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#337922
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Inconsistent use of "the force"
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To me, the boundary is set by the fact they cannot do two things at once with the Force. Using a lightsaber is not a Force-power but a learnt skill, so they can attack and parry automatically without calling on the Force. You can see that they never use two skills at the same time and this is consistently throughout the saga, not just in the original or prequel trilogy.

The biggest example of this would be Yoda's rescuing of Obi-Wan and Anakin after the fight with Dooku. If he could utilise the Force in more than one effort, he'd have stopped the ship from leaving as well as hold off the ton of bricks coming down on his head.

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#337875
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Star Wars: One Death Star to Rule Them All (6 become 1) (* unfinished project *)
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You could still use Luke as part of the failed attack on the uncompleted DS, just have his 'great piloting skills' save him from 'getting a little cooked back there' as the fleet is escaping with their asses whipped. Of course, he wouldn't really get his medal either seeing as he didn't destroy the DS, so it'll be interesting to see how you resolve the medal ceremony - if there is one.

Looking forward to seeing this release. Good luck!

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#337861
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Inconsistent use of "the force"
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I'm gonna jump in here...feel free to shout me down if you like.

The whole 'Size matters not' comment, I feel, has been taken out of context. To me, it is not to imply that the Jedi had unlimited Superman style power but to indicate that someone shouldn't feel it is impossible just because a task or object is bigger than they thought it was. 'The Force is more than this crude matter' (or something like that) indicates that knowledge and is far greater than what we store it in. From that, the power comes from the confidence to use it in the correct manner. Limitation comes from not knowing how to apply that power.

Going off track for a moment, Bruce Lee had pretty much the same quote in different words - 'Having No Way As Way' meaning to limit yourself to one method means you deny the other 9 methods that would get you to the same result (if there were 10, of course!) In this case, Yoda means to show Luke that even though he is a tiny creature, he is able to tap into the Force to move an object far greater and heavier than he is.

Going back to why they just didn't wipe out huge armies with a flick of the wrist - of course it's a plot point, but also consider this: it obviously takes a lot of effort to tap into the Force to do a lot of things. Luke's retrieval of his lightsaber in ESB shows this to be the case, as does Yoda saving Obi-Wan and Anakin in AOTC. The limitation in this regard is to show that whilst the Force is an 'all powerful mystical energy', it is not all encompassing, requiring the user to focus on one thing (or a few things) at one time. Retrieval of Dooku's solar yacht would have meant lessening his focus on the large weight that was bearing down on him - and we're not exactly privvy to whether Dooku was also pressing down with it beyond his hands indicating so, which meant Yoda had to concentrate on saving his fellow Jedi. Also, a case in point is Yoda being unable to fully repel Palpatine's second attack in ROTS. With a dark shadow hanging over the light of the good side, it seems like the Jedi are unable to fully call on their powers - another plot device, of course.

As I said in a previous thread, why didn't old Ben flick his wrist and force push Vader away - we're talking about a Star Wars universe that hadn't been cocked up by George's retrofit of Jedi being martial artists plus factor in that Ben has been in hiding for so many years. Use of his Force skills would have sent a ripple to Vader telling him exactly where he was and thus endangering Luke as well. It's the same with Yoda, but since he's a grand master and Ben only a master, there is obviously some difference in their skills. Vader, obivously, has no human limbs left, so is unable to muster more than a Force choke and a pull in the Force (to retrieve Solo's gun on Cloud City), but even he is only 40% human due to the injuries from Mustafa and the Force only works with living things...

Anyway, if I've misunderstood, sorry. If not, I hope I've put forward enough conjecture for thought...I'm not flicking my wrist to push anything away btw...I'm far too old to use skills like that now!! :p

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#337244
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Of course the main reason why the saber fights in the OT were due to a lack of 'inspiration' during the 70s and 80s, that goes without saying. 

However, if you go by the story, then it assumes that there are very Jedi left in the galaxy - Luke is proclaimed to be the last of the Jedi by Yoda on his deathbed and Vader is the only Sith, if you believe the 'There can only be two Sith' rule. 

You can then assume, although assumptions are the basis of all f**k-ups, that Obi-Wan will have had little use for his lightsaber skills over the 20 years, preferring instead to train himself to be able to pass his spirit on into the Force and hide his presence from Vader. Vader, equally, will have had little use for his lightsaber since a little Force choking will have been enough to settle most 'disputes'. Therefore, going by logical thinking, the skill levels of both Vader and Kenobi will have remained static at best, possibly even dropping due to years of non-use. Even if you factor in Dooku's prancing about in the PT, he does have the added 'bonus' of being an old man in at least active Jedi times, not when there are 3 of them left with 2 of them hiding their presences in the Force. 

Anyway, that's all I'll say on this...(I have no idea if it does make sense to anyone other than me! It is an opinion and all opinions should be respected no matter what the subject.)

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#336472
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Trivial Pursuit: STAR WARS ORIGINAL TRILOGY (Part III)
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PaulisDead2221 said:

Who told C-3P0 to "shut up" at the Jawa sale?

What enemy vehicles had Han just escaped from when he said, "Well, don't everybody thank me at once"?

Who described Luke Skywalker as "too old"?

What was the Falcon unable to get a reading on, after arriving at the second Death Star?

Who did Greedo work for?

What movie did Star Wars surpass in 1997 to become the highest-grossing film of all time?

1. Uncle Owen

2. Star Destroyers

3. Yoda

4. Whether the shield was up or down

5. Jabba

6. Titanic

 

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#335519
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Trivial Pursuit: STAR WARS ORIGINAL TRILOGY (Part III)
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HotRod said:

Ok then....Johnny Boy...Wrong answer to my question

 

Astroboy....Chris Walken - Han,  Jodie Foster - Leia, Bruce boxinger (guy from Babylon 5 - name spelt wrong probably) - Luke

I think anyway....

 

Chris Walken definitely - you could have had Nick Nolte as well. There was also the dude who played Han in the radio plays who also auditioned, but I guess he did 'play' Han in the end...

Jodie Foster yes - Sissy Spacek was another one

Not sure about Bruce Boxleitner (!) but Kurt Russell was an early frontrunner

 

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#335363
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Ady, I hope you and your family pull through this troubled time for you. Seems your only release is in this edit and even then the gods seem to be against you! 

On the comparison clip, I hadn't really noticed how bad the matte lines show up in the blueified ESB until I saw the Adyfied one! 

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#334981
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Trivial Pursuit: STAR WARS ORIGINAL TRILOGY (Part III)
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Johnny Ringo said:

Muahaha. I'm back. And I'll throw a bone to whoever can dethrone golden[Hot]rod. Although I guess it's too late for that.

What actor played Wedge Antilles? 3 POINTS

Denis lawson.

EDIT: grr...I blame Astro for snagging all the good stuff...and cheating [googling] tsk!

How many blaster hits did the Imperial probe droid take before it self-destructed? 3 POINTS

one?

 

Hey, I only looked up the OSV thing online... :p

 

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#334773
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The Force Unleashed is true to the F.U. part
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You can change things about something but as long as the underlying tone is still the same, you'll react in the same way regardless of how it looks. It's the same for Star Wars. He's changed it visually (like painting the bike) and in some ways, not for the better (gratuitous CG work, Greedo shooting first) but under it all, the original trilogy (to me) is still the same. I still enjoy watching it now as I did then, even more so with the Adywan revision.

Where I'd consider the 'raping of my childhood' to be anything as true, it would have to do with showing the secrets before you were old enough to understand it. Magic, for instance, is an area where I have a wish to know how they did it, but lose interest as soon as I knew how. As a kid, revealing the magic as being nothing more than plastic and sticky tape is tantamount to 'raping the childhood', but making changes (yourself) isn't.

We're at the point where Lucas has decided to change his own story to suit his needs. I don't agree with it and I think the backstory for the prequel trilogy was extremely misconceived and poorly executed. If anything, it's raping his own childhood as he's the one making the changes and denying the past. We still have our own memories of the original version whereas he is the one denying it ever existed.

You can change as much as you like, but it'll be the same underneath and as long as you remember that, it will never change. Enough of us have the original version in some form, so it's not like it's a lost-forever piece of movie making - it's only lost to Lucas (if, indeed, he's actually lost the original...)

I'm not sure if I make sense or whatever...it is my opinion.

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#334762
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Monroville said:

From the man who brought you "green AT-AT lasers" comes:

Hey Adywan,

I remember David Browse saying in an interview that the "Luke, I am your father" line wasn't the one he said during the take... in fact, the line he said to Luke/Mark was "No, Luke.  I did not kill your father.  Obi Wan killed your father."  "NOOOOOO, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!  etc.

You think you can maybe replace Vader's line with the one above, being that it was the original line?

 

 

 

I wonder how people are going to react to this one?

And for those of you who really DO get mad, have you SEEN my avatar on the left?  >:)

 

 I remember an interview stating the line went 'No Luke, Obi Wan is your father' rather than the Obi Wan killed your father one. Who knows which is true as apparently no one got a complete script for that scene apart from Mark Hamill (who had to react to the line as given to Prowse). Remember at this time, Lucas was already accusing Prowse of leaking info to the media, so was giving him false dialogue which would get the same kind of reaction to the proper stuff.

To be honest, it is the line that sets up the movie and Jedi (and, unfortunately, the prequel trilogy). If you changed it to match the alleged line, it would screw Jedi and you'd be forever wondering why Luke had gone out of his way to rescue someone who isn't his father. In addition, you'd also have to completely redo Ben's appearance in Jedi or cut him completely and also correct Yoda's final challenge to Luke on Dagobah. Far too much work, in my opinion, for an alleged line and one that would actually screw the original trilogy up.

Sorry, green lasers might be doable, but to rewrite Jedi just to accommodate the line...

In my opinion, that is...

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#334518
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Star Wars Saga: Silent Film Edition (Released)
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I've been watching the first disc (to me the most guilty of having far too much CG work in it) and thankfully, turning the movies to black and white has actually taken a lot of the cartoonish nature away from the work. It seems to work really well especially now the clunky dialogue has been taken out of the equation too. Now only the music is there to set the mood and this shows John Williams off to his best. There's something about the quality of the CG work in black and white that makes it less jarring than when it's in those awful OTT computer palettes...