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#991627
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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SilverWook said:

I think those are from the British weekly issues. It ran in black and white. I dig a lot of the original covers the “extra” issues got.

Some were a tad misleading.

Actually found a batch of them in an antique shop in the 80’s. Someone had thoughtfully colored many of the interior pages with magic markers though.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Weekly
I recall the one with the weird looking Falcon being used in one of the many reprintings of the movie adaptation though.

Yes, those pin-ups are from Star Wars Weekly.

I’m a big fan of those late 70’s Goodwin/Infantino SW comics, and the UK versions had some of the best cover art.
They’re so fantastically over-the-top and cheesy.




And yes, often quite misleading;


Han basically just stuns Chewie to save his life from some Imperials, but on the cover art it’s played off as this big betrayal.

(BTW. As a person who wasn’t even born when these comics came out, I’m curious; was it annoying when the cover art exaggerated like this, or did people just accept it as the norm?)

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#991583
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The Retro Star Wars Thread
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Anchorhead said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTC3SqPyEDU&sns=em

This public service announcement from 1979 is still being used. They showed it in my defensive driving course just last year.

Wow, really?
Then again, why not. SW is as relevant now as it has ever been.

(I wonder if they shot that for the PSA, or if they used outtakes? Or maybe a bit of both?)

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#991572
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The Retro Star Wars Thread
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There’s been a lot of retro Star Wars posters, ads, etc. posted on the Random Thoughts Thread so I figured I’d make a thread specifically for sharing any kind of retro SW content, be it funny, weird, or just plain awesome.

(It doesn’t need to be just old artwork, posters, ads, comic/book covers, etc. It can be photos, videos, etc. However I would prefer the content to be for the most part limited to the 70’s and 80’s. )


I’ll start off with something simple;
like these weird Japanese Panasonic ads from the 80’s starring George Lucas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxeE3jIt5A

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#991570
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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DuracellEnergizer said:

After seeing this drawing

I now wish Leia had worn a big red cloak at some point in the OT.

Some of those late-70’s Marvel pin-us were pretty cool looking, although this is one is a tad odd compared to some of the other ones;

SilverWook said:

One thing that bugged me is how Chewbacca looked more like Bigfoot than a Wookiee long after the movie was out. It really started when Carmine Infantino took over the book. Han is really rocking that purple though.

At least he didn’t look like this;

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#991565
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The Visual Effects of The Force Awakens (Spoilers)
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Tobar said:

Crafting Creatures

This video makes me happy.

It’s so awesome to see practical creatures in a new Hollywood movie.

(It still bugs me however that Maz was so center-stage during the Tokadana scenes, as it overshadowed a lot of these amazing creatures. However Maz was pretty good as far as CG goes, and we did get to see some of the best ones very closely. I just hope Johnson will put more of them in focus as it so far seems like Edwards is doing in RO.)

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#990997
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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ATMachine said:

I think I’ve figured out why George Lucas insisted that Wookiees and Hutts should not be allowed to be Jedi in the old (Legends) EU.

He did?

It wasn’t exactly common, but they did exist;


(EDIT: Does anyone know why pictures from Wookieepedia always shrinks after a while? Or am I the only one seeing that?)

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#990705
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<em>The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey</em>
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suspiciouscoffee said:

ZkinandBonez said:

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

You have just defended PT without noticing it.

Last time I checked SW was not an attempt at “surrealist filmmaking”.

Idk, the bubble opera of innuendo was pretty surreal.

A lot of films have surreal or abstract moments in them (f.ex. the Dagobah cave vision). However that does not make the entire film “surreal”.
Mulholland Drive is a surreal movie and the plot is very hard to describe (except for on a very basic level).
SW on the other hand is pretty straight forward as it follows a very normal story structure. It may have subleties, and even some weird moments, but all in all they’re all good vs evil action/adventure stories.

I’d hardly put them in the same category ad Eraserhead simply because of the bubble opera scene in ROTS.

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#990606
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<em>The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey</em>
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imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

You have just defended PT without noticing it.

Last time I checked SW was not an attempt at “surrealist filmmaking”.

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#990455
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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SilverWook said:

Wow, I’ve never seen a photo of Boba with the poncho he has in the concept art. Wonder if they ever filmed any scenes with him wearing it?

Where did you find that?

Also I’d be quite surprised if a scene (even if it was only a few takes) of Boba Fett never ended up as bonus material at some point in the last twenty years. Then again, weirder stuff has happened with SW.

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#990446
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Anyone seen this photo before?

I found it here and I can’t recognize neither the outfit or the hair from anywhere in ESB. But I can’t remember having seen this in any deleted scenes either. It also seems unlikely that it’s some kind of wardrobe test considering how she’s actually on the set.
(It’s weird, everything just seems so off about this costume.)

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#990264
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<em>The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey</em>
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Tobar said:

While we’re on the subject.

Man, I’ve waited years for that film.
I contributed to the kickstarter back in 2012 and I was almost beginning to think the film would never get finished.


However, on the subject of people who consider Lynch pretentious.
I just don’t get it.

I’ve know people who’ll call the ending of The Shining brilliant, but who freaks out when someone does the same kind of thing, only for most of the movie (which is more-or-less what Lynch does).
Also, why is Dali a genius, but Lynch isn’t simply because he applies the same logic to a movie narrative?
I mean I completely agree that his films are the very definition of “niche”, but something not being made for everyone doesn’t automatically make it bad.
I think it’s pretty immature and ignorant to assume that just because something doesn’t work for you specifically that then it must by default be “bad”.

And also, I think it’s funny how people think Lynch’s ROTJ would have been weird. Do people honestly think Lucas would have allowed him to make a surreal SW movie? Lynch has after all directed pretty straight forward movies, including the sci-fi film Dune, which really is quite a normal sci-fi movie, considering the source material.

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#989928
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Lucas’ EU in 1977 (midi-chlorians, space gypsies &amp; crystal currency)
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MalàStrana said:

Revisionism or not, midi-chlorians are a bad idea. And the fact this is never mentioned by Ben or Yoda in the OT shows it was a useless idea to explain what the Force was. That being said, it’s not even clear what midi-bullshit really are : biological side effect of being strong with the Force or cells that give one’s Force sensitivity ?

According to the article by Rinzler (that was mentioned earlier) they are energy sensitive organism that connect your cells to the Force. So it has more to do with how a Jedi connects to the Force. So it has to do with Force sensitivity.

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#989921
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<em>The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey</em>
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TV’s Frink said:

Haarspalter said:

“Any time someone tells you that a work was secretly brilliant, and needs many thousands of words to explain why, you should be suspicious.”

Ah that explains David Lynch in general and Mullholland Drive in particular.

Well, I don’t think there’s a lot of people who calls the films of David Lynch “secretly” brilliant.
There’s a huge difference between a film warranting analysis, and a film needing analysis.

Also films can be good without the plot being blatantly obvious (it just won’t appeal to everyone).
Also you could argue that maybe the PT is too obvious (for reasons that has already been discussed to death), and that that is why they’re so bad.

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#989830
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Lucas’ EU in 1977 (midi-chlorians, space gypsies &amp; crystal currency)
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theMaestro said:

The line about the midi-chlorians was actually added by Lucas during the making of the book in 2007. The original EU guidelines had no mention of them.

Source: http://www.starwars.com/news/so-what-the-heck-are-midi-chlorians
(scroll about half-way down to the note by Rinzler. He says, “Please note: While we were preparing the text for The Making of Star Wars, Lucas added a note to this passage about midi-chlorians, bringing his original words in line with his later thoughts and the events of the prequel trilogy.”)

This is the original, historically accurate EU guideline about the Force:
“The Force is really a way of seeing; it’s a way of being with life. It really has nothing to do with weapons. The Force gives you the power to have extra-sensory perception and to be able to see things and hear things, read minds and levitate things. It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different. The Force is a perception of the reality that exists around us. You have to come to learn it. It’s not something you just get. It takes many, many years…Anyone who studied and worked hard could learn it. But you would have to do it on your own.”

Strange, considering how Rinzler points out at the beginning of the chapter that none of the things he’s quoting is part of an “official continuity” and merely represents Lucas’ thoughts on the matte in 1977. So why let him alter it?
Now I’m starting to wonder what else may have been altered, like f.ex. Threepio’s backstory of being “totally reassembled by a young boy working for a junk dealer”.

Anyway, I’ve fixed the original post to mention this.

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#989800
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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“NEW NOVEL SYNOPSIS REVEALS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JYN ERSO, HER FATHER AND DIRECTOR KRENNIC!”

“James Luceno’s upcoming novel Catalyst, which serves as a prequel to Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, has just received a synopsis by Del Rey revealing lots of interesting new details about the relationship between the main characters from the highly anticipated first Star Wars spin-off movie. Check it out…”

War is tearing the galaxy apart. For years the Republic and the Separatists have battled across the stars, each building more and more deadly technology in an attempt to win the war. As a member of Chancellor Palpatine’s top secret Death Star project, Orson Krennic is determined to develop a superweapon before their enemies can. And an old friend of Krennic’s, the brilliant scientist Galen Erso, could be the key.

Galen’s energy-focused research has captured the attention of both Krennic and his foes, making the scientist a crucial pawn in the galactic conflict. But after Krennic rescues Galen, his wife, Lyra, and their young daughter, Jyn, from Separatist kidnappers, the Erso family is deeply in Krennic’s debt. Krennic then offers Galen an extraordinary opportunity: to continue his scientific studies with every resource put utterly at his disposal. While Galen and Lyra believe that his energy research will be used purely in altruistic ways, Krennic has other plans that will finally make the Death Star a reality. Trapped in their benefactor’s tightening grasp, the Ersos must untangle Krennic’s web of deception to save themselves and the galaxy itself.

This also explains why Galen Erso would be the one who gives the Rebels the heads-up on the contruction of the Death Star (as was revealed in the international trailer a few weeks ago).

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#989790
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Lucas’ EU in 1977 (midi-chlorians, space gypsies &amp; crystal currency)
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Tyrphanax said:

It’s also interesting that I remember credits being crystalline from somewhere, too. Like space rupees perhaps? I also remember you mined “nova crystals” as currency in the game Galactic Battlegrounds, too.

Oh yeah, that’s right. If the developers of that game never read any of this, then that would be quite the coincidence.
Regardless, Nova crystals works fine for my head-canon for now.
(Also I’m glad to hear that I’m not the only one who played Galactic Battlegrounds. Such an underrated game.)

Tyrphanax said:

Tobar’s “The Academy Luke and Biggs talk about is not an Imperial Academy” theory = confirmed.

Well, what was it called in the novelization? I’ve read the other two books, but never got around to read that one.
I remember it being the Imperial Academy in the radio play however, but of course that was made a few years later.

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#989770
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Lucas’ EU in 1977 (midi-chlorians, space gypsies &amp; crystal currency)
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Tack said:

Wow… He really did have some good ideas here. I’m shocked how many of these backstories I actually really love! Like, pretty much all of them except for the way the force works…

Yeah, there’s a lot of really cool ideas here, I especially like Threepio’s backstory as I think it adds more to his personality/character than the whole Anakin-made-him-thing that we’re now stuck with.

I’m not too sure about “space gypsies” though. But I’m sure that idea could have worked provided they got a better name.


I also think that the people who insist that Lucas had the whole saga planned from the beginning should read this.

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#989750
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Lucas’ EU in 1977 (midi-chlorians, space gypsies &amp; crystal currency)
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So I borrowed the book “The Making of Star wars” from the library some time ago, and before I had to return it I took some photos of one of the last chapters that I didn’t have time to read. I found these photos again recently (I’d completely forgotten about them), and it’s a pretty interesting read.

It’s called “George Lucas Explains his Universe” and is from an “interview” with Carol Titelman where they recorded his thoughts on the expanded Star Wars universe in mid to late 1977. It was done in a method similar to role-playing where he’d answer her questions as Leia, or Threepio, etc. and thereby explain the universe of the film.
However I don’t think these role-playing sessions were ever used for anything official, even though the book implies he did it to help the fans, and possibly even the novelists and comic book writers, understand his “vision” for Star Wars.”

I’ve posted my photos of the four pages below, but I’ve also given a quick summary of the most interesting details.


Han’s background is pretty weird in this version. No saving Chewie from slavers or the Empire here. In this version he was raised by “space-gypsies”, then Wookiees, then he got kicked out of the “Space Academy” for selling exam-answers and for racing one of the professors. And for a while he was apparently a farmer on the planet “Coronee” where he herded “Coldppedas” which were large scaly giraffes with fifteen feet. And before he became a smuggler he was a mechanic on “Saberhing”. The rest is pretty much what we’re used to.

The Millennium Falcon is in this version was made on the planet “Crell” which is a gas-giant inhabited by a a species that are like “porpoises with wings”, as well as having “claw-like hands”.

It’s interesting how C-3PO’s background is both so vastly different from his retconned origin in TPM, yet at the same time, there’s some similarities.
The obvious difference being that here he’s described as 112 years old and having been manufactured in a factory on the planet “Affa”. However at some point it’s mentioned that he was “totally reassembled by a young boy working for a junk dealer”, which is very similar to Anakin working for Watto. Also, as a funny side-note, this is pretty much what Threepio’s background was in the Legends canon/EU, were he existed pre-Anakin, but was destroyed in Mos Espa, the pieces gathered by Watto and eventually re-built by Anakin.

Leia’s background really isn’t that different, nor particularly interesting.

The “History of the Empire” is of course very different from the PT, but not too different from the pre-PT descriptions of the rise of the Empire that has been discussed on this forum before.

This is also the earliest version of Lucas’ original idea that when “Vader” was corrupted to the dark side he continued to pretend to be a Jedi for a while, assassinating Jedi from within to prevent them from protesting Palpatine’s rise to power.

In this version however, the only survivors among the Jedi were Ben and “Annikin”.
It’s interesting how he describes Luke’s father as one of the survivors, implying that his death happened some time after the rise of the Empire.

The backstory of the Rebellion is pretty much the same as it has always been, except for it having started before Leia was born (then again you could argue that this is the case in the PT as well).

Lucas does however state that Threepio was “programmed not to mention having knowledge of the Princess” which I guess he did to clear up some confusion by fans as to why Threepio acted as if he didn’t know who Leia was in the film, despite that being nearly impossible.

Artoo is described as a “plumber”, but is also described as having a function similar to what we saw in TPM where he fixes parts of the spaceship (specifically the Tantive IV) on the outside. In this version Threepio and Artoo met very recently (as opposed to having known each other for decades), and it’s even suggested that Artoo has had several memory wipes, whereas Threepio has had none (which is a funny reversal of what ended up in the PT).

Lucas describes a “coin of the Galactic Realm” which is apparently a “fool proof […] coin made of a crystal-like mineral.”

Not anything particularly interesting is said about Tatooine, apart from an oddly specific little detail that “there are only a few women”.

Lucas might have been setting up potential sequel or EU stories when describing the destruction of Alderaan, because it says that it is unknown if Leia’s family were actually killed.

Lucas talking about the Force is the most interesting part to me;
At first he just talks about how lightsabers are just regular weapons, but that they are preferred by the Jedi and he gives a pretty standard description of the Force. However when he talks about how “certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans”, he mentions that they have “more midi-chlorians I their cells.” So yes, Lucas did in fact make up midi-chlorians long before the PT, however here it’s a bit vaguer. And it’s interesting that it originates from this “improvisation” session.*
He also talks about how Luke needs “another twenty years before he actually begins to cope with [the Force] on a real level.” He also states that the Force can be learned by “anyone”.

(*EDIT: Seems like Lucas has been tampering with this particular part in Rinzler’s book.)

There are apparently quite a lot of female Stormtroopers, but few of them were on the Death Star. That’s pretty much all he had to say on Stormtroopers in general.

Lucas finally explains why Chewie didn’t get a medal at the end of the movie, because apparently; “medals don’t really mean much to Wookiees. They don’t really put too much credence in them. They have different kinds of ceremonies.” He was also “given a great prize and honor during a ceremony with his own people. The whole contingent from the Rebel Alliance went to Chewbacca’s people and participated in a very large celebration. It was on honor for the entire Wookiee race”. So the whole idea of Wookiee slaves was not a thing yet. (I’m also getting a Holiday Special vibe from that second to last quote.)

Page 1 link

Page 2 link

Page 3 link

Page 4 link

EDIT: Here’s the original statement from Lucas about the Force according to the author of the book;

“The Force is really a way of seeing; it’s a way of being with life. It really has nothing to do with weapons. The Force gives you the power to have extra-sensory perception and to be able to see things and hear things, read minds and levitate things. It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different. The Force is a perception of the reality that exists around us. You have to come to learn it. It’s not something you just get. It takes many, many years…Anyone who studied and worked hard could learn it. But you would have to do it on your own.”

Source

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#989726
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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SilverWook said:

Tapes may simply be an archaic term still in use that refers to newer technology, much like when people say they filmed something with a digital camera.

“Archaic” is a bit harsh, isn’t it?
(I mean tapes aren’t that old, and film is still used quite often.)

EDIT:
Never mind, I just looked up the word and it does work for something only relatively old. There’s just something about “Archaic” that makes something sound so ancient.

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#989553
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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MathUser said:

So why did they use tapes in Star Wars? They have advanced technology. Why would they use something as inconvenient as a tape?

The somewhat obvious answer to that would be that back in the 70’s most forms of recorded medium would be referred to as “tapes”.
(It’s exactly the same as when someone in an 80’s sci-fi film set in the future uses a floppy disk.)

I’m sure people in the future will chuckle at the sci-fi films of today whenever someone mentions “discs” or “hard-drives”, etc.