Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but Han’s shoulder has been replaced by starfield in this shot.
It’s been fixed 😃
I’ve seen someone make that connection before. I highly doubt he’d have temp scored the entire film to any one non-Williams composer though, and especially not Philip Glass because the styles are so different. Likely just that one cue.
Oh even the comments under both videos make the link, I agree it was likely just for that scene, but can we be a little less pedantic and enjoy the trivia?
Not trying to be pedantic. It’s fun trivia but in my mind, if you’re going on a game of ‘guess the temp score,’ why stop after just one cue?
I often wonder what some of the other things Lucas might have used for temp score. As far as I know, the only documentation of temp score is on the original SW (where Rinzler and other writers have mentioned quite a few cues). I seem to recall hearing about Lucas using a piece of classical music or something for the immolation in ROTS but I don’t remember. And there’s talk that he also used some of the LOTR score for that film as well but I don’t know if it’s been confirmed.
Well there is a rough cut of the new ending for ROTJ that used a temp track which Williams pretty much copied
https://www.facebook.com/swrevisited/videos/510861546066862/
and this is the original temp track that was used
The new masters are now also on google play/youtube.
Not in the UK they’re not. Still the 2011 digital versions.Just found that out the hard way. 😦 That’s £10 i’m not getting back
They will be changed to the new master automatically. That happened to me. Yesterday they still were the 2011 versions, today they’ve been replaced.
But isn’t this likely to happen only in areas that have got Disney+?
The new masters are now also on google play/youtube.
Not in the UK they’re not. Still the 2011 digital versions.Just found that out the hard way. 😦 That’s £10 i’m not getting back
Admiral Holdo’s hyperspace-kamikaze in The Last Jedi. I mean, why hasn’t anyone used this in any space battle before, ever?
Because they couldn’t afford to lose large cruisers like that before and also a damn lightsabre didn’t just split in two erupting a huge flash of force energy at the exact same time. Why do you think the explosion trails were pure white? 😉
It’s not just the sky that has been changed. The dunes were altered for the SE and they have reverted those back to the '77 version
ROTJ Blu / 4K Comparison:
Well those two shots prove that these are indeed new transfers and not the 2004 masters. 😃
Just saw this screengrab of the 4k version. Bad news. It looks the same colour grading as the 2004/2011 versions. Vaders green lights are Blue in those versions yet fine in the 97 version. If they do have the exact same grading problems that have only ever been present in the versions taken from the 2k master done for the DVD’s/ Blu-rays then these aren’t new transfers, just upscales
ROTJ is the one that we’ll be able to tell for sure if they are new transfers or just upscales. If that film still has the “out of focus” scanning problems as they approach Endor, right up to the speeder bike chance, then they are the same 2004 masters
There isn’t going to be 8 minutes of Carrie. They had 8 minutes available and analysed every frame. This doesn’t mean that they were able to use every second of that footage though. I’d say it’s going to be a lot less than that.
Did anyone download all the audio that was available from the “Star Wars Mash-ups” page that use to be on the official Star Wars site? that had quite a few scenes that contained dialogue/ fx only tracks. It was a video editor that allowed you to create your own scenes from the films and made available dialogue/fx, music and video clips.
This was the original description and url
“Create your own Star Wars movie with hundreds of video clips, audio tracks and photos from Star Wars. Recut, rearrange and remix. Also add your own video or stills.”
sadly the link now takes you to the starwars.com main page
According to Atom Tickets, Rise of Skywalker sold 45% more tickets in it’s first hour of pre-sales than Avengers Endgame did.
The escape pod was created specifically for Spaceballs and is not unused footage from ANH. Here is the original filming model.
Falcon Stretched Horizontally and shrunk a bit. Hanger Entrance widened and Made Bigger. It seems that this shot is the big offender and not the Hangar Matte really. Anyway it’s a rough guess at what it could look like fixed?!? and these are the sorts of things I love about your edits… It’s not the Prequel Battle droids.
You know that whole sequence from your original ANH Revisited was really great but it’s really just the Hangar interior and this Entrance / exit shot that needs a fix 😃 What you did already on the approach was great but it sort of tailed off on this one and the Hangar matte. Good Luck!
Why stretch the falcon? There was nothing wrong with the falcon. It’s completely out of proportion now
I honestly thought it looked a bit squashed… I have overdone it but I do feel that it looks too chunky or fat on that shot… It would be worth checking against a model shot?
http://zeamon.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/CompleteFrontViewFill.png
Something don’t feel right about falcon but I will admit I just assumed it looked squashed and stretched it. It only has one gun on the top instead of 4 and a dent in the radar also…
You’re comparing it to an off the shelf model kit? Most kits are way off being accurate, especially when it comes to how “fat” the falcon is. And most base their kits off the 32" version which is well known to be a bit thinner than the 5foot model they used for ANH. There are 4 guns in that shot and no dent in the radar either.
Falcon Stretched Horizontally and shrunk a bit. Hanger Entrance widened and Made Bigger. It seems that this shot is the big offender and not the Hangar Matte really. Anyway it’s a rough guess at what it could look like fixed?!? and these are the sorts of things I love about your edits… It’s not the Prequel Battle droids.
You know that whole sequence from your original ANH Revisited was really great but it’s really just the Hangar interior and this Entrance / exit shot that needs a fix 😃 What you did already on the approach was great but it sort of tailed off on this one and the Hangar matte. Good Luck!
Why stretch the falcon? There was nothing wrong with the falcon. It’s completely out of proportion now
It’s nice commentary on where Adywan thinks the Prequels belong (a large, junk-collecting tank). I’m happy that it’s the only real prequel reference, unless there’s a skeleton of a prequel species in the rancor pit.
Yo, Ady, could you replace the Rancor with an Acklay? That would be GREAT, thanks!
I’m pretty sure that there isn’t a Rancor in episode IV. 😉
Hey Adywan, do you plan on changing Ackbar to look more consistent with The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi?
I don’t see any need to do that, especially with the films being set 30 years apart. Ackbar is almost exactly the same with a few more wrinkles/ folds.
Would be good to see a couple Rebel Pilots discover why it is so important that Han gets that shield down.
That’s already planned
I tried turning a still of the Death Star into “3D” using a displacement map to make it look like it was turning slowly and it seems like it could be pretty convincing.
https://vimeo.com/360161256 (password: fanedit)
LOVE IT!!! Can this effect be used on other things, like ships etc? I’ll send you a PM soon 😉
Another version. I think it sounds a bit better.
https://mega.nz/#!KdkXzIbS!3sc-75YFln-CKefaUOIdNvsNOwRtpAjo9sp7wZycvEc
Perhaps this is good enough, I don’t want to take over the thread with mother-edits when we don’t even know if Adywan is interested.
The big problem when stitching together dialogue is , if the intonation isn’t quite right, it can throw things off. To me, this sounds unnatural. Great work though. I have a great Vader impersonator that has offered to record some dialogue for me so, if i decide to change the line, it will be re-recorded .
Here are a few screenshots comparing the official blu-ray, the original SD version of ANH:R and the new HD version. As you can see i’m sticking pretty close to the shots in the original SD version of ANH:R (impossible to exactly recreate the shots without all the original elements and project files). Some shots though will be different . This will be due to a few reasons, but mainly because i wasn’t able to do / fix something when i first worked on the edit or because the original elements used just don’t look very good in HD. In the case of the R2 canyon shot, for example, the AOTC Blu-ray is so soft and digitally scrubbed ( not to mention the new awful colour grade used), the Tatooine elements that i originally used just don’t look to good and pretty fake/ cartoony. Plus i was never really happy with that shot in the first place.
I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.
So a 9 film saga trailer (even though its more of a sizzle reel exclusively for D23), that shows clips from the films in release order (ending with new clips from Ep9) , uses a third of its runtime to show the OT (3 films out of 9 turns out to be a third 😉 ) and this is supposed to show how Disney is constantly trying to appeal to nostalgia?
Fine, no color correction at all then. Besides, it’s too expensive to even buy a single software for color correction.
DaVinci Resolve is one of the best grading programs out there and it’s free. Instead of demanding others do the work for you, learn to do it yourself.
Here is a quick look at the opening shot of ANH:RHD. The one good thing about having to start everything from scratch is that i am able to utilise sources that were not available at the time, like HD scans of many of the original Matte Paintings. Plus i have learned a great deal since i completed ANH:R, so i am able to fix a few things that i wasn’t able to fix first time around. It would have been impossible to accurately recreate the original version anyway.
Fixed the misaligned flash effect on the Stardestroyer…
And fixed the background issue with the trooper…
I know you just answered a bunch of questions, thanks for that. I was wondering, are you going to dub a female voice for the female A-Wing pilot?
Yes
Adywan, Projects 4K77 and 4K83 are definitely 4K. They have less detail than the 1080p BluRays, but they’re absolutely 4K.
Adywan clearly meant that the visible detail level is less that what is already in the 1080p blu-ray, which makes sense as one is from negatives and the other from old release prints.
Sure he did, but he said “even the team would admit these aren’t 4K” and… well, they most definitely are.
No they are not. Just because they are scanned and released in 4k doesn’t make them 4k. Theatrical prints hold between 720p and at max 1080p worth of visual information. The team behind the 4k releases captured the film at 4k to try and squeeze the last bit of detail they could out of the prints. They did a damn good job, but they can’t magically produce detail that is on the negatives that isn;t present on an old theatrical print. The only way they could be 4k is if they were directly scanned from the negatives in 4k or above.
It’s a bugbear of mine with all these 4k commercial releases that are just upscales. It may be in 4k resolution but if the source doesn’t have the resolution to begin with, it’s not 4K. It’s so misleading and causing people to claim that 4k is a waste of time because most of what they are seeing were never even mastered @4k. The BBC here have been releasing old Doctor Who episodes on Blu-Ray from old TV broadcasts. 1080p, yet the source was 480p. And they’re calling them HD. They’re even going to release ones in UHD. It’s madness
Are you still making a new Cargo Shuttle so Vader and the Emperor aren’t using the same ship as the “Parts and Technical Group”? I imagine if Vader lands in his fancy shuttle then the next shot is a Cargo Shuttle we won’t habe the “did they wait till morning to take off?” confusion.
Yes, i’m still making a new shuttle.
Hello, adywan
Will you be restoring C-3PO’s line: “There’ll be no escape for the princess this time”?
In ANH:R the dialogue was edited to “There’ll be no escape this time”. Probably to fit in with the PT.
NO, it will be the same as in the SD version of ANH:R
there is a wrong cutting at the run of the tantive.
first the troops run through the door an then they in the hallway. at next they are at the door again.
see it at 3:55.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfLyMAHrQE
Those errors were already fixed in the original ANH:R
Has Ady said much yet about the Death Star battle for ANH:R HD?
I’m wondering since I really enjoyed it in the original version, but I do feel that it could be improved with using 3D renders of ships or even better, model footage of ships instead of moving around 2D images. Also maybe redoing some of the special edition shots as the CGI doesn’t exactly hold up compared to the ships in Rogue One.
ESB:R seemed to be a drastic improvement in VFX work over the already impressive ANH:R, so I’m expecting some significant changes.
I’ll be using CG this time around for the background ships instead of the 2D approach. Although it was only AFTER i mentioned that i used 2D images to create the background battles that anyone started having problems about it 😉
A random thought, but is it possible to remove the blatant Ronto blocking the speeder, while keeping some of the newer elements (like the improved shadow under the speeder) in the panning wide shot right before they stop at the cantina?
I have no problems with the Ronto in this shot. I will be however fixing the problem that the SE created by cutting off the bottom of the landspeeder
Also, not sure if Ady has answered this, but is the Imperial March being kept in the Death Star reveal, given the full march treatment of the Death Star theme in Rogue One?
The Imperial march will still feature in the Death Star reveal. The reveal however will be different from the SD version of ANH:R
Since the PT won’t be relevant to OT:R, which canyon matte will be used for this shot that R2 travels through for ANH:RHD?
ANH:R
SE/Blu-ray
https://vimeo.com/316046212
Theatrical
The matte for ANH:R was made to match closer to what Tatooine looked like in the PT.
It will be an all new matte as i no longer have the original files, so have to remake it from scratch. But it won;t look like the one i did for the SD version
Rogue One attempted to fix this continuity error by giving ponda a similar arm to the severed one shown in the Jedha scene.
Ady, I wonder if thats a change worth implementing in ANHR:HD? To change ponda’s hands BEFORE the arm is severed to match as opposed to changing the arm on the ground.
Would provide better continuity with Rogue One as well.
Replacing his “flippers” in the previous shots would be an almost impossible task. It would be fine if he didn’t move but there’s too much movement to be able to shoot new “furry” hands and accurately match the movement to the original. But it still makes more sense to have Evazan’s arm be the severed one as Ponda doesn’t even go for his gun in the sequence, Just Evazan.
I showed ESB Revisited to a friend a few days ago, and noticed the resolution more so this time than when I first watched it nearly two years back.
I have a 75" 4K screen and so it is pushing the image harder than most but I think the more our eyes become accustomed to watching 4K content the more you notice when the presentation is lower def. Just like the moment came to most of us who’d amassed an old VHS collection, where you’d take it to the charity shop because you realised you’d stopped putting the tapes in the player after becoming used to clarity of DVD.
Adywan, I don’t know if you’ve gone too far down the road with 720p to change direction now, but if there is the potential to use the 4K source for either SW:R or ROTJ:R then I think that would be really wise - as the ‘last gen’ feel of 720p is a gulf that is only going to increase in the coming months and years. I don’t think keeping them consistent with ESB:R is a good reason not to as has been suggested, as intentionally hobbling something to bring it ‘down’ to a lower quality would be self-defeating. Technology is moving on and the longevity of the Revisited project would be better served with 4K. At the time of their release fans may have to choose between watching the best edited version (Revisited) or the best looking version (4K), and it will be a compromise. Star Wars fans have long had to compromise on owning the version they really want, and it would be nice to have one that is finally perfection!
Adywan, I know you prize presentation and always have good reasoning, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts and the challenges around Revisited 4K?
I’ve had a lot of people mention that i should be using the 4K77 & 4K83 releases for my edits. Although the team behind them did a great job, even they would admit these aren’t 4K. I’ve been comparing them with the Blu-Rays since they came out and, for the most part, they hold less detail than the Blu-Rays. 4k83 also suffers with the problem of a lot of lost detail in the dark areas. Then there is the problem of blown out highlights. There are a few parts that are better than the blu-ray so i have been able to utilise those where needed ( ROTJ where the film goes badly out of focus during scanning and replacing SE shots with the originals). The Blu-rays are also a lot more stable, which is a must when adding effects to a scene. Trying to stabilise it also only partially works. But the biggest reason is that i would have to be insane to use all the original footage. I’d have to try and redo ALL of the recompositioned shots that they did for the SE’s. Without the original separate elements that would be a HUGE task and would increase my workload greatly. People think it takes me too long to do these edits as it is, can you imagine the compaints when i double the work i’d need to do. Sure, the blu-rays have their problems, but they are still the best source for me to work from
Even if they release 4k official versions i still wouldn’t be working in 4k. render times are bad now, even worse when i have tried doing the work i do in 1080p. 4k would be a nightmare. ESB:R is 720p so the rest of the saga will be the same. I get loads of complaints off people because it takes them too long to download the 8GB versions and i’m going to get even more when i release the 25GB Blu-Rays. Hosting these files is a big issue. While uploading them to usenet is fine, they need to be re-uploaded when the retention runs out and most people refuse to use usenet
I have a 4k 70" LG TV and ESB:R looks fine on that. It’s got a great built in upscaler and this is something that a lot of TV’s & players lack. You’re also watching a highly compressed 8GB version of ESB:R at the moment until i can do the Blu-Ray.
720p is fine. If i catered to the people who have 70inch+ 4k TV’s then i would be catering to such a small margin. Most people have 1080p HDTVs that aren’t any bigger than 50"
You don’t see in 4K-
I wouldn’t trust getting technical information from this guy. He spouted on for ages about how Samsung 4k Blu-Ray player was faulty because it screwed up the HDR colours in X-men apocalypse. Even when people said that it played fine on their TV’s using the same player. He then used a Sony 4K Blu-Ray player and claimed it was fine. He refused to believe that the problem was with his old LG 4K TV not decoding the HDR correctly. He had the exact same TV as someone i know and i have the exact same Sony player that he has, so we tried it. The colours were still messed up going through that player unless we switched off the HDR, yet were fine on my TV.
It also depends on the 4k content people are viewing. Most stuff available at the moment are just uspcales, so when compared to their blu-ray counterparts, there isn’t a noticeable difference. But watch something like Lawrence of Arabia in 4k and compare that the it’s Blu-Ray counterpart and the difference is very noticeable. A persons vision is also a major factor and viewing distances etc.
The donation drive is going well. Thanks again to all who have contributed so far. We’re just over £1700 away from reaching the target. If we can hit the target by the end of this month, as a small thanks you, i will upload a clip of the redone Obi-Wan/ Vader duel from ANH:RHD
Now onto the first part in a short series of posts where i explain some of the changes i will be making for ROTJ:R.
In the scene in which the images below were taken, their dialogue , for one, doesn’t make much sense with what we see on screen. Leia says" The main entrance to the control bunker is the far side of that landing platform" This isn’t going to be easy". To which Han replies" Hey, don’t worry. Chewie and me got into a lot of places more heavily guarded than that". Well that wouldn’t be difficult because there is nothing or no one down there apart from the landing platform. And the only activity is the shuttle leaving. Which comes to the other problem. The scene directly before this is the scene at night when Luke faces Vader on the landing platform and is taken away to the shuttle. It’s the same landing platform and it makes it look like they were just sitting around in the shuttle for hours waiting for daylight.
It’s interesting though when you read this scene in the original novel (see picture below) .
"The Strike squad crouched down behind a woodsy ridge overlooking the Imperial outpost. Leia viewed the area through a small electronic scanner.
Two shuttles were being off-loaded on the landing platform. Several Walkers were parked nearby. Troops stood around, helped with construction, took watch, carried supplies. …"
Now that fits in perfectly with what they are saying on screen. Even though Han’s dialogue is slightly different, it’s still basically the same as in the film. This is the type of thing we should be seeing on screen at that point, so that is what i will be doing, using a mixture of physical models , miniature sets and digital FX. It’s going to be a heavily guarded place 😉
