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I don’t think warm-up sketches and unfinished pieces fall under “awesome art” but art is subjective.
I’m pretty sure that any form of drawing can be called art, but I’ll avoid sketches in the future.
I just though they were pretty neat.
Also I’ve never found any colorized version of these drawings so either Bruce Timm was just making some SW doodles for fun or this is from some cancelled project.
To make up for me ignorance though, I offer this piece of awesome (“finished”) art;
Star Wars art by Bruce Timm (the guy behind Batman the Animated Series back in the early 90’s)
I think his drawing style has a nice retro feel to them, these drawing (especially the first two) feel very much like they could have been from a Marvel comic back in the late 70’s.
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Have we actually gotten any confirmation that they’re making a Boba Fett movie? We’ve heard a lot of rumours, but not to much concrete information.
Boba Fett may be popular, but Disney have been clever so far to not bring up PT-canon in the movies. That’s not to say a Boba Fett film wouldn’t work, but they’re going to have to be very careful to manage to please as many fans as possible.
Well, for what it’s worth, the planet that Luke was hiding on is apparently called “Ahch-to."
(It was revealed by Pablo Hidalgo so maybe it’s the EU name for it?)
Picasso’s El Guern-Echo
(Considering how my avatar is a SW-parody of a famous abstract painting I’m surprised I haven’t thought of this before.)
Well, it may not be everyone’s ‘cup of tea,’ but I’ve always been a huge fan of the SW art of Cam Kennedy.
He’s a comic artist so there’s a lot to choose from, but here’s some of my favourite pices of his.
(PS, I’m always on the lookout for high-res copies of Cam Kennedy SW art.)
ZkinandBonez said:
It’s kind of hard to geek out over something like an Orson Welles film. SW has multiple films, books, comics, games, etc. Citizen Kane is just one classical movie. Hardly forum worthy.Bad argument. Even if there was just Star Wars (1977) we could still easily “geek out over” it. For example, Blade Runner is just a single film and it is easy to “geek out over” it. The way I see it, Citizen Kane just doesn’t have enough depth, width and appeal to provide the grounds for “geeking out over” it. It is just a boring snobbish film.
Yeah sure, but I’d still say that Blade Runner has more of an implied fictional world that is just begging to be explored. Although even that discussion will never reach SW proportions. Citizen Kane on the other takes place in the real world, so there’s not much to discuss other than plot and film-making techniques.
Either way, I like SW because it’s entertaining, fun, and has it’s fair share of clever moments, and I enjoy Citizen Kane because it’s thought provoking, intriguing, moving, not to mention one of the most visually impressive films of all time.
But I get that it’s not everyone’s cup of tea; it’s slow, very heavy on dialogue and implications, and it’s not what I’d call ‘entertaining’. And although I’m not part of the "it’s the best film ever, period!" crowd, I’d say its cultural status proves that it’s at least a damn good classical movie.
Abrams and Kasdan have referred to Kylo as being a bad-guy parallel to Luke, or rather a reversal of his story-arc.
So I think the similarities are definitely intentional.
Bought the Thrawn trilogy a few days ago.
(Even though I enjoyed TFA I’ve gotten this sudden urge to go back to the old EU. I’ve already dug up all of my old comic books from the 90’s.)
EDIT: speaking of SW games on gog.com, I pretty much bought all of them (PT games being the exception) when they were released. I was especially glad to see an official digital release of Galactic Battlegrounds (one of my favourite games as a kid).
Sorry to break it to everyone here, but Citizen Kane is a boring, overwrought wreck of a film.
I’m really surprised at how low the consensus rating for SW77 is on this site. People who rate it in the 8 range: why aren’t you on a Citizen Kane geek site instead of this one?
Because not everyone is a fan of just one thing.
Also, how the heck is 8 a low rating? There are film-buffs/snobs out there who would (metaphorically) lynch me for rating an SW film that high.
EDIT: Bingowings also has a good point. It’s kind of hard to geek out over something like an Orson Welles film. SW has multiple films, books, comics, games, etc. Citizen Kane is just one classical movie. Hardly forum worthy.
Apparently George is criticizing the film for being a “retro movie”
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/31/george-lucas-attacks-retro-star-wars-the-force-awakens
Well, you can’t really say he doesn’t have a point there.
Edit: and I only mean it being a somewhat “retro”, not all the crap he’s saying about SW being a soap opera etc.
Well let’s be fair, George didn’t even go ‘retro’ when he blatantly should have (in the films set before the OT) so I find it very hard to take the guy seriously. He just seems bitter.
Why exactly should he have gone retro in the PT though?
It’s set thirty-ish years earlier, so naturally it should look very different. He may not have made the best design-choices but at least he wasn’t just copying himself completely. The failure of those films were the horrible writing and contrived plots, not that it wasn’t OT enough.I agree with you to an extent. Those films are broken in terms of writing right out of the gate. But even if they weren’t, it would still have a problem with the lack of connections. They should have had the same “used universe” feel, but they didn’t. But it’s not all about aesthetic. It’s to do with ensuring that your story, setting and key plot points have a direct connection to the ‘Retro’. For instance…
Alderaan should have featured more prominently (not just in a brief montage at the end of the 3rd film) so the audience would give a shit about its destruction in ANH. That would have allowed the story to flow organically from one trilogy into the next, rather than feeling entirely separate.
Speaking of planets though, Tatooine actually featured too prominently. How many times did we need to go back there exactly? It would have been enough to establish that Owen lived there and urged Anakin to “stay there” with him rather than go with Obi Wan on the “idealistic crusade”. It would have been up to the writer the circumstances of how Anakin and Owen found themselves on Tatooine. But no, let’s make it so that Anakin only met him once AFTER having gone away and there was no “crusade” at all, and it wasn’t even Obi Wan that took him. It was Qui Gon.
Likewise, let’s replace a “great starpilot” with a little kid who drives a ground-level chariot.
Yoda trained Obi Wan? Nah. Let’s just switch it so that Qui Gon did.
Anakin was a good friend? Let’s make him an asshole.
He was “seduced” by the dark side? Let’s make it a conscious decision to save his wife.
Leia remembers her mother, you say? Well we can’t have that. Let’s kill her during childbirth!
I’m not averse to there having been new stuff in the Prequels. Of course, there had to be. But the overall aesthetic as well as specific details ought to have connected with ANH. at least a bit. There was none of the ‘used universe’ in the Prequels, and as mentioned above, key details just didn’t align. The term ‘retro’ doesn’t just apply to the look of it.
Right, I think I just read your comment slightly wrong. I completely agree that he should have made it feel more like it belonged in the same fictional universe, e.g. as you mentioned making it look more “lived in.” Many of the designs are far to shiny and futuristic looking to be set before the events of the OT. Having said that I do like a lot of the designs, especially in TPM. The story wasn’t much to praise, and the characters ranged from boring to intolerable, but the world felt and looked properly Star Wars-y. It felt kind of “lived-in” but still looked somewhat new in that it was a prosperous time, as supposed to a time of galactic tyranny in the OT.
But yes, Lucas’ did oddly enough re-do things that didn’t need to be re-done (e.g. Tatooine) and like you said he ignored what shouldn’t have been ignored (e.g. Alderaan).
I give Lucas credit for trying something new, but I give him criticism for not doing it particularly well and consistently. TFA is for me the exact opposite of the PT, I give them credit for the writing and the characters, as well as consistency, but I also think they could have been more original. However I’ll take similar-but-fun over different-but-boring any day.
Apparently George is criticizing the film for being a “retro movie”
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/31/george-lucas-attacks-retro-star-wars-the-force-awakens
Well, you can’t really say he doesn’t have a point there.
Edit: and I only mean it being a somewhat “retro”, not all the crap he’s saying about SW being a soap opera etc.
Well let’s be fair, George didn’t even go ‘retro’ when he blatantly should have (in the films set before the OT) so I find it very hard to take the guy seriously. He just seems bitter.
Why exactly should he have gone retro in the PT though?
It’s set thirty-ish years earlier, so naturally it should look very different. He may not have made the best design-choices but at least he wasn’t just copying himself completely. The failure of those films were the horrible writing and contrived plots, not that it wasn’t OT enough.
No, it’s the best film period. And I say that as someone who is usually into dramas, and not much of an action/adventure fan.
That’s not really much of an argument though.
I mean if it’s your favourite film I’m not criticizing that. It’s one of my favourite movies as well.
However, your claim is somewhat, well, “exaggerated.” Calling it one of the best sci-fi films ever made I’d agree with immediately. Calling it one of the best film in general however is something I’d feel no reason to criticize, though I’m not sure if I would personally agree, and that’s coming from someone who really loves that film.
Also my previous statement wasn’t to claim that Citizen Kane is THE best movie of all time, although I’d definitely call it one of the best myself. I was being somewhat half-sarcastic, but mostly just trying to differentiate good artistic standalone films from the kind of Ed Wood films that hardly deserve to be called movies.
I’m glad to see that my scale of “Citizen Kane - Ed Wood” has had an impact.
Also I agree that it’s important to judge a film by what it’s trying to accomplish.
The Empire Strikes Back is the best film ever made, period.
That is quite the statement.
The Holochess aliens in TFA were stop motion though. 😃
I know, that’s were I got that picture from; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sexd06I8mzg
What’s wrong with the Rathars scene? It was probably the only fully original scene in the film.
I may be repeating myself but… it just took me out of the movie. CGI monsters swallowing characters whole.
Yeah I’m sorry, I think I’ve already asked you that questions a couple of times before. I’m having a hard time to differentiate the two TFA threads, not to mention who I’m talking to.
Those monsters reminded me too much of Men In Black aliens shoehorned into a Star Wars film tbh.
That’s one way to to put it, yea.
I don’t really see that. What exactly is a proper SW monster then?
I mean just look at some of the creatures from Han’s holochess, if any of them had appeared as actual creatures in an SW film they’d look a heck of a lot weirder than the Rathars did.
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I do however agree that the CGI was a bit dull, but it’s 2015 so I hardly expected stop-motion creatures. Also Abrams isn’t enough of a risk-taker to achieve the kind of practical effects that some directors are currently managing.
There’s an exchange in the actual film after they escape that’s something like:
Finn: “How did you do that?!”
Rey: “I don’t know! I’ve flown a few ships in atmosphere before, but I’ve never left the planet!”I’m sure that’s not close to verbatim but it’s definitely the gist. It’s a line I couldn’t make out until my second or third viewing because Rey and Finn are talking at the same time very fast. I took the “few ships” she refers to to mean other junkers Unkar Plutt owns, doing odd jobs for extra rations. She says the Falcon hasn’t flown in years, but I’m sure Plutt had other freighters of similar classes. I’m seeing it again on Saturday with my family, I’ll try to remember it word for word.
Considering this forum is called original trilogy, I think a rebrand is needed as most folk in here consistently defend non-original trilogy films Tfa is just another bad spin off…my second viewing really brought this home… #originaltrilogyand anyoldshitewithstarwarsinthetitle.com
You’re assuming an awful lot of authority about the state of the forum for someone who registered less than a month ago.
I joined thinking this forum was dedicated to fans of ‘just’ the original trilogy? It seems that I was very, very wrong. Loads of TFA blinkers on in here, must have seen a different film to me as it’s just as bad as the prequels if not worse as it’s not even had the involvement of the ORIGINAL creator.
Now I know you are at the wrong place. This forum was started to support the original films, not the creator who has withheld them from us.
I knew I was in the wrong place when I read some of the threads and replies from the resident CLIQUE, you all should really try harder to be inclusive rather than criticise every post a non-clique member posts, your forum may last longer.
I’ve been a member here for roughly eight months now and I’ve hardly felt like I’ve been ignored by a “clique.” People here, like most SW fans, are just very opinionated, and you can hardly expect to find a forum where everyone will immediately agree with everything you like and dislike about something. Also you are kind of implying that the people here who acknowledge the flaws of TFA but still really enjoy it are more or less dumb or ignorant, so you’ll have to expect some retorts.
What’s wrong with the Rathars scene? It was probably the only fully original scene in the film.
That’s one consistent thing I’ve seen here, people complaining about things in TFA that didn’t bother them in ANH.
Understatement of the week.
For the record; I get being disappointed and critical of a film. Really, I do. I’m coming at this from being a fan of one Star Wars film only (until last week), swearing off all things Lucas, and having not even bothered with watching his last two cartoons. I’m well aware of what it’s like to watch a beloved story tailspin into a poorly revised, poorly written, poorly acted, CGI shitfest.
That said; I’m also aware that Star Wars77 had more than it’s fair share of contrived plot points and plot holes. I accept them, embrace the story, and go on the adventure. However…
- An escape pod the size of an SUV falls to a planet, sometime later the Empire decides to go look for it, and within minutes the stormtroopers are standing next to it? Weak.
- The pod lands very near Luke’s house and he just happens to buy the droid that was inside? Later it ends up at Ben’s, who also just happens to have the lightsaber the totally random farm boy’s dad used to own? Contrived.
The Death Star - constructed specifically to blow-up planets - has to go around a planet before it can…blow up a different planet? WTF?
The Death Star is the size of a moon, yet our heroes seem to be able to walk everywhere they need to be in what appears to be just a few minutes. Unrealistic.
A small exhaust port on a moon-sized space station can lead the entire station disintegrating? Contrived.
There are others I’m sure I’ve forgotten over the years. My point is just this; The intense criticism of The Force Awakens can easily be applied to Star Wars77. I’m at a loss as to why one gets a pass and one does not.
Yes it’s funny how artistic license can be praised in one film, but be equally hated in another.
Take these videos for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9KKnCYrihs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnSXJLbuaco
There’s roughly 30 minutes here where this guy talks about all of the plot holes and artistic license that ANH has in it, and yet he’s actually a fan of the film. However, skip his introduction and conclusion and you could easily assume that he’s actually criticizing the film.
This guy basically makes the argument that these logical flaws are what makes ANH cinematically interesting.
That’s not to say that Ithink TFA should get a pass on everything it does, but many people here are definitively overreacting.
There’s an exchange in the actual film after they escape that’s something like:
Finn: “How did you do that?!”
Rey: “I don’t know! I’ve flown a few ships in atmosphere before, but I’ve never left the planet!”I’m sure that’s not close to verbatim but it’s definitely the gist. It’s a line I couldn’t make out until my second or third viewing because Rey and Finn are talking at the same time very fast. I took the “few ships” she refers to to mean other junkers Unkar Plutt owns, doing odd jobs for extra rations. She says the Falcon hasn’t flown in years, but I’m sure Plutt had other freighters of similar classes. I’m seeing it again on Saturday with my family, I’ll try to remember it word for word.
Doesn’t Rey talk about having worked on the Falcon for years? She does know a lot about Plutt’s modifications to the ship, and even has to tell Han how to use it with all the new stuff added. It’s possible that she’s even flown it a bit during some of Plutt’s modifications.
Rey also seems to know who Plutt originally stole the Falcon from. She’s seemingly had a pretty busy life on Jakku.
Wow, really?
And I though SW marketing was crazy before Disney bought it.
Fun write up of said deleted scenes here:
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/
I’m not sure what this guys source is, but it’s interesting to read that the lightsaber in space thing was actually filmed.
And it seems like I was wrong about them not having filmed the earlier scenes with Leia talking about the Republic. At least the fan-edit guys will be very happy.
This was a very interesting little detail (specifically the last sentence);
"In the original script, Maz Kanata had Force powers. After the First Order begins their attack on the castle, Maz used her Force powers to cause the ceiling to cave in on a group of stormtroopers that had them cornered. In the sequence, Han Solo was forced to stall the stormtroopers to allow Maz to concentrate. There was a funny back and forth between him and the trooper. Han runs out of things to say so he rats out Finn, revealing that he recognized Finn’s stormtrooper boots — this is how he knew he wasn’t Resistance."
The novelization also seems to confirm that Kylo is aware of Vader’s redemption, but that Snoke has portrayed it as a moment of weakness that resulted in the fall of the Empire, hance Kylo struggle with the light side of the Force.
