I thought it worked out quite well. The grey hair created the illusion that Whitaker had aged 15 years. It’s also good that they found a way to distinguish him from the flashbacks as well.
Europe doesn’t count
Why not? We got both TFA and RO before the US.
Well… the less said about those the better. I think technically E.T. was also more or less canon via some now Legends stuff.
“Legends stuff”?
The E.T. aliens are still visible in TPM.
This thread is depressing.
I absolutely LOVED this film. It had EVERYTHING I wanted from it. Just spectacular. Puts Abrams to absolute shame.
Why is it depressing? Pretty much everyone here liked it.
Some are just pointing out what elements of the film they didn’t like, or thought could have been better/different.
However the overall consensus of RO so far is pretty positive.
ZkinandBonez said:
I personally use the “fan film” argument as an excuse to see them. I’ll simply enjoy them for what they are, SW fan films made by directors that grew up with the OT. If the film ends up being bad or mediocre, then why should I care? It’s just a silly fan film. And if it’s good, well, the it’s an enjoyable fan film.I’m just tired of crap. I’ve seen 4 god-awful Star Wars films in a row. I’m tired of paying these assholes any money when they have vandalized and failed to restore the only good films in the series for almost 20 years.
I see what you mean. But I find “they” to be quite vague and generalizing. I can enjoy Gareth Edwards’ SW fan film because it’s as much his film as it is a Disney film. Also Lucasfilm is hardly responsible for Fox not releasing the unaltered OT. I still can’t quite figure out if Disney can/should be blamed for it as well. There is after all a lot of people involved in these things.
But I get what you’re saying. Even though I personally liked RO, and found TFA passable, I’m already getting a bit of a SW fatigue. However I’m just glad to see that these “fan films” are re-legitimizing the OT while pushing the PT out of the spot-light. These Disney films are already getting kinda out of hand, but at least coming generations of SW fans will have 8 OT-style/era movies, and only 3 PT-era movies. The lack of a proper OT is still frustrating, but I’m counting my blessings at this point.
Well, you could argue that all the Disney SW films are essentially just high budget fan-films.
Yes, and we’ve known (or should have known) that would be the case since 2012.
Not going to pay more money for fan service cash grabs when the OOT still hasn’t been restored.
I personally use the “fan film” argument as an excuse to see them. I’ll simply enjoy them for what they are, SW fan films made by directors who grew up with the OT. If the film ends up being bad or mediocre, then why should I care? It’s just a silly fan film. And if it’s good, well, then it’s an enjoyable fan film.
The pics I’ve seen of Tarkin look terrible…
“pics”?
I googled it and could only find one very low res picture from RO.
The only Leia one I could find was the one posted above.
I saw two, but now one is gone. It was a kinda profile view. He looks somehow “dopey” in both.
Not too bad really, but I’m so familiar with Peter Cushing (from far more than just Star Wars) that there is little chance of it not pulling me out of the moment. It does looks like something I could adjust to though if the performance is good.
I see what you mean. When I first saw Tarkin staring out the window at the DS, I was consciously wondering if he would be CG or an actor with prosthetic when he turned around. In other words my curiosity and expectations took me out of the movie very briefly. And when he did turn around and was revealed to be CG, I was again very conscious of it. But once he showed up for the second time I had more-or-less adjusted to it. I think a lot of people here, like me, are simply to critical of these things to ever get completely used to it, but I do think most of us will get used to it eventually. And I personally thought the actor did a very good job of emulating Tarkin.
To be honest, I thought the recycled Red Squadron shots were far more jarring than CG Tarkin and Leia. They obviously looked more real, but I recognized those shots from ANH and it was immediately clear (to me at least) that those were 40-ish year old film-footage spliced into a digitally shot movie. The two CG characters did at least fit into RO’s more modern aesthetic.
(Just FYI, I didn’t dislike the inclusion of Red Squadron. It was a pretty clever idea. But I did find it to be the most jarring part of the movie. It definitely had that “fan-film” vibe to it.)
Well, you could argue that all the Disney SW films are essentially just high budget fan-films.
The pics I’ve seen of Tarkin look terrible…
“pics”?
I googled it and could only find one very low res picture from RO.
The only Leia one I could find was the one posted above.
They both look stranger in motion, but I guess it depends on the individual viewer, or how far you’re willing to suspend your disbelief. Although I personally aren’t a fan of this technique, it was convincing enough to not take me out of the movie. However I wouldn’t say that it looked “real”, but it was quite impressively done none-the-less.
And although a look-alike actor would have been more “normal” looking, I must admit that more-or-less seeing Cushing and a young Carrie Fisher made the experience quite interesting. I’m at least glad that they didn’t CG Mon Mothma as she has far more scenes.
Zkinandbonez is there any chance you could roughly tell us what scenes are not in the film from the trailers?
I have heard that the Tie Fighter on the Gantry is Gone all the running with the plan’s are gone. But nobody has really talked about how much is gone?
I am just curious how much from the trailers was either from prior to reshoot / Deleted Scenes or simply Marketing…
I go on Friday to see it. I don’t want to know so much what is in it but what we have seen that is not…
I just re-watched the sizzle reel and was surprised that the shot of Jyn and Cassian running on the beech with the plans were not in the film. Neither were the TIE rising up to view on the gantry.
The sizzle reel also has Jyn talking to a bald Saw, which is not in the film. I’m guessing this has to do with the re-shoots. Saw is only seen bald in the flashback opening scene. In all other scenes he has hair. Also, like I mentioned in my post, a lot of Saw’s lines from the trailers were completely gone.Moroff was also never seen on Scarif, as the BTS footage and toys suggested. Bistan likewise only appeared very briefly. Pao got some decent screen-time, but he was hardly an important character.
The sizzle reel shot of Tudyk running with the Rebel soldiers on Scarif is also inconsistent with the final film. K-2SO is on Scarif, but he never runs on the beech while under fire.There’s also a lot of smaller moments that’s missing; Jyn giving the fruit to the child on Jedha, rebels soldiers captured by Imperials, etc. It seem that they shot a lot of stuff on the Jedha City set, but chose to cut much of it out.
There might have been more, but this is all I can remember right now.
Is Moroff seen at all in Rogue One? And what about Edrio Two Tubes?
Yes, Moroff makes a few brief apparances on Jedha. And Edrio is the member of Saw’s group that is seen the most. Though I guess his twin may have made a few unannounced appearances.
^ I really liked this shot so I hope it’s there?
Oh right, I’d completely forgotten about that scene.
No, that scene is not in the final film.
Which is kind of weird now that I think about it. It seemed like such an important moment. However I can’t imagine when this scene could have taken place within the events shown in the final film.
OK Thanks man!
So the more recent trailers are comparable to the final film?
Does that shot of Krennic feature with his cape getting wet?
Yes, I think so. Which shot exactly are you referring to? Could you give me a link to the trailer?
Also, even the recent trailers/TV-spots had shots that were missing from the final film.
Zkinandbonez is there any chance you could roughly tell us what scenes are not in the film from the trailers?
I have heard that the Tie Fighter on the Gantry is Gone all the running with the plan’s are gone. But nobody has really talked about how much is gone?
I am just curious how much from the trailers was either from prior to reshoot / Deleted Scenes or simply Marketing…
I go on Friday to see it. I don’t want to know so much what is in it but what we have seen that is not…
I just re-watched the sizzle reel and was surprised that the shot of Jyn and Cassian running on the beech with the plans were not in the film. Neither were the TIE rising up to view on the gantry.
The sizzle reel also has Jyn talking to a bald Saw, which is not in the film. I’m guessing this has to do with the re-shoots. Saw is only seen bald in the flashback opening scene. In all other scenes he has hair. Also, like I mentioned in my post, a lot of Saw’s lines from the trailers were completely gone.
Moroff was also never seen on Scarif, as the BTS footage and toys suggested. Bistan likewise only appeared very briefly. Pao got some decent screen-time, but he was hardly an important character.
The sizzle reel shot of Tudyk running with the Rebel soldiers on Scarif is also inconsistent with the final film. K-2SO is on Scarif, but he never runs on the beech while under fire.
There’s also a lot of smaller moments that’s missing; Jyn giving the fruit to the child on Jedha, rebels soldiers captured by Imperials, etc. It seem that they shot a lot of stuff on the Jedha City set, but chose to cut much of it out.
There might have been more, but this is all I can remember right now.
I just saw the film, and I really liked it. I had a much better feeling coming out of this than I did last year with TFA.
I can’t really complain about much. It’s tad jarring to see so many SW conventions removed, but that’s kind of the point of the anthology films, so that’s just something to get used to. And as far as I’m concerned it worked quite well. I didn’t mind the text telling you what planet you were seeing, and I’m glad that they at least included the “A long time ago…” intro.
The locations where interesting, the aliens looked amazing (they had less screen time than I expected though), and the action was really solid and managed to avoid relying on CG. I mean there was a lot of CG, but it was always in the background, while the action felt very grounded. It’s not like TFA did this poorly, but I felt that RO did it better.
Contrary to what I’ve read, I felt the pacing was very good. The first 10 minutes after the flashback, was a tad fast, but it didn’t annoy me in any way. They simply had to cover a lot of ground, and it did allow the rest of the film to take it’s time.
I’m also very glad that the film stuck with it’s war-movie feel. It never felt like it was trying to be overly child-friendly. I was actually surprised at just how dark it actually was. Some scenes were quite intense. Also, K-2SO didn’t feel like the forced comic-relief that many feared. If anything, within the context of the film, the came of as more of an eccentric than as being the “funny guy”.
The score was fine. It felt like a proper SW score, but I must admit that it was somewhat forgettable. But it did the job, so I’m not really complaining.
There was one scene which felt weird to me though. It wasn’t bad, it was just…strange. It has this really weird creature in it. Maybe after seeing the film a second time I won’t mind this scene at all. It was just very unexpected, and quite unlike anything I’ve seen in a SW movie before. (It actually gave me kind of a Dark Empire vibe.) Obviously the SW galaxy is quite big, so there’s no reason why this thing wouldn’t exist. It just came as surprise that’s all. Like I said, I probably won’t mind it the next time I see it.
(Since it hasn’t been released in the US yet, I’ll avoid any major spoilers, such as who dies, etc. but I’ll make a few references to the end of the film.)
SPOILERS:
I was quite impressed by CG Tarkin, and I’m usually quite against these kinds of things. Sure, I still found all his scenes to be a tad weird, but I can’t really see how they could have done it any other way, and they did a very good job of it. Leia’s very brief appearance, was of the same quality. Impressive, but my very CG-skeptical tendencies still found it weird, but not weird enough to take me out of the film. It’s hard to explain, it was both weird and very cool at the same time.
I’m was quite impressed by how they handled Vader. I think they struck a good balance between the fans that wanted him to barely appear and those who wanted a lot of him. His appearances were brief, but very interesting. And although I was originally very skeptical to the idea of seeing Vader in action, I was impressed by how it was handled. It was short, but was still exiting. Vader was properly intimidating, and it felt very natural within the plot. There were two other bits of fan service which felt a little forced though. Luckily they were very short.
I also liked how they handled Jedha, and how they set up the Whills for future EU material.
A lot of lines from the trailers are completely gone. No “I, rebel” line, neither of Krennic’s “power” lines. Saw’s “the world is coming undone” line was gone. Actually the dialogue was much better than I expected. It had it’s Hollywood moments, but it didn’t annoy me like I had feared it would based on just seeing the trailers.
I was also relived to see how they handled the so called “plot hole” of ANH. There is no dialogue where Galen talks about adding the exhaust port. He does however talk about having designed the power-core (or whatever it’s called) to be “flawed” in such a way so that if attacked it will create a chain-reaction destroying the DS. I’m glad that they focused on this weakness, rather than some convoluted explanation about the exhaust port.
Probably redundant information, but here’s the EU details as well;
As per usual these things should be taken with a grain of salt, but I personally think it’d be great if this did turn out to be true;
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/12/star-wars-episode-viii-rumor-a-more-practical-snoke.html
Hopefully this shot will look less ridiculous in it’s proper context (or maybe it’s an alternate take).
Banthas could have been brought in as cattle and escaped.
Rontos fall into the category of putting silly CGI creatures into a shot that were never intended to have them in the first place.
Sure. I’m just saying that I’m surprised they can live on Tatooine at all.
Also I wasn’t just referring the Ronto, there were Dewbacks in ANH as well (all versions).
RE: the ronto, I’ve always figured they weren’t indigenous to Tatooine, but rather that they were imported somewhere along the line. I suspect there was some legends stuff somewhere along the line that contradicts that idea, but as far as I know it’s a valid theory again.
I think that pretty much everything we saw/heard of on Tatooine except Tuskens, Jawas, Krayt Dragons and Womp Rats are supposed to be imported.
I saw a thumbnail to a Rogue One trailer and saw the Ghost ship from Rebels and even though the ship could just have a new crew aboard I wish I hadn’t seen it.
It’s very unlikely that it’ll be anything more than a very brief cameo, so I don’t really see the problem.
It’s basically the same as the appearance of the Outrider in the ANH SE
The Rontos never made sense on a desert planet. Such a large creature probably eats and drinks more than they’re worth as a pack animal. And I can’t see them doing heavy lifting like Asian elephants, because they have droids and tech for such things.
True. But at least it’s a reptile, which makes a lot more sense than having a huge furry mammal in the desert;
(EDIT: I’m surprised to see that there’s no canon explanation for this. Not even in Legends. Wookieepedia simply states that they’re “one of the most adaptable herbivorous creatures in the galaxy.”)
Well, CG has improved quite a lot since 1997, and I was hoping for a more subtle addition than those weird creatures that Lucas added to the SE and PT. I’d would prefer a more practical solution, but I still can’t help but feel that an actual camel would be more distracting than some CG creature.
“Introducing Jyn Erso” Featurette
Not a lot of new stuff here, but I did find this one BTS shot both interesting and weird.
In addition to the fact that those weird red-hooded monks that we saw a photo of earlier will very likely be a bit more than just background characters, there’s also some camels. Just regular real-life camels, nothing fancy added to them that I can see. I guess they might replace them with some CG creatures, and the SW-universe has had regular birds, lizards, snakes, etc. so I guess this isn’t that strange. Any thoughts?
For some reason I just don’t like the idea of camels in SW.
Yes, it does seem a bit out of place doesn’t it.
Birds and lizards I get, but camels seem a bit too obvious. Hopefully they’ve covered them with some CG creature in the actual film, or maybe there’s some details that we can’t see in the screen-shot that makes them look more alien.
“Introducing Jyn Erso” Featurette
Not a lot of new stuff here, but I did find this one BTS shot both interesting and weird.
In addition to the fact that those weird red-hooded monks that we saw a photo of earlier will very likely be a bit more than just background characters, there’s also some camels. Just regular real-life camels, nothing fancy added to them that I can see. I guess they might replace them with some CG creatures, and the SW-universe has had regular birds, lizards, snakes, etc. so I guess this isn’t that strange. Any thoughts?
