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#787780
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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pablumatic said:

And Luke is apparently the "last Jedi" 30+ years after RotJ. 

Exactly what have our heroes been doing since defeating the Emperor and Vader anyway?

Luke must have been sitting out sulking somewhere by his lonesome all this time. The Rebels still can't manage to stamp out the Empire.

There better be some good explanations for all this, but I suspect I won't see them.


Isn't "Jedi" a plural as well as a singular?

(Edit: I googled it and most people seem to agree that it's "Jedi", not "Jedis" when talking about more than one Jedi knight.)
 

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#787239
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Some new TFA products/toys have revealed a few new names;
http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/08/more-interesting-toys-for-force-friday-including-bullhead-and-sarco-plank.html
http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/08/star-wars-the-force-awakens-coloring-book-reveals-two-new-characters.html

This guy is apparently names Sarco Plank

And then there's these two;

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#787132
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THX 1138 &quot;preservations&quot; + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
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poita said:

For anyone that would like to see some more of the 16mm THX:

https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/3ba0ed5b4898a4bd62093b1adcd05c6c20150830045451/d8fcd8d75941a69340e149c1e80f13fe20150830045451/3d87ac

Wow, this is actually the first time I've seen the entire film in its unaltered state. It's held up incredibly well.
(And is surprisingly view-able without any sound.)

Also what version of the film is this?
I haven't visited this thread in a couple of months, and last time I checked the scene where SEN talks with the children was partially in black-and-white.
This version also didn't have the Things to Come / Buck Rogers scene at the beginning. Wasn't one of these in the theatrical release?  

(Again, I'm sorry if this has already been discussed/explained, but I'm not quite up to speed with the progress of this project.)

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#786988
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Ryan McAvoy said:

ZkinandBonez said:

seeing these two "toys" together is probably one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
Not to mention the most suggestive.

 Is this your first time on the internet? ;-)

Well it mostly has to do with the fact that they're both licensed toys for two children's movies.

If this was actually something someone on the internet had made I really wouldn't have been that surprised. It's the fact that you could get this in any store that sold toys or candy that really gets to me.

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#786976
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FanFiltration said:

ZkinandBonez said:

As long as they don't release anything THIS gross, I won't complain...too much.

(Seriously though, what the hell were they thinking when they made this? Even as a kid in the 90's I found this thing bizarre. They essentially want you to french-kiss Jar Jar's diseased looking tongue. Ew.)

 Or the E.T. personal pleasure device for ages 4 and up!

You know, seeing these two "toys" together is probably one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
Not to mention the most suggestive.

The worst part is that now the Jar Jar lollipop kind of makes sense. It's a candy you can eat. A gross looking candy that you can eat, but at least it has a purpose.
What the hell were you supposed to do with the E.T. finger? Seriously? Were you supposed to take part in the cheapest cosplay of all time, or did they just expect you to go around and creepily poke your friends with your wrinkled E.T. finger? Seriously, what was the point (no pun intended) of this toy? It's mind boggling weird.

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#786968
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SilverWook said:

Give them time. I just wonder if they can avoid the merchandising hell Episode One opened up. ;)

As long as they don't release anything THIS gross, I won't complain...too much.

(Seriously though, what the hell were they thinking when they made this? Even as a kid in the 90's I found this thing bizarre. They essentially want you to french-kiss Jar Jar's diseased looking tongue. Ew.)

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#785241
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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I’m also somewhat cautiously optimistic about Trevorrow as director of SW IX.
If Rian Johnson actually ends up writing the scrip then I’m fine with it. But if Trevorrow ends up writing it, then I’m anticipating bad things. But if his writing influence remains on the same level as Abrams’ on TFA, being second to a more competent writer, then I think it can work out pretty well.
Also it’s not like he’s going to have to think up SW from scratch, Kasdan and Abrams will already have defined a new lore, and Johnson will have continued it by that point.

Visually speaking however I’m not really worried at all. Now that Abrams have set a standard with TFA, one which I assume that Johnson will follow, there really isn’t much that Trevorrow can add. Sure, I was very disappointed at all the CGI in Jurassic World, but I’m getting the impression that it wasn’t really up to him, and again Abrams have set a standard in TFA that I doubt he will be able to deviate from. Considering how TFA have already been marketed as a “practical effects film,” and Johnson seems to intend to do the same, it would be weird if Trevorrow would even be allowed to do anything else.
I also don’t think that he’ll shoot the last film in the trilogy digitally, since he after all shot Jurassic World on 65mm and was described in a Kodak interview as a “film convert.” And even if he directs any films digitally in the following years before SW IX, I don’t think Disney will want such a big inconsistency after TFA and SW VIII will have been shot on film. Heck, even Rogue One is beeing shot mostly on film, which is weird since Gareth Edward have so far shot all his films digitally(EDIT: seems like the anthology films will be shot digitally). My guess is that either Disney is trying to keep the films visually consistent, or that Abrams may have had some influence on their decision.

It may sound kind of strange, but I don’t think Trevorrow will have too much of an influence on the making of the film, and therefore I don’t mind him directing it.

Also, isn’t Abrams supposed to be the producer on both SW VIII and IX?

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#785238
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TV's Frink said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Any thoughts on Colin Trevorrow having been confirmed as director of SW IX?

http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/08/disney-d23-star-wars-news-rogue-one-cast-episode-ix-director-confirmed-theme-park-attraction-more.html

 My thoughts are that there's a thread for it.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Episode-IX-to-be-directed-by-Colin-Trevorrow/post/785138/#TopicPost785138

Right, never mind then.

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#785207
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I think we should all be glad that we actually got a painted poster, rather than some cheap photoshop with a tacky tagline like most movies do nowadays;

At least that's what we've been seeing from Abrams' films so far.

I also agree with DuracellEnergizer; where the heck to you guys see teal? It's orange and blue.

Also according to this webside; http://www.slashfilm.com/the-force-awakens-poster/ the poster is actually a D23 exclusive poster, meaning that there will probably be another poster in theatres come December.

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#785151
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Well at least we have confirmation that Finn will be using Anakin/Luke's lightsaber. 

I'm also personally quite happy to see that Abrams brought Struzan back. I know a lot of people associate him with the PT and special editions, but he did after all make SW posters for the re-releases back in the 80's, and regardless it's pretty awesome to see someone use a painted movie poster in 2015. It's just so much more interesting than the lazy photoshops we tend to get these days.

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#785121
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TV's Frink said:

If you think that scene is good, it's even better in the version where Obi accepts the offering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9jyoi0VS5Q

Mind altering drugs indeed, he hallucinated everything from Ric Ollie to Spock there. 
Either that or Deathsticks just really get's you in touch with the force. We already have Midichlorians, so why not? The PT's ridiculous enough as it is. 

Something else also just occurred to me; are Jedis allowed to drink? Because Obi-Wan was having a pretty funky looking drink in that scene. Heck, it's glowing.

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#785118
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SS4DarthPayne said:

http://imgur.com/a/0fFkq

So, new Lego pics? 

"Unkar's thug"?
http://i.imgur.com/0Tzqmuy.jpg
I'm guessing we'll be seing a lot of criminals on Jakku. 
It'll be interesting to see if he's associated with Tasu Leech or the Kanjiklub gang that we saw mentioned earlier.

It also seems like Phasma and her troops will attack the Resistance base that we've seen in the trailer;
http://i.imgur.com/wcAjjRc.jpg

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#785115
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TV's Frink said:

Can't answer the question, but this made me laugh:

http://deathsticks.org/soma.html

Especially that there is a "why" heading.

The "why" section was actually very convincing;
"the scene with Elan is one of those scenes that makes it wothwhile to tolerate Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman's flat acting. Matt Doran manages to infuse more life into a character that has a few seconds scene than some of the other major actors did in their much more important characters."

Can't disagree with that.

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#785104
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timdiggerm said:

ZkinandBonez said:

SilverWook said:

Elan is named in the credits. :)

Well, what do you know.
(I actually had to look the film up on YouTube to see if it was true. Also I haven't seen this film in roughly ten years.) 

 But not in the original credits!

Sigh, did Lucas change this as well?
I really don't know, like I said I haven't seen this film in like ten years and I just looked the film up on YouTube and found this image. 
Is this not what appeared in theatres in 2002?

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#785076
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SilverWook said:

Anchorhead said:

ZkinandBonez said:

...but it's a tad better than making a blatant reference to Don Quixote.

Don Quixote and Don Juan aren't the same person. Different stories and very different characters.

*edit*

I missed the Kahotay reference. Lame on both counts.

 The comics could get away with that sort of thing to a degree the movies can't. The whole of that particular storyline is completely lifted from Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven.

And I'll take Don-Wan Kihotay over Elan Sleazebaggano any day of the week. ;)

Well, at least it's an original name, sort of. I'm not really defending the PT names, all I'm saying is that I'm at least glad that the PT didn't have references to classical literature all over them. 
I mean could you imagine if Lucas' PT characters started making blatant references to Shakespeare? Like you said it was funny in the comic books as a joke, but it could never have worked in the films.
Although pointing out that the Eight for Aduba-3 storyline was taken from Seven Samurai is kind of funny, since ANH is more or less Akira Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress in space. Some of the early drafts was quite literally just that. So who knows, maybe Kihotay would have made sense as a canon character back in the pre-PT days.
I think it's practically impossible to define what makes REAL SW stories anymore. There's just to much of it, and to many contradictions to make any sense of it.

(Also it's not like Sleazanbaggano was named in the film, plus we already had Porkins (named) and Droopy McCool (not named) in the OT.)

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#785025
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SilverWook said:

If Lucas was paying enough attention at the time to give my favorite meat eating rabbit trouble, he or an assistant could have sent notes about Jedi garb.

Given that the Marvel guys weren't able to do anything with Vader for a while, (after the movie adaptation, he didn't reappear until issue 21) I imagine an Obi Wan story had to be run by someone at Lucasfilm?

It's possible, but of course Lucas would never admit that nowadays. 

But then you have to wonder, is Kihotay's armour and robes also pre-PT canon then, or just Obi-Wan's black uniform? 

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#785017
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SilverWook said:

It's debatable whether Kihotay was just a crazy old guy who admired the Jedi, and found a lost lightsaber though. His name is a lot better than some prequel characters I won't name. ;)

He did don some armor when going into battle.

The Obi Wan flashback story from issue #24, set during the Old Republic era gives us a different outfit, which ties in nicely with Luke's ROTJ look.

All true, I'm just saying that if you ignore the PT lore, you can really get away with anything. The early pre-PT EU is a great example of that. 

I also think it's pretty amazing that they predicted Luke's black outfit several years before ROTJ. I doubt that it's anything but a coincidence, but it's still pretty interesting.
The Marvel SW comic were had some pretty wacky interpretations of the SW lore anyway.

(As for Kihotay having a better name than the PT character, I'm not to sure if I agree with that. At least the PT never made any blatant references to already existing, non SW characters. I mean Grevious, Plegeuis and Tyrannus is some pretty lazy writing, but it's a tad better than making a blatant reference to Don Quixote. Then again, I don't think "Eight for Aduba-3" was ever meant to be taken seriously, so I don't really mind.)  

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#785004
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darklordoftech said:

No matter what Luke's ROTJ clothing was or wasn't meant to be, what Obi-Wan wears in Star Wars (1977) definitely wasn't meant to be a Jedi uniform. What Obi-Wan wears in Star Wars (1977) isn't what commoners across the galaxy wear, it's just what Tatooine moisture farmers wear. Look at the commoners on other planets if you don't believe me.

 Well, here's what a moisture farmer on Aduba 3 looked like in a comic from late 1977:

Now I realize that these comics have a somewhat dubious canon, but it goes to show just what SW lore was as early as in 1977. This was also the only character I could find a proper picture of, but the other Aduba-3 farmer pretty much wear the same outfit as Owen Lars did.

Also, here's what the old Jedi knight Don-Wan Kihotay (terrible name btw) looked like in the same comic:

It's kind of cheap, and lazy. Or perhaps this is what Lucas always intended it to be, I don't know. But it's not exactly like Abrams is screwing over the lore by giving Luke a Ben Kenobi-style robe rather than a black uniform. You can really stretch the lore any way you want with this, and the new Luke outfit is consistent with what we have seen in both trilogies so far, as well as some of the EU.
I'm personally just going to go with it. The black outfit would have been cool, but the new white one works just as fine. I think anyway.

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#784993
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Akton said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Also people tend to forget that Luke's black outfit in ROTJ was supposed to represent his brush with the dark side. Of course him actually tuning evil was eventually written out, but Luke did have his dark side moment while fighting Vader in the end. 
As far as the lore is concerned I can't remember having ever read that it was supposed to be an actual Jedi outfit. I'm pretty sure it was just something he put together before meeting Jabba (even the pre-PT EU added a practical explanation for the outfit.)
And of course when we see Anakin (Sebastian Shaw) at the end of ROTJ he's wearing the same moisture farmer outfit that Obi-Wan wore in ANH. Not to mention that Yoda more or less wears the same outfit. I don't actually now if this is a pre- or post-PT thing, but the reasoning behind the Jedi both in the OT and PT wearing moisture farmer outfits, or rather just a casual outfit common among colonists and farmers, were because they were supposed to be ascetics; monks more or less. Hence the humble outfits.
And Lucas was quite adamant back in the pre-PT days that the Jedi order was basically just warrior Buddhist monks, even comparing them to Yogis once. 

 I certainly took Luke's ROTJ outfit as a "Jedi uniform," and, given the context of the film, it seems were were meant to. Yes, he resembles Vader, and there is thematic significance to that. But I always saw the primary, in-universe reason for that similarity being the simple fact that Vader was once a Jedi too; thus he continued to dress more or less like a Jedi, and continued to carry and use what Palpy disparagingly referred to as "a Jedi's weapon." I mean, why else would Luke make his first public appearance as a Jedi (that's how he introduced himself to Jabba) dressed in such a strikingly distinctive uniform? The fact that the outfit strongly resembles a priest's cassock also cemented the idea (in my mind at least) that this was indeed a "Jedi uniform."

As to Anakin's ghost wearing Tatooinian robes - well, Anakin was a Tatooinian. So, there's that.

Yoda's garb was fairly different from Anakin / Obi-Wan's - much more generic hobo / hermit clothing - very rudimentary. Also, I'm of the opinion that Yoda - being a Jedi master (not a Jedi Knight) - would not have worn the militaristic uniform of a Jedi Knight, nor would he have ever carried a lightsaber. That was also Lucas' opinion back in the OT days, as evidenced by the Rinzler books.

Well, the EU certainly seems to have agreed with your militaristic uniform idea:

The Dark Horse comics of the early 90's seems to have interpreted Darth Vader's outfit, minus the robotic parts, as having been a Jedi uniform. 

However the Jedis couldn't exactly have walked around in full armour all the time, and who knows what they were originally supposed to have worn. Also I'm not sure if I buy the whole thing about Anakin having been born on Tatooine, hence the outfit on his ghost. Even the PT had the Jedi's wear different uniforms, and even express different ideologies through clothing, so I don't see why the pre-PT lore couldn't have gone for a similar thing. 
Also it kind of makes sense for the not-quite-a-Jedi-yet Luke, and Darth Vader to wear black uniforms, while the Jedi masters; Yoda and Obi-Wan wears simple garbs. Anakin of course turning to the good side towards the end could also explain why he's wearing a ascetic outfit as a spirit. And of course by the time of TFA Luke would have become a master, so it only makes sense he's be out of his black uniform. He's also, according to the rumours, hiding on some planet in deep meditation, trying hide is destructive force powers form the world around him. That's quite an ascetic thing to do, and far away from the brash, close to turning to the dark-side young farm-boy from the OT. All the OT film had Luke gradually mature from a cocky and adventurous farm-boy to a more mature, and conflicted Jedi knight. It only makes sense that he 30 years later would have more of a Jedi master vibe to him. Abrams even pointed out that a lot of the film would focus on the question; "who is Luke Skywalker," and this is a very logical next step in his character development.

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#784949
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Also people tend to forget that Luke's black outfit in ROTJ was supposed to represent his brush with the dark side. Of course him actually tuning evil was eventually written out, but Luke did have his dark side moment while fighting Vader in the end. 
As far as the lore is concerned I can't remember having ever read that it was supposed to be an actual Jedi outfit. I'm pretty sure it was just something he put together before meeting Jabba (even the pre-PT EU added a practical explanation for the outfit.)
And of course when we see Anakin (Sebastian Shaw) at the end of ROTJ he's wearing the same moisture farmer outfit that Obi-Wan wore in ANH. Not to mention that Yoda more or less wears the same outfit. I don't actually now if this is a pre- or post-PT thing, but the reasoning behind the Jedi both in the OT and PT wearing moisture farmer outfits, or rather just a casual outfit common among colonists and farmers, were because they were supposed to be ascetics; monks more or less. Hence the humble outfits.
And Lucas was quite adamant back in the pre-PT days that the Jedi order was basically just warrior Buddhist monks, even comparing them to Yogis once. 

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#784793
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cap10 said:

Kinda looks like the scavenged head of an AT-DP , a concept walker from the Rebels TV show, as if it was hollowed out and used as a helmet!

Makes sense with all the wreckage left over from the Battle of Jakku.

(The design is also a fair bit older than the Rebels TV show. Apparently it's taken from the original concept drawing of the AT-ST's in ESB.)