ZkinandBonez

Also, it seem like we can now write off the Fuerteventura sets that we saw photos of last year as being Tatooine;

So if this guy in Rogue One was called “space monkey”…

what does that make this guy?

It’s probably just a coincidence, but it would be funny if the anthology films would start a ‘tradition’ of introducing a new monkey-alien every other year.

I like the space-monster at the end, reminds me of the space-slug in ESB. And it “explains” how Han seemed so quick to realize that the ‘cave’ was alive.

I’m also intrigued by the new villain. He/they don’t seem Imperial, which is a much needed change from the last three films.

Hard to judge Ehrenreich from just this trailer, but I think his voice is going to take a lot of time to get used to. It’s not as deep as Ford’s, but then again this is a young Han Solo. However, from the few lines in the trailer I think he does a fine job at mimicking Ford’s speech patterns in the OT, without making it too similar.

I also think its funny how different this trailer was in tone from the TV spot from yesterday. This felt more lighthearted and comedic while the TV spot had a RO feel to it.

EDIT:

Maybe I’ over-analyzing here, but did anyone else get the impression that this moment was from the Lord and Miller shoot? The humour strikes me as a little weird, and I started to wonder if maybe they’re trying to test the audience reactions to see what they’ll keep in the final cut of the film. Kind of like how the “I rebel” line from the RO trailers were removed from the final movie.

MalàStrana said:

emanswfan said:

And it also seems to be a nice continuation of the Rogue One’s heightened realism aesthetic.

It’s SW. Why would anyone want a “realism aesthetic” ? I really miss when SW were space-op movies and not gray looking Marvel flicks…

I don’t see how the ST movies so far have been colourless. I would have described both of them as being quite colourful, especially by modern standards.

Also, RO was supposed to be a more gritty war-movie, and Solo might go for a similar style. Plus, it is set during the early days of Imperial tyranny, and the whole “hope” themes of the OT and RO isn’t really that relevant yet. n addition this story is about a group of criminals during Imperial rule, so colourful isn’t really necessary.

And as for “realism aesthetic”, isn’t that kind of what made ANH stand out from sci-fi at the time? That unlike previous science fiction like, f. ex. Star Trek, it looked “realistic”. The OT wasn’t overly colourful, it had many grey or single-coloured interiors, the space ships were dirty and look worn, and ANH even had shaky-cam scenes. The OT, was, for the most part, not that much more colourful than what you naturally got from shooting in colourful environments (like Tunisia for Tatooine or northern California for Endor).

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

[ZkinandBonez said:]
Of course I guess they could always come up with some elaborate EU explanation later.

Or just ignore the EU.

I’m just saying that if they did, they could just leave it to the EU to explain how it works. This way they can get away with quite a lot of weird ideas.

Plus, it’s not like they can do anything. I’m assuming that they have to adhere to the EU to a certain degree. Lucas may not have cared, but I think Disney SW is a bit more concerned with continuity.

EvenSteven said:

• Force ghosts of Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin face Kylo before the final fight (sounds like fan fiction, but it could happen).

Even if Abrams would want to bring back Qui-Gon, would they let him? I thought it was established that he couldn’t manifest fully as a ghost, but only as a voice.

Of course I guess they could always come up with some elaborate EU explanation later.

EvenSteven said:

• Rey decides to teach the ways of the Force as a neutral path instead of light or dark.

Personally, I really hope they don’t do this. I’m not a fan of this “balance” thing, to me it really contradicts the whole “message” of the SW saga.

I get stuff like the Bendu in the EU, but to actually make Rey a Grey Jedi in a saga film would be really weird. I might work, but they’d have to come up with a really good reason/explanation for it. (Maybe a set-up for ep. 10-12?)

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ElectroDroid said:

So I was on the whole kind of disappointed with the ST after TLJ, and I realized its mostly because the ST is just a rebootquel, not the continuation I wanted. So I’m going to check out the Thrawn Trilogy and see how I like it compared to the ST.

Just keep in mind (if you didn’t already know) that the Thrawn trilogy takes place only five years after ROTJ, so there’s still Imperials, etc. Though at this point they’re the underdogs, and the Rebellion has became the New Republic. All the new factions start showing up in the later novels.

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I’m really curious to see what the new EU novels will do in the future to cover the gap in between ROTJ and TFA. Either very little will happen, or a lot will happen until everything returns back to “empire” vs “rebels.”

One of these days they’ll make a trilogy of novels about Snoke and how he acquired all his money and finally fanboys will stop complaining…

…well, at least the part about making novels about Snoke is plausible.

Well that goes without saying (the Snoke novel part, that is). However, I was more referring to the politics of the SW galaxy. I figure at some point the new EU have to invent some new factions and some lesser conflicts/wars that doesn’t follow the OT formula. I find it hard to believe that they can just do “rebels” vs “empire” for the whole thirty year time span. Maybe for now, but at some point they really do have to think up something else.

They practically can’t for most of those thirty years. They’ve established that the Empire was defeated a year after Endor. On the other side, the First Order didn’t come to be known until at most around six years before TFA, and even then it wasn’t until basically TFA that there was actually an out and out war with them.

Shouldn’t that make it easier for them? That means they have 24 years without the First Order. At least 15-20 of those years should be available for the EU in the coming years. After all, the ST is done in 2019, so even the remaining few years should be up for EU exploration in not too long a time.

When I said “can’t” I meant they can’t do rebels vs empire. It’s an extremely open slate. If I’m not mistaken, besides a few isolated flashbacks in the Phasma novel, we’ve had no content at all yet in the 23 year gap between the final Aftermath book (where the Empire is defeated) and the novel Bloodline (where the First Order makes their “first” appearance). So pretty much anything can happen in there.

Ah, I see.

Well in that case it’ll be pretty interesting to see what the new canon can come up with for those years in the future.

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ElectroDroid said:

So I was on the whole kind of disappointed with the ST after TLJ, and I realized its mostly because the ST is just a rebootquel, not the continuation I wanted. So I’m going to check out the Thrawn Trilogy and see how I like it compared to the ST.

Just keep in mind (if you didn’t already know) that the Thrawn trilogy takes place only five years after ROTJ, so there’s still Imperials, etc. Though at this point they’re the underdogs, and the Rebellion has became the New Republic. All the new factions start showing up in the later novels.

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I’m really curious to see what the new EU novels will do in the future to cover the gap in between ROTJ and TFA. Either very little will happen, or a lot will happen until everything returns back to “empire” vs “rebels.”

One of these days they’ll make a trilogy of novels about Snoke and how he acquired all his money and finally fanboys will stop complaining…

…well, at least the part about making novels about Snoke is plausible.

Well that goes without saying (the Snoke novel part, that is). However, I was more referring to the politics of the SW galaxy. I figure at some point the new EU have to invent some new factions and some lesser conflicts/wars that doesn’t follow the OT formula. I find it hard to believe that they can just do “rebels” vs “empire” for the whole thirty year time span. Maybe for now, but at some point they really do have to think up something else.

They practically can’t for most of those thirty years. They’ve established that the Empire was defeated a year after Endor. On the other side, the First Order didn’t come to be known until at most around six years before TFA, and even then it wasn’t until basically TFA that there was actually an out and out war with them.

Shouldn’t that make it easier for them? That means they have 24 years without the First Order. At least 15-20 of those years should be available for the EU in the coming years. After all, the ST is done in 2019, so even the remaining few years should be up for EU exploration in not too long a time.

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ElectroDroid said:

So I was on the whole kind of disappointed with the ST after TLJ, and I realized its mostly because the ST is just a rebootquel, not the continuation I wanted. So I’m going to check out the Thrawn Trilogy and see how I like it compared to the ST.

Just keep in mind (if you didn’t already know) that the Thrawn trilogy takes place only five years after ROTJ, so there’s still Imperials, etc. Though at this point they’re the underdogs, and the Rebellion has became the New Republic. All the new factions start showing up in the later novels.

---

I’m really curious to see what the new EU novels will do in the future to cover the gap in between ROTJ and TFA. Either very little will happen, or a lot will happen until everything returns back to “empire” vs “rebels.”

One of these days they’ll make a trilogy of novels about Snoke and how he acquired all his money and finally fanboys will stop complaining…

…well, at least the part about making novels about Snoke is plausible.

Well that goes without saying (the Snoke novel part, that is). However, I was more referring to the politics of the SW galaxy. I figure at some point the new EU have to invent some new factions and some lesser conflicts/wars that doesn’t follow the OT formula. I find it hard to believe that they can just do “rebels” vs “empire” for the whole thirty year time span. Maybe for now, but at some point they really do have to think up something else.

ElectroDroid said:

So I was on the whole kind of disappointed with the ST after TLJ, and I realized its mostly because the ST is just a rebootquel, not the continuation I wanted. So I’m going to check out the Thrawn Trilogy and see how I like it compared to the ST.

Just keep in mind (if you didn’t already know) that the Thrawn trilogy takes place only five years after ROTJ, so there’s still Imperials, etc. Though at this point they’re the underdogs, and the Rebellion has became the New Republic. All the new factions start showing up in the later novels.

I’m really curious to see what the new EU novels will do in the future to cover the gap in between ROTJ and TFA. Either very little will happen, or a lot will happen until everything returns back to “empire” vs “rebels.”

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Meh, stranger things have happened in SW.

Dare I ask?

These two? Lovers.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/One_Last_Night_in_the_Mos_Eisley_Cantina:_The_Tale_of_the_Wolfman_and_the_Lamproid

Well, that’s what I get for asking.

I guess some EU writers were just really into inter-species relationships.

Somehow I think I just came across an even weirder one while reading the Lando series:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aleksin & http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pavol

Apparently these two cat-men aliens are both clones and lovers. I’m not sure what to think about this one.

Their template must have been one narcissistic fellow.

Pretty much. A sub-plot in the comic is actually that they want a clone “child”. I guess two of him just wasn’t enough.

Mocata said:

So as I understand it, the TIE Defender made it back into the canon at some point on TV. What about the Scimitar assault bomber? Are the Assault Gunboats still just left as board games / video games? Where’s all the stuff?

I think the new canon vehicles are going to pretty much remain the same until they introduce new ships in the new movies. Legends was kind of its own thing in many ways, the new EU seems to, for the moment anyway, to primarily serve whatever new movie or series is currently being released. So I would’t expect to see any Scimitar assault bombers or Assault Gunboats anytime soon. But I’m sure Solo, like RO, is going to introduce a few new ships.

ZkinandBonez said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Meh, stranger things have happened in SW.

Dare I ask?

These two? Lovers.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/One_Last_Night_in_the_Mos_Eisley_Cantina:_The_Tale_of_the_Wolfman_and_the_Lamproid

Well, that’s what I get for asking.

I guess some EU writers were just really into inter-species relationships.

Somehow I think I just came across an even weirder one while reading the Lando series:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aleksin & http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pavol

Apparently these two cat-men aliens are both clones and lovers. I’m not sure what to think about this one.

MalàStrana said:

Question about a book published in 1995, The Illustrated Star Wars Universe (hardcover edition). Is there some kind of autographed/signed issue by both the authors (McQuary & Kevin Anderson) ? I can’t find anything about that.

This is the “Pics & GIFs” thread.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/General-Star-Wars-Random-Thoughts-Thread/id/12545

Jeebus said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Collipso said:

ZkinandBonez said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

Multiple pages of argument in the TLJ Review thread over whether or not Luke force-choked the Gamorrean guards at Jabba’s palace.

Well that’s easy.

He did.

Well, using both the script and the movie itself as reference, there’s plenty of convincing arguments that he technically didn’t.

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Though I had no idea this had anything to do with a TLJ review. How exactly are those two related?

I think they were arguing Luke’s moral standards, if he’d do bad things, such as choking people at all.

And no, there are no convincing arguments that he didn’t. Adywan quoted the script (or the novelization) and it’s pretty clear that the guards were being choked.

There’s also the complete lack of the Force choke sound effect that was used in every choke scene earlier in the OT (and all subsequent film as well).

Nope, it’s definitely still there, and the audio tracks back it up. Specifically looking at the bottom track, which is for the deeper, more bass-y, sounds.

Here’s the clip with only that bottom audio track enabled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qg8pZnl8FI

You can even hear what sounds like bones crunching.

Weird. Which version did you use for that video? I checked my copy of both the GOUT and the despecialized version, turned up the sound, and I really can’t hear it in either.

I can sort of hear the “crunching” sound you referred to, but it sounds different, and more like a gargle to me.

EDIT:

Jeebus said:

We need a thread for this.

Yes.

(You make one? I make one?)

Collipso said:

ZkinandBonez said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

Multiple pages of argument in the TLJ Review thread over whether or not Luke force-choked the Gamorrean guards at Jabba’s palace.

Well that’s easy.

He did.

Well, using both the script and the movie itself as reference, there’s plenty of convincing arguments that he technically didn’t.

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Though I had no idea this had anything to do with a TLJ review. How exactly are those two related?

I think they were arguing Luke’s moral standards, if he’d do bad things, such as choking people at all.

And no, there are no convincing arguments that he didn’t. Adywan quoted the script (or the novelization) and it’s pretty clear that the guards were being choked.

The novel says he chocked them, yes, but the script is much more vague.

“Luke raises his hand and points at the puzzled guards, who immediately lower their spears and fall back.”

There’s also the complete lack of the Force choke sound effect that was used in every choke scene earlier in the OT (and all subsequent film as well).

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

Multiple pages of argument in the TLJ Review thread over whether or not Luke force-choked the Gamorrean guards at Jabba’s palace.

Well that’s easy.

He did.

Well, using both the script and the movie itself as reference, there’s plenty of convincing arguments that he technically didn’t.

Though I had no idea this had anything to do with a TLJ review. How exactly are those two related?

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Collipso said:

What does bleeding a crystal mean anyway?

It means that a Sith takes a living Kyber crystal that has already bonded with a Jedi and forces his will onto it, and “bleeding” it in the process, turning it red. The idea is that all Sith must earn their lightsabers by killing a Jedi and stealing their crystal.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bleeding

Meh.

If there needs to be a specific reason why Sith use red lightsabers and Jedi use blue/green lightsabers, why can’t it just be tradition? Perhaps in their early past, both orders used a wider variety of lightsaber colours, but they gradually stopped using such colours once they became associated with their trademark hues. Why must everything be so damn convoluted?

Sure, it doesn’t have to be so specific, and it does aesthetically limit the bad guys somewhat, but I guess they felt the colours had become somewhat too arbitrary and purely cosmetic at some point, and when they began the new EU they saw a chance to add some more ‘magic’ into the new lore. I still mostly prefer the old stories, I’m just glad to see that the new ones are putting a lot of emphasis on the fantasy aspects of SW again.

Collipso said:

What does bleeding a crystal mean anyway?

It means that a Sith takes a living Kyber crystal that has already bonded with a Jedi and forces his will onto it, and “bleeding” it in the process, turning it red. The idea is that all Sith must earn their lightsabers by killing a Jedi and stealing their crystal.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bleeding

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Reason number 1,475 canon is dumb:

Phrases like “bleeding crystal.”

Why? Shooting lightning out of hands is fine, but manipulating living crystals isn’t?

Though I have many issues with the official canon, I do appreciate the return to a more fantasy approach to the lore. After a while the old one got a but too Sci-fi-y.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

But nope. Red = bad & everything else = good for stupid EU reasons.

“you’ve constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are now complete. Now join me, throw this away, and build a red one.”

At least in the new canon he could simply have bled the crystal to red and kept the saber.

Then again the Sith and Jedi do enjoy their overly convoluted trials and rituals.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I wonder what the EU thought about red lightsabers before the PT? Combined with Vader’s appearance, it’s such a clear visual indicator that he is a villain. Yet, I can’t think of any Sith or Dark Jedi other than Vader that had a red saber prior to TPM.

Kharys, Flint, Brakiss, Zekk during his stint with the Shadow Academy, Sindra, the darksiders in Empire’s End, and this guy all had red lightsabers.

I’m not sure if I’d count the old Marvel comics as reliable sources, I mean they couldn’t even get Luke’s lightsaber right. Dark Empire can also be a bit ambiguous colour-wise.

You’re completely right about the rest though. And now that I really think about it, Jerec had a red lightsaber as well. (And he was one of the most classically villainous characters since the OT.)

It still makes me wonder though what the general consensus was at Lucasfilm in the 90s.

Mocata said:

In the old comics there was a villain with a blue saber with two blades as well.

Exar Kun?

I wonder what the EU thought about red lightsabers before the PT? Combined with Vader’s appearance, it’s such a clear visual indicator that he is a villain. Yet, I can’t think of any Sith or Dark Jedi other than Vader that had a red saber prior to TPM.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Meh, stranger things have happened in SW.

Dare I ask?

These two? Lovers.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/One_Last_Night_in_the_Mos_Eisley_Cantina:_The_Tale_of_the_Wolfman_and_the_Lamproid

Well, that’s what I get for asking.

I guess some EU writers were just really into inter-species relationships.

NeverarGreat said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Mocata said:

Red itself being “bad” is just a terrible idea though.

Exactly.

Ideally, lightsaber colours would be

A. chosen to represent the character’s persona

B. chosen to mesh with the character’s overall aesthetic

But nope. Red = bad & everything else = good for stupid EU reasons.

Lightsabers are deadly weapons used for maiming and killing people (and sometimes slicing up Tauntauns). The idea that Jedi are concerned with how their color matches their personality makes me giggle.

Wouldn’t the new canon make more sense then? At least there is a ‘spiritual’ reasoning behind the colours, whereas in the old EU it was literally a cosmetic choice based on personality traits.