analog

I've wondered how that all worked before. To be sure, we're talking plain, ordinary GOUT version as on the 2006 DVDs, exactly as they are, correct?

Done some various synching for a few things, so I wouldn't be afraid to try, but honestly have no idea what format I can get my crap video editing software to output (Pinnacle). Perhaps I could get that, however, and still time align the "original"

Will see what I can do.

The detail brought out in not only the background, but the passing people is pretty good. The sky is also much improved.

Haha, who knows. I don't really care. Looking forward to the latest work, and I think it'll be pretty nice. Good compromise on the format. Let those who wish do a transcode etc..

As for a DVD5 of Jedi, who knows. Could always make one yourself with a little work.

I just about spit my coffee out reading the end of the last page, hahahaha.

Yeah, if anyone really did such a transfer, I imagine it being catastrophic, which is sad. Perhaps a long time from now, in a galaxy far, far away.

Yep, that's a lot of data to archive off.. Also, yes, always good to have a couple copies, even though newer blu ray blanks are a little nicer.

Please check your PM's Harmy :)

Haha, fun times. Rolls off the tongue so smoothly, you just can't help but say it with a smile ;)

Whatever it ends up being called, it'll be awesome. 2.1 or 2.5 still seem like good ideas that make sense. Agree that a 3.0 would be a little uncalled for. 2.1-2.4 could simply be "internal" revisions that were never released, so a 2.5 makes sense.

For now, we have:
1.0 AVCHD
2.0 AVCHD
2.0 MKV

In the next wave, we'll see whatever first, main, huge, best, "this is it" format, hopefully followed by an AVCHD, as it's still a nice format for various reasons.

All I know, is that I have a blank blu ray just waiting for some very worth data (and wouldn't mind mailing Harmy a few as a thank you)

Personally, I'd probably try a re-mux using only one audio track, maybe two.
You're probably going to have to experiment a little. Google is also helpful...

This forum is also helpful for such matters - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/How-Tos-and-Technical-Discussions/forum/12/

Interesting project. I've always wondered how a "good" laserdisc transfer would really look with some work, and this appears to be exactly that :)
One of the things I've always hated with MPEG2 direct transfers is color shift. Especially during Tatooine scenes. There are some cases where the color shifting in some versions is just out of hand - pink, to green, to red, to the tan/gold-like color of what it should be. I guess some MPEG encoders just can't handle some colors very well.

Anyway, I'll check some of the other clips later - sendspace is going sloooow for me right now ;)

Curious to see how this turns out!

You should be able to burn a dual layer dvd from the AVCHD iso/files... no need for a blu ray burner.

As for playback, look in the 'stream' folder and try playing the .m2ts file with VLC - http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html

Check page 1..

From page 1:

Dowload here or here ..

Just checked the 'shake' sample. Quite impressive!
Pretty wild to see the amount that was added. Even more impressive is the removal. Looks like it's right on track with the original frames from what I could tell. Every time I see the color comparisons in motion like that, it also always makes me smile. From washed out (GOUT), to WAAAAY too dark (SE/BD), to "just about perfect" (HARMY's!).

Regarding the 720p, I don't mind one bit. It looks excellent. Got to see it on a tube based HD rear projector TV once. Magic. Maybe something a little "nicer" about the colors on those compared to most LCD sets. I'd say that seeing this on any TV, however, is nothing short of excellent.

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Ahh should've assume that, sorry!

The current version of Star Wars Despecialized Edition Remastered on Usenet is named Fixed_DeEdv2.0. Does anyone know if this applies to the audio issues listed above or does this release need the updated audio tracks swapped in?

Thank you!

I was told some pages back that this is already fixed. I went ahead and re-fixed anyway, with tracks available elsewhere (tehparadox), as I wasn't sure...

99% sure what you have is already fine, unless you notice some issue(s).

+1 for the latest changes! Very, very, very cool. Can't wait to check the latest comparison. Thank you for giving us these clips to check out as things move along. Regarding the "blueness," I think it looks "just right." The coolness here (color temp) seems nothing short of perfect, but I'll wait to see the clip before really deciding. Incredible that it can be manipulated better with the improved tools.

...........also, I hate to ask again, but may I please get an invite to the myspleen from anyone here? Already have all 3, but wouldn't mind helping seed, and/or still volunteer to help w/getting 2.1 onto the groups of news, unless that's already going to be covered.

A couple of friends have now seen 2.0 and been very happy. One friend commented that he had completely avoided the SE crap, and was humbled to view the "real thing" again after so long, and also commented on how seamless it all was.

Hmm, I don't know. I think that blend still has its own issues. Bit of greenish still there, which he tried very hard to look out for and get rid of.

Hard to tell in context of one frame. Aside from a possible difference in monitor, and the interpretations of it, the aim is still for what the film looked like, minor imperfections included, using his best estimations, his eyes, and (probably) his "gut feeling" (aka - "the force") where he wants ;)

It has to be difficult to balance that with the source starting out at such a "crushed" level, designed for over-brightened playback.

Either way, I still like the latest changes. Much nicer than the 2.0 take on this scene.

Hahaha, perfect picture response, Laserschwer!

Encoding issues like that could be either an overheated component, such as RAM, CPU, or GPU, or, it's simply data corruption happening somewhere in between the source / destination (drive) due to any number of things. Something as simple as a bit of interference on the SATA bus, a bad connection, or at worst, bad sectors on a disk getting/receiving bad data.

Suppose it could be an OS issue, but I'd hope that *backups* are more importantly happening, no matter what (including all the project files etc.).

Suppose reinstalling OS might help, but I'm leaning more towards hardware. Try dusting first, maybe check RAM, always be sure the machine is getting proper ventilation, etc. just as a matter of good measure.

Regarding the Ben scene - The last round was ok, but this looks like a GREAT improvement! C3P0 looks "just right" towards the end, greenish hints are all but gone (R2D2 closeups in particular, and a couple of other places), red shift is fair, and in favor of some tasteful things, and the "washout" is all but gone in a couple of background spots... very cool!!!!!

Zarquon said:

Thanks so much for this -- I am introducing my friend's daughters to Star Wars for the first time, and wanted to make sure they saw it right.

Quick question: if I download the remastered (V2.0) of this, does it have the audio fix in it, or do I still have to do that to fix the 5.1 audio?

Thanks 

The latest (2.0) does not have the fix, as far as I know. Granted, I never made it all the way through (and don't know what the error(s) are) before fixing and then just using that.

I had the same question when first coming back here and discovering this amazing project. The fix is pretty easy though, just grab the updated audio, re-mux.

Since 2.1 is so close, it'd probably only cause confusion.

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edit: speaking of 2.1, the progress is exciting! can't wait to check out the clips.

^   yeah!

Not sure what's up with the slightly less than round sun on left, but I do not care. The overall scene is nice. Every little thing looks more and more like a truly excellent achievement.

Very curious what this team negative project is all about though. Fresh telecine project?

Agreed - looking better all the time.

Regarding the reference shots, scans, and multitudes of sources, I'm amazed at the level of tweaking with things and the results. Even if one might prefer one slight thing over another, the overall presentation is excellent, and I can't wait for a solid 2.1 release!

I'm liking the slight change on those (Ben) shots! Makes it a little less blown out with brightness, and gives things a little nicer tone. Thanks for sharing those, taking a second look, and making some changes there :)
...hoping to view 2.0 again soon, hopefully with girlfriend.

Not sure what it is about this time of year, but I always watch the whole trilogy at least once through. Can't think of a better way to do so than with these editions.

^ lol - good points. The larger MKV may have slightly higher bitrate for video, but we will end up getting a 'proper' blu ray disc release eventually anyway, so everyone should be happy! We should be happy that we're getting a good release soon, with an even BETTER (full blu ray) one in the near future!

I'm also a fan of the AVCHD format due to the simplicity of making a disc that is easily playable. Besides, yes, the 'container' matters very little - would be funny if Harmy did end up throwing those extra files to convert into the package.. for AVCHD, I'd still prefer an ISO or just the files/folders that would fit on disc as they currently are - extras might make it confusing to burn as AVCHD (especially if it's larger than what'll fit on disc). Either way, should be good times for all, and we'll eventually have a very, very, very nice non-SE set, which is ultimately the coolest thing ever.

Sweet - I'm down for keeping it simple. AVCHD may be a tiny bit lower bitrate, but will still look awesome :)

As for lossless audio: consider stereo (2 tracks) 16-bit 44.1Khz WAV format about 10MB/min.
FLAC is about 1/2 that, give or take. At, let's say 121 min., 1 stereo track would be about 605MB. Half that for one track, then times six (for "5.1") = 1815MB.
If FLAC isn't used, and we're talking 16-bit 44.1Khz uncompressed, 3630MB.
If we're talking 24-bit 96Khz WAV, likely around 6GB. At that size, however, you'd still have room for most, if not all of the other "lossy" tracks I would bet, plus a relatively small animated menu. Might be pushing the limit of a 25GB ("23.3" usable is what shows in Windows...) disc, but it should end up being "just right." (6GB + 16.5 = 22.5 .. little room there for a menu still!).

Harmy said:

Why would I do v2.1.1? It will simply be v2.1 MKV and AVCHD and then whatever versions will be necessary for ESB and ROTJ (starting, and hopefully ending with v2.0) and then it will be STAR WARS TRILOGY Despecialized Edition Remastered on Blu-Ray. Since there will only be one BD release, there's no need for numeric labels.

And what would be the point of releasing the BD without the extras? I mean if someone needs a BD in terms of format, they can always remux the MKV with like two clicks. I don't think the menu is really that important, is

totally understandable, just thinking out loud. now that you mention it, that would be silly versioning.

I'd vote for:
2.1 MKV as well, with BD content following,
..then the others in similar form.

Though stinky-dinkins has a point, that it's much "nicer" to have the whole package deal, I think the opposite direction of getting the raw (and arguably most important) work done - the actual movie first - is more important.

It'd be easy enough to assemble into a BD after that, and I'm sure others would be glad to handle the assembly of the "final product" when that time comes.
On that note, I'd be down for a spleen invite to help share, plus still volunteer for getting things to the aforementioned place in one of my previous posts, when the time comes. It'd be an honor to help with making sure posts there stay "clean" and understandable.

Keeping an "official" BD release until it's really done would be best I think. It'd probably also be nicer to wait for the others to get the 2.1(.1?) treatment (I'd skip to at least 2.1 depending on lossless audio for the rest, to keep the releases at same version - you already "learned" from color correction, so I think the skip is justified), and to keep the versions lined up so that when they're all ready for BD, they're "known" to be the most solid to date, but it wouldn't hurt to leave 2.0 I either I guess. Just thinking out loud.

The only part that plays into making things more complex is the audio. It'd be a little more complex to see releases with or without the lossless audio, but if we left that to when the BD is really really ready (and to those who choose to mux it on their own), it'd be a lot "cleaner" in "release" forms
1.0 MKV / AVCHD
2.0 MKV / AVCHD
2.1 MKV / AVCHD - corrected/final color correction + 'replacement audio'
2.1.1 (?) - MKV / BD with lossless audio.

Also, I'm betting lossless audio on an AVCHD would compromise the visual quality, which I doubt anyone really wants to do, so that'd be another reason to go with keeping 2.1.1 for BD *only*

crissrudd4554 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Hi again guys. I tried multiAVCHD but it failed during the conversion process. Didn't matter because I realized afterwards that this wasn't what I was looking for anyways. From what I could see it would convert the movie to a DVD file which I would open in another program then burn it to DVD. That's not exactly what I was going for. I'm trying to BURN it to a DVD with the audio tracks and still retain a good percentage of the high quality. I burnt the original file the other month ago with Burn but 1. The DVD skipped in a few areas 2. It only incorporated 1 audio track 3. Quality was fair but a bit boxy in some areas. I opened the original file with Nero but Nero will only incorporate one audio track. I think the same goes for Toast. The only program I've used to burn a DVD of the DeSpecialized edition that also incorporated the audio tracks was ConvertX. However, the quality was essentially the same as Burn, a bit boxy in some areas. So I ask again does anyone know any programs that will BURN the movie to a DVD with the audio tracks and decent quality.

Anybody got anything?

There has already been a DVD conversion, but I don't know where it's available, or what audio track(s) it contains.. Do you mean to burn to a DVD with ALL of the audio tracks included in the other editions? That would be unrealistic, if you also expect high quality video...

Your best bet is one or two audio tracks, and even better, to author a "DVD9" formatted version if you really want the best quality. MPEG2 converted from these just isn't going to be "perfect" unless you do some very specific things - encoding for it requires specific knowledge of the codec, a good encoder, and some tricks that you might not be familiar with...

If a good existing DVD conversion is still out there, perhaps somebody can PM you?
For encoding, there are other forums/websites that might be better suited to this topic..
If the DVD doesn't exist, I'd be willing to give it a shot, but only with blessings, and even then, it'd only be really worth it if it turns out nice enough to be worthwhile.

Random question - would anyone mind, or want me upload the "fixed" audio MKV (defaults to English 5.1 audio track..) to ye olde tyme news groups? Just want to help in some small way, and figure this might be helpful to some - ease of access, and not having to go through getting the "fixed" audio tracks separately and fix it themselves, or, should I just wait for 2.1 and do so then? Would also be willing to do both, for the completeness factor ;) 

Either way, I'd love to help in some small way! Only did the English files, but would be fine with grabbing all the rest and then going through the fix/upload.