ben_danger

i was wondering how this could have been done a while back, but in a very non-star warsy way of introducing flash backs. the film would open near the climax of ROTJ when vader presents luke to the emperor, and would supplement a very abridged trilogy up to that point. you could potentially leave han in carbonite, and assume leia is on one of the cruisers if you wanted to cut out endor.

I like the idea that the turn to the Dark Side is not seen as a negative initially. Uncle Palpatine could be seen as the edgy radical as oppose to evil overlord, who achieves his goals by any means as oppose to doing the boring grown up thing.

The realisation that things have gone too far might be the point where we discover Obi-Wan isn't dead after his assassination or when Windu confronts Palpatine (You're in too far to turn back now boy!)

"Episode III - The Secret Apprentice" perhaps?

regularjoe said:

That is one horse that has been soundly beaten to death.

 ...or eaten by an alligator

The sith thing has come up before, I believe it is only mentioned in the ANH novel. Whether the intention was for this to be an organisation, or just a throwaway name who knows...

Personally I'd love to see the 'Sith' gone from the PT. If any Jedi can just fall to the DARK SIDE without necessarily buying into this secret organisation it makes the idea of turning bad far easier and much more tragic.

Any of us can become evil, angry or violent, we don't necessarily have to join an organisation to do so.

i wonder if any of the story could be re-purposed as 'bothan' spies for the opening? (bothans could just be humans)

brimforge said:

What if Geonosis had a Vortex Generator that allowed it to travel throughout space?

I didn't want to shoot down your idea/s brash or ben - it just came out of nowhere, without more context it was a very strange thing (like some others saw it too), BUT:

in light of the more complex synopsis changing "Episode 2" and getting closer to "Hidden Fortress", it's a really cool device ;-)

yeah i thought it'd be funny just to post something absurd up as a starting point!

i guess the geonosis travelling subplot unifies the enemy for this film. it becomes the death star/hidden fortress/princess eating dragon, and unifies the focus of the audience onto a single benevolent enemy.

should the planet be destroyed in the film, it would leave the seperatists with their fleet, which we could see destroyed in the following film. keeps it simple.

another idea thrown out ages ago was giving dooku a mask. this could allow additional footage to be filmed, and could allow for a 'big reveal' later in the film possibly.

he doesn't change his hat in 36 years?

I wondered if in a ROTS edit, anakin could slowly turn to the dark side, and only realise mid duel with obi-wan. At the point he realises he is now the monster, he could throw himself into the lava, essentially killing himself. Whatever is left continues to become Vader.

brimforge said:

sounds very ST to me ;-)

you thinking along the lines of "Project Hyperion" ?

 

hehe, and "Unicron" battles the Deathstar (or isn't he the same?)

Haha, I've never heard of that. Brash and I were sharing some ideas, and this was one of them.

I've been musing a fair bit on a restructured AOTC which places the Geonosis Arena and Escape at the start of the film, as suggested a while back.

This plot would steal some bits from TPM, as well as require some new footage to create a NEW episode 1.

A new plot point would be the factory world of Geonosis possessing a form of transportation which allowed it to travel to other star systems, launching surprise attacks, as well as also acting as a defense mechanism. Brash suggested that whatever was allowing the planet to do this could also possibly power the Death Star later on.

Thematically this would return to Star Wars' roots (Hidden Fortress), whilst not being too much of a Death Star rip off.

The Republic will already have a Navy and an Army, but no Clones. This smaller force would rescue both our heroes and the Jedi at the beginning of the film, who are clearly outmatched by the overwhelming Droids. During their escape, the Planet would activate its Transportation ability for the first time and disappear into some sort of vortex, sucking in some space ships and shattering its moon into fragments (creating the asteroid belt later on). It is not known what happens to the Planet at this point, people might assume it just destroyed itself. MYSTERY.

New footage of Navy officers and unmasked troopers would reinforce the lack of clones and allow for dialog opportunities outlining new points in the film. There would also need to be Separatist staff too, who would be seen operating machinery.

The film would then cut to Coruscant, where the threat is explored further. It is established that the Clone Army needs to be enlisted, although there is debate as to whether this is necessary. The senate itself is bombed, and numerous Senators are murdered in various assassination attempts which follow.

Anakin and Obi-wan's car chase is restructed to suggest a related investigation which leads to Padme's rescue (as oppose to them specifically protecting her). Somehow we will get to the point where the Assassin is assassinated by the Mandalorian, as the Poison Dart plot point is essential.

Padme is seen to be at risk, she is sent back to her home planet with Anakin. Now after the Opening scenes in the Arena there should be some chemistry between the two, so it should seem generally less awkward if editted right. Their time on Naboo continues throughout the film, suggesting a few weeks is spent there between inter-cutting scene's of Obi-wan and the Senate.

Obi-wan's investigations continue, exploring the Mysterious Poison Dart, asking the Jedi Droids, maybe visiting that fat Chef guy, and much later visiting the Jedi Temple to ask Yoda and the Archives. It is all leading to the 'missing planet' subplot, however this gap will not be Kamino, but will actually be Geonosis' original system (we realise the world moves around).

Meanwhile, a red planet appears in the Sky above Naboo, the Droids invade and conquer the world. Anakin and Padme make a daring escape from the Palace, and head back to Coruscant. The Senate gives Palpatine powers to enlist the Clones, and Yoda sends Obi Wan to the Clone Factories to see the Army.

Obi-wan arrives, see's the process, and meets Jango. At this point he'd see a row of Poison darts in his Quarters, and would realise he is the Assassin. They fight, Obi Wan tracks him to Geonosis' new location. They fight again, Obi Wan lands, he sends a message to the Council, and the Jedi, Clones, Fleet, EVERYONE heads to Geonosis for a big battle.

Anakin would need to travel from Coruscant with the army, but Padme stays behind. During the Battle Obiwan+Anakin find Dooku and fight him in the Vortex Control room. Dialogue from Dooku's prison conversation with Obi-wan is reused in the fight so everything is revealed about the Dark Lord.

The Republic defeats the Seperatists, and the Planet is incapacitated.

Yeah drawing upon the 'cave aesthetic' could be really good to explain some of this. It would change the way we interpret the cave in ESB then to reflect how we would see it in the earlier episodes.

I like the idea of having Maul as the 'failed' apprentice too. I was wondering a while back about a Clone Wars edit series (as a surrogate PT) and introducing Maul in the same way.

SO.

What if Geonosis had a Vortex Generator that allowed it to travel throughout space?

ah that little yoda edit is great! that has solved a little conundrum i've had in my head for a bit!

SSWR made a neat mockup aaaaages ago -

SSWR ROTJ ENDING

Another gripe with Ewoks is how much they take over in the finale of the film. If we left them behind (and avoided the party on Endor) it might feel a little less imposing.

Do the ewoks have to defeat the stormtroopers? or could they just momentarily distract them for the rebels to break free and fight their way to the bunker?

i wonder if in a super radical edit, that a heavily editted obi wan speech could be given AFTER the vader pyre?

surely this is the point where luke truly feels he is alone, now that the last other jedi - his father - is dead. obi wan at this point could suggest he isn't alone, and that he has his friends, at which point he goes to the ewok party.

Maybe they launch the cockpit into the core of the deathstar?

"YYYEEAAHHHAA!"

I assumed that her death wasn't retconned, but they suggested she survived, they do talk about her having revenge against skywalker.

I really love both series. Genndy Tartakovsky's certainly felt alot more OT though. I wasn't sure if it was a retcon, as the entire CG series was pretty late in the CW. Its a shame it wasn't a total retcon in a way, as seeing anakin's knighthood in the CG series would have been great for fanedits.

Well Yoda and Ben both mention that the Force is the product of living things. So I guess desert planets and deep space could be weaker environments for Jedi perhaps?

I guess every fan-edit saga could have its own rules and lore.

It'd be cool to see this explored more, as well as the death of Alderaan, as they could be quite similar explosions.

Perhaps if you were to re-choreograph the Death Star Battle, you could introduce some more Tie Fighters throughout the battle. Whilst Luke is in the trench, there could be other Rebel Fighters holding off more Ties. When the rebels withdraw, they could be pursued by these remaining fighters. The exploding chunks of deathstar could smash the Ties to bits as the rebels weave through and escape.

It'd murder the pace of the scene, but an edit might totally change the dynamic of the film anyway (such as a surviving Death Star for ROTJ).

you do make a point Jaitea, but as bingo said these are just ideas. no harm in talking about them. i'm concerned aswell about it being too much of a retread as mentioned earlier.

if DSII was a rebuilt DSI, it might be interesting to take the idea back into the PT aswell and have the seperatists actually start building the skeleton of the beast at geonosis. the republic could blow it apart as part of the battle, but essentially it would survive to become the Death Star, perpetuating itself again as this unkillable entity.

its ultimate defeat in ROTJ would be an immense payoff.

ewoks could still be a surprise, we don't see jabba in ANH for example (well we SHOULDN'T see jabba in ANH)

re-using yavin would be a retread, but what if it had changed since ANH?

there will be the corpse of the death star floating in orbit, with chunks of it floating around like asteroids.

much of the former rebel base could be burnt out and scorched, assuming the empire had attacked it later on. new footage of rebel soldiers could mention how brutal the following imperial attack was, suggesting that they might expect a similar treatment should they fail.

so if the DSII is actually the husk of DSI, could the endor moon actually be yavin IV?

it might make sense that it is stuck in orbit there. if the rebel strike was actually another target, the big twist could actually be that the metal beast is still alive.

jeez bingo, enough with the monarchy of transylvania again!