MS got in before Sony or Nintendo, and their units will drop in price first. But Nintendo's will be US$250 (or possibly less) at release, so they'll certainly have a chance. A lot of Sony fans prefer Sony because it has a wider range of titles than Nintendo... and I think that MS would have caught many of those consumers in their net this time around, getting in before PS3 - and let's face it, XBOX shits all over PS2. Nintendo will always strive to be the name in quality and innovation... but I don't know if that's going to be enough to win consumers this time around. After all, Microsoft's controllers are USB compatible - then again, Nintendo is 100% backwards compatible with GameCube - AND has the ability to play their NES, SNES and N64 back-catalogue... this could be enough for me, if I could play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark again, I wouldn't even mind paying for it a 2nd time round! I think in the end though, this fierce competition is going to help build grater consoles and make far better gaming. I won't be buying the Sony console - I continue to despise the company after their rootkits... so buying a PS3 is out of the question. The other two, however are looking strong.
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#249426
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your buying the PT all over again in Blue ray !!!!!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249426/action/topic#249426
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Originally posted by: Zion
They're going to buy whicever one has more attractive media or simply more titles in general. Funny how VHS beat BETA even though it was released after BETA had already many titles on the market.
Only in the sense that DVD once was primarily for videophiles when it first came out and players cost hundreds of dollars. If the evolution of DVD is anything to go on, five years from now Blu-ray players (or HDDVD, in the unlikely event it wins out) will most likely cost less than $200 and there will be more Blu-ray media for sale in stores than DVDs. This is only possible if the market supports it. You can't sell a product to a market who doesn't want the product. And besides, when HD-DVD and BluRay come out people will choose the one which is better value, the one which is cheaper. Just like most people buy one of the cheaper model DVD players, even though it may not have all the features of the more expensive players. Who is going to buy HD-DVD or BluRay when most people don't have HD-TV sets yet? When, in fact some countries haven't even yet worked out approved specifications for their HD-TV format yet!These folks ALL refer to the technology generically as "HD DVD". They make no distinction between the two an coudn't tell the difference between them, and neither could anyone else.
One of the things I once heard on the radio many years ago now, was someone trying to promote DVD's. This was before all DVD players were region-free, and I'll never forget it because the caller wanted to ask where he could get a region-free player, and the guy promoting the DVD format explained he could not help with it and that he believed in region coding. But the saddest thing about it was the caller referred to our region as being Region Five, and he never corrected the caller to explain the correct region number. Joe public doesn't care about the theory of it - they want to experience it, learn from their friends and family who've bought the product - and follow them to make better decisions. People are going to buy the better format, not the technically superior format.And then you have the more techie folks who are almost all taking the "wait and see" position, as am I.
That's exactly what they'll do.
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#249349
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your buying the PT all over again in Blue ray !!!!!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249349/action/topic#249349
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Actually, Wikipedia is always very reliable. I disagree, whenever I go to Wikipedia and look up a page about something I'm familiar with I always find at least one error I need to correct. Check out the page on Glass... "Glass is a uniform amorphous solid material" is the very first thing said! So much for being neutral. There is a real debate over whether glass is classed as an "amorphous solid" or a liquid. "One common misconception is that glass is a liquid... Glass is generally treated as an amorphous solid rather than a liquid, though different views can be justified since characterizing glass as either 'solid' or 'liquid' is not an entirely straightforward matter." Again, so much for neutrality.And for the record....it's spelled Blu-Ray, not Blue-Ray, and this news is very old.
For the record YOUR != YOU'RE.

Also, one of the problems with Wikipedia is that people edit out the truth and put what they think is right in there. And if enough people think their version is right, then it stays... Wikipedia just ends up with the popular POV, not the truth - and it's certainly not neutral.
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#249029
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For Those who bought the Sept. 12th Release, Thoughts so far?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249029/action/topic#249029
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-Is the non-anamorphic quality bothering more than you thought?

This is a mute point, I have other non-anamorphic DVD's, and I don't have a 16x9 TV.

-Is the quality actually better than you expected?

Not really, it's pretty much as I expected. Some scenes look a little better then I would have originally expected, and then the aliasing problems in a couple of scenes seem to even that out.

-Are you just putting aside any quality issues and just enjoying the movies again pre-97?

The quality is more then acceptable to enjoy the movies, and the sound mix (even if it is the '93 mix some people don't like) sounds wonderful.

-Have you put your hands up, and just become disgusted with Lucas and SW in general now?

No.

-Has it made you want to watch the PT movies and become a saga fan PT + O-OT, or are now a true O-OT fan and the story ends with ROTJ, and begins with SW.

I do enjoy the PT as well, but for very different reasons to how I enjoy the OT.

-Have you pushed others to buy it who were on the fence?

Sadly no one else I personally know has bought the set.

-If a remastered O-OT never comes out again, will you be content with this set?

No. In another 10 years I expect a remastered OUT to be released, until then this one will do.
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#248615
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POLL: Who Leaked the XØ Timecode to the public?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248615/action/topic#248615
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
what happened?
Somehow the X0 timecode got leaked and uploaded to a torrent. No one seems to know who, how or why. But here's a new peice of evidence which may help solve the case.

We know it wasn't the current version that was uploaded... so this seems to exclude X0 project members and their famalies. But it doesn't mean they took the upload of the older version down right away. Because someone had already downloaded it, and was working on cracking the RAR/ZIP password. Now Rikter's leak of JupiterPrime's covers, makes him a prime suspect. He's also known to upload many torrent files. Think about it: He has no morals, he's not butt-buddies with the X0 team... he does what he wants!

PS: Then again, Rik took down all his SW torrents when the OUT DVD was announced... this could indicate that it wasn't him!
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#248613
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248613/action/topic#248613
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Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
What are you trying to accomplish here exactly? You're posting for no other reason than to get under the forum's collective skin. I think you'll find it's not I who encourages flaming. In fact, I avoid flaming. Now you're going to go on about my moral high-horse, or flame me for some other reason. If flaming is the marks of a troll - then I could name a few trolls here. Flaming, is not constructive. I mean; you're welcome to call my posts shit, and to call me a troll and to say I'm stupid. I don't resort to doing that when arguing here, as I'm sure you can appreciate.
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
Honestly - "Posting in the thread as a critic." Do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds? Well, maybe to you it does sound stupid. Everyone has their critics. Do you know how stupid it sounds to me when I hear "I hate Lucas" or "I don't want to give Lucas my money"? Isn't it funny how they use the term "Muslim Extremist" these days to refer to Muslim Terrorists. Now I'm not a Muslim, but it seems to me that a Muslim can have extreme faith without being a terrorist? Just using that term has opened up the door to call all Muslims with rich faith terrorists.

A lot of you are also blind to the fact of the kind of "fans" you've become. OK, I don't like the special editions either, so I can understand being a fan of the OOT... I consider myself a to be one.

But you also seem to assume you have other beliefs in common as well:

1. That as OOT fans, you hate the Prequels.
2. That as OOT fans, you hate Lucas.
3. That as OOT fans, you hate the SE's.

I don't see what any of these 3 points have to do with being an OOT fan. I do hate the SE's myself... but I don't see it as being the reason I'm an OOT fan... you could well be an OOT fan and a SE fan. And it doesn't just end there either, a lot of forum members here want it *their way*. Now for fan-edits, I can understand this... it is interesting to see fan edits. But it's not ... it's a case of "we should have it our way. Grain removed, matte lines and boxes removed, the orange blob under the speeder fixed, all optical composite replaced with digital ones... the sound up-mixed to 5.1 like they did for the SE"...

Which is why I understand when Lucas said that there are Extreme fans who want it their way, but he made it and wants to have it his way. So sure, my posts may well sound stupid to you. There's a lot that sound stupid to me.Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
This is a thread catered to a specific fan-based preservation, if you're not interested in supporting it there are plenty of other threads in this forum you can use to occupy your [clearly] precious time.
And there's plenty of things you could do to occupy your precious time too. Are you flaming me for the ways in which I choose to spend my time?Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
The only person interested in hearing your feelings regarding the X0 Project is yourself, you do realize this - right? You're like a confused, obnoxious parrot.
So what you're saying is that you only want to see posts in this thread that agree with your point of view?

PS: please continue this discussion at my thread, rather than this thread:

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=6717
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#248524
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248524/action/topic#248524
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Originally posted by: Laserman
As someone who spent 5 years risking my own life pulling people out of the water that decided to swim outside the flags and got swept out in a rip, all I can say is people that do that drive us crazy.
I've been caught in many rips, Laserman, not once did I need any help out of them.

People, as I'm sure you would know, only need help when they don't know what they're getting themselves into. Kind of like people who get sunburnt (you should know that). Like I said, lifesavers do a great job, but I don't need to use (ie freeload off) their services.

What I find disturbing is the fact that so many people here intend to freeload off the X0 project as an alternative to LD's/DVD's. And the fact I can't even post in fun anymore without being told I'm a troll.

And yes, I do notice the trails and smearing, especially in ESB - but it still doesn't bother me. I once watched a movie in a cinema, got almost a minute of the picture cut out (the sound still worked)... and had no refund.

I also think sometimes, you guys are misleading people about the X0 project's quality. I mean, wasn't it you who said the OUT '77 crawl was recreated using CG? AND mverta? I know you guys didn't start the controversy, but still...

And what about the issues of sound and video? It's already apparent there's more visible grain on the OUT - this can only mean it's a better presentation then the LD's. I know you're saying that you're cleaning up the video frame-by-frame, however Lucasfilm did this in 1993, and *most* of what you're cleaning up is LD defects, rather than film defects.

Yes I'm a critic of this project, I don't think it's a bad project or anything - but I just think that a lot of forum members here are:

1. seeing it as an alternative to the OUT rather than a preservation...

and/or

2. seeing it as being much better then the OUT.

Zion says it's like a hobby for him, so fair enough. But if you, Laserman, are investing thousands of hours and blood sweat and tears to produce something that may at the very very best - be marginally better then the OUT - then I think you really have lost grip on reality. To spend so much time, and so much effort, for so little to me seems futile.

I'm posting here as a critic. The project does have some fantastic points about it, don't get me wrong... I just don't think it would be worth it to me to spend as much time as you 4 have preparing a preservation which is only going to be slightly better then the retail release, at best.

I have a lot of respect for you Laserman, and for Zion, and for mverta. You are all fantastic people, so please don't act as if I'm here throwing insults.. it is not my intention.
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#248458
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248458/action/topic#248458
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Originally posted by: vbangle
Boris, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you trying to piss the MODS off? Quit being a troll and come back to the light... What's wrong with you? Is joking suddenly forbidden here?
Originally posted by: vbangle
You know what's sad and ironic about you Boris? That my name is actually George Walton Lucas?Originally posted by: vbangle
With all your BS, convoluted "factual" knowledge, and moral high ground, you will still get your hands on a copy of the X0T when it's done...
According to the people who called me George Lucas a while ago, I own a technicolour dye-transfer and don't need laser-disc rips.Originally posted by: vbangle
you know it and I know it, but you'll never admit it. It is a shame that trolls like you will get to benifit from the X0 team's hard work....
I'm sorry but you must be delusional. IF I did decide to download the X0 rips, I would have no problem admitting it.

On the other hand, I am very happy with the DVD's I purchased. What interesting about people like you vbangle, is that you can't seem to understand that people like me regard the X0 project as a great idea, but with little actual interest in it. The lifesaver's flags at the beach are a great idea, but I don't use them. And no, I don't get tempted to go and swim between them.

It's so sad that some "X0" fans will complain and complain and complain about the level of picture detail on the OUT (the don't complain about the colours, saturation or brightness, mind you)... and then when it comes to the X0 ... which they know is going to have less detail then the 2006 OUT, they start saying how the X0 is going the better because of the "overall" look, or because the soundtrack will be uncompressed. It's sad to see people reduced to this kind of reasoning. Mind you, the X0 doesn't include the original 1977 crawl... but I'm sure you "OOT fans" can live without that, right ?

Sure, you know, maybe ... just maybe I will download the X0 one day, I can't say I won't for certain, so I'll concede that it's *possible*. But hey, at least I'm a happy owner of the 2006 OUT.
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#248443
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248443/action/topic#248443
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Did you all ever figure out how that timecoded version of the raw capture got out there? You might have posted about that and I missed it, but I was reminded of it tonight and am curious.
I know who it was. It was <edited by Mod>.



Okay, I think 1. it was a member here. 2. Someone, maybe Zion or MeBeJedi... or possibly Laserman, or perhaps the anonymous 4th member of the team uploaded the file to Rapidshare... or to Apt Irrelevance or something, and the ot.com member, who eventually uploaded it, went and downloaded it from where ever it was uploaded... and then cracked the password because MeBeJedi suggested the password should be "LucasSucks" (hey see, even I figured out the password!)

Now it can't have been Apt Irrelevance, because then Zion would have looked at the leachers IP and sifted through the IPs on this site... that is unless he used a proxy service while downloading it to cover his tracks.

Now knowing all this, I therefore think the best way to solve the case is to look at members here who fit the description of:
    X0 fan-boy

    Technical knowledge

    Wanted the timecode

    Is a moderator, and as such could have read the passwords out of PM's


I'm sorry Moth3r, but it simply must be you... or Jay. Think about it... okay don't, but hey it was fun trying to work it out anyway!

I think I'll make a poll of this over at the off-topic forum:

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=6717
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#248440
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POLL: Who Leaked the XØ Timecode to the public?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248440/action/topic#248440
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O.K. guys, for those of you who haven't yet worked this out... this thread is purely for entertainment. None of the above mentioned forum members should feel any disrespect because people are voting for them. I think all participants in this thread will realize that it's not to be taken seriously, and that all accusations are 1. unfounded, 2. unprovable, 3. unintelligent.

This is just a thread to have fun with the "who dun it" in all of us, and get a bit of conspiracy theory nonsense happening!
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#248438
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Who leaked the X0 Project to the public?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248438/action/topic#248438
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O.K. guys, for those of you who haven't yet worked this out... this thread is purely for entertainment. None of the above mentioned forum members should feel any disrespect because people are voting for them. I think all participants in this thread will realize that it's not to be taken seriously, and that all accusations are 1. unfounded, 2. unprovable, 3. unintelligent.

This is just a thread to have fun with the "who dun it" in all of us, and get a bit of conspiracy theory nonsense happening!
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#248433
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Info: What Has Changed? the 2006 OT DVD release...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248433/action/topic#248433
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Hey great idea!
Originally posted by: THX
The first thing I'd like to do is reword the descriptions, which are currently rather SE friendly, to make them more neutral (v1.1). I would welcome suggestions on the wording.
I actually thought the original descriptions are neutral enough. However, will you be adding in more scenes, like the star destroyer scene (sorry, that's the only other changed scene I know of that wasn't in the official comparison - it's not just the matte line, but the digital lens-flare too)?
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#248425
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What's Original '77 and What's Not?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248425/action/topic#248425
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Originally posted by: StarWarsFan1976
Also it seems like everyones aways looking at A New Hope's audio or diff in the way irt looks,
What? There is no "A New Hope"!

RE: Obi Jeewhyen, On the topic of subtitles...

Well, you're never going to get a "fully" 1977 theatrical version. For that to be possible, you'd have to own a cinema (a home cinema won't do... because you don't have those annoying kids at the back throwing food at you) which uses a projector, screen and speakers consistent with 1977 cinemas in your area.

I do agree it's not very good to have subtitles in the black bars, and I've even seen subtitles in cinemas which were placed so low that to read them your eyes can no longer focus on the picture! It's a problem with the use of the DVD format, not with whether or not it's "original".
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#248017
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Help Wanted: A request from babyhum: 'Ultimate Sci Fi Top 10' on UK TV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248017/action/topic#248017
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I'm sorry if I've caused conflict - but I don't mean to insult the members here, and I refuse to believe that getting a copy of something which you can legally choose to pay for is anything but freeloading. I said the same thing to people who claimed they would keep their VHS copies of SW, skip the OUT release and wait for the X0. Sharing fan edits and genuine preservations is a great idea. "Sharing" (ie freeloading) off stuff you have a choice to pay for isn't.

"I just got a new DVD, would you like me to burn you a copy?"

How about I share my copy of Windows XP with you all?

Now I'm not that familiar with the laws of the UK, so forgive me if I'm wrong - but isn't recording for yourself legal, but making copies of that recording for friends illegal? So that would mean that, legally, it's called freeloading.

Now lets take it back a notch... isn't it understood that to get a fan preservation, or a fan edit that you should, where possible, own a legal copy. Is that not the general understanding with the "sharing" of the fan-edits and preservations here, isn't that the "spirit of things"??

Baby Hum has said that he "can't afford" to have a Sky subscription (he then went and said something else that appears to contradict this) - but let's be honest here, if I can't afford a Porsche - then what right would have to expect to have a Porsche?

So even though baby hum has come on, publicly stated he is choosing not to buy this product, but he would like for someone to burn him a copy - no one except me seems to see a problem with this. Well we all have to choose how to spend our money. If baby hum would rather spend his money on life's other luxuries then on pay-tv, how is it that he can still expect to enjoy the benefits of pay-tv?

Until I get an intelligent reply, rather then the "you're so stupid, Boris" bullshit flaming I just keep repeating what I've already said.
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#247994
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Help Wanted: A request from babyhum: 'Ultimate Sci Fi Top 10' on UK TV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247994/action/topic#247994
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Originally posted by: baby hum
I thought this forum was to encourage sharing.
What?

Is that another way of saying "free-loading".

It seems to me that if you would like to watch something on Sky, then you should pay for Sky.

"I refuse to give Sky any more of my money"

And I'm sure they'll refuse to give you their services... [sarcasim] Hey anyone in Japan wanna go buy me a copy of Astro Boy - the complete series, and burn it to dvd for me? I don't think you can get the Japanese Language version here, and I refuse to give my money to the company who licensed the copyright to it. I'll pay you to burn me a copy, but I don't want to pay for it. [/sarcasim]

PS: It's freeloading.
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#247991
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OUT: PAL or NTSC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247991/action/topic#247991
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Wrong, come watch a fantastic B&W image on my Mitsubishi Black Diamond some time.

How old is it?

Wrong again. My old panasonic video wouldn't play NTSC tapes.

Is it older then 8 years old?

I don't know where you're shopping buddy, but I can't find a single store that sells NTSC region 1 DVDs.

It's true you see more R4 then anything else... but there's always some about which are usually over-priced. While you're at it pick up an R4 copy of Stars Of Star Wars... I'll think you'll find it's in NTSC.

Wrong again bud, ever used a PS2. Four strikes dude, you're outta there.

The PS2 isn't a real DVD player... in fact it can't even output true NTSC. It's still illegal for a retailer to sell a DVD player which isn't region-free.

PS: Sony doesn't even count, as I have a life-time boycott on all their products for the foreseeable future. I don't know how they get away with region-coding the PS2 for games and movies, but it is illegal.
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#247927
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247927/action/topic#247927
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
So, all that obfuscating math and prose just to show that I was right: anamorphic discs have 33% more resolution than non-anamorphic discs of the same format (the only reasonable way to compare).
Untrue, he was comparing to " all of your anamorphic DVDs"... not the other way round. If the OUT really had "33% LESS RESOLUTION than all of your anamorphic DVDs"... then the anamorphic version would have 50% more resolution then the non-anamorphic discs.

Q.E.D.
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#247926
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OUT: PAL or NTSC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247926/action/topic#247926
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Originally posted by: ThunderPeel2001
For starters: If the PAL DVD looks "softer", how can it also look "marginally better"? You qualify this statement with ignorance: Confusing the issue of "up-scaling" an interlaced SD source to a progressive HD output. This is NOT the same as "up-scaling" a DVD's image from 720x480 to 720x576, which is nothing more than "stretching" (not literally) the image to fill the extra lines of resolution and doesn't really offer any increase in quality. I disagree. Although you cannot add detail where there is no detail, it will look better because it uses more lines of resolution. That's all I was saying.

FYI: A few years ago, most progressive-scan players you could buy in R4 (PAL territory) played only NTSC in progressive scan! This included all Panasonic Progressive Scan Players at the time.

PS: it was up-scaled from 712x274 --> 720x376 (roughly). Why not see if you can see a difference in your computer monitor right now between 640x480 and 640x400?
By only altering every 12th frame, you can get 24 into 60 perfectly and not have to bother hear the PAL pitch problem at all! You've said that twice now. I don't think it's used as much as you do... and both times you said "24 into 60", I think you mean "24 into 50".
(One example, if you own an LCD TV with 960x540 native resolution). Yes, you'd be correct about LCD/Plasma TV's... however I would think that having an NTSC one would be even worse when trying to play PAL!
Actually, after trying out six TVs bought in the UK within the past 5 years, only one will handle pure NTSC (i.e. NTSC 3.58). The others will only give a colour picture with NTSC 4.43 or PAL-60. I think it's almost a legal obligation here to handle NTSC as standard... it may not be in the UK or Australia... but PAL-60 is still acceptable as almost all DVD Players will output that (the one's that don't are the ones that do a Player-upscale to PAL resolution when you select the PAL mode, instead of doing PAL-60).
Originally posted by: THX
1) not all UK (Region 2) based display devices support "NTSC";

  • All NZ TV's do.
    Originally posted by: THX
    2) not all UK (Region 2) based playback devices support "NTSC";

  • All NZ VCR & DVD players do.*
    Originally posted by: THX
    3) even where both do, they can be rendered effectively incompatible in some circumstances;

  • All NZ equipment plays NTSC just fine (and I'll remind you that you can find MANY NTSC DVD's imported from the US for sale here).
    Originally posted by: THX
    3) not all UK (Region 2) based playback devices support region 1 playback (i.e. are region-free/multi-region).

  • All NZ players are, by law.

    * And here's the best evidence I can find for this:
    http://www.ezydvd.com.au/extra/terminology.zmlPlease note: All DVD players sold in PAL countries (Australia) play both NTSC & PAL discs, but your TV monitor must be NTSC compatible in order to view in full colour. Please refer to your user manual or manufacturer to determine compatibility.
    • Oh and to Darth Editous, I cannot stand using abbreviations without apostrophes, and it's perfectly acceptable to use them when making plural abbreviations (in fact, it's better grammar then not IMHO). Here's a link I found on Google that proves my point:

    http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/lapost.htm

    Personally, I think you should be flaming people who write "your" in place of "you're".
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    Originally posted by: Moth3r
    I imagine it's because hardware bought in the UK may be optimized or calibrated for playback of PAL material.
    I disagree. Half the DVD's I own are NTSC, and a few DVD's that are officially released in our official region are released in NTSC; as it's a format our equipment can accept. I never have to adjust any of my TV's when playing NTSC.
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    Originally posted by: ThunderPeel2001
    THX: Why would you say that?

    All UK (Region 2) based TVs and DVD players output and display a pure NTSC signal, unless you think the electricity conversion alters the image somehow?!?
    All DVD players capable of playing PAL DVD's can play NTSC DVD's, and all TV's capable of displaying PAL made within the last 8 years or so can also display PAL-60 and NTSC.

    There's no advantage of importing a copy if you're from the UK, except maybe if the import saves you money. I don't understand why so many NTSC/PAL threads have popped up. Both DVD's contain the same detail, the PAL DVD is just ever so slightly softer; but the PAL image will look marginally better because it uses more lines of resolution. Laserman threw his PAL copy at Lucas and ordered an NTSC import... but really I think that was a silly idea. Think about it, a HD movie up-scaled from SD WILL LOOK BETTER then the original SD. So it only goes to reason that the same thing applies to this upscale, just on a smaller scale.

    As to why it's up-scaled, who knows... that's just the way it is. As for the overall quality, if you listen to some people here, they're shit. I tend to think the picture quality is quite acceptable - it's not perfect, and there are parts which look worse then others (I swear they shot the out-door tatooine shots with the wrong camera settings, so you shouldn't really read too much into the quality there)... and then again there are parts which almost look better then the 2004 DVD - and even have more fine detail then the 2004 transfer.

    American's hate PAL. And PAL-people hate NTSC. It's just a fact of life. PAL is a better system then NTSC for a number of technical reasons, and although every reputable source agrees that the increase in PAL's pitch is unnoticeable to the majority of the population, and that NTSC's jitter is noticed by many more; and the fact that some movies are even filmed not at 24FPS, but 25FPS ... and not just TV movies either, but Hollywood movies as well ... American's and other NTSC-people, but mostly American's still think their system is better. A member here even said that "anyone with a tin ear" can tell that PAL audio is sped up, when the pitch isn't adjusted (which it always is now these days anyway) - even though it only raises a semitone, and still sounds perfectly normal to at least 99% of the population, and probably more.

    Progressive scan is the one thing that helps fix the awfulness of NTSC... but it still doesn't make up for the fact that NTSC has 480 lines, and PAL has 576. The only real difference to PAL is that you can watch the entire movie a couple of minutes faster! Whether this is a bad thing is debatable, but for me I like concise movies. I love The Terminator because it's runtime is shorter then 2hrs, yet it is still a complete film.

    Star Wars is best enjoyed with the greatest quality DVD you can buy, yes, but it's not so important you would go and import a DVD just because you want it in the other format.