ZkinandBonez

While watching Original Thrillogy’s ROTJ changes video I noticed for the first time that there’s a normal human woman in Jabba’s Palace that appears right after Oola falls into the Rancor pit. That may not seem too weird, but there aren’t that many humans in Jabba’s palace, and I remember reading in the visual dictionary as a kid that Jabba didn’t like humans, which is why there’s so few of them his entourage. Her costume is also really mundane; she’s just wearing a purple body-suit, nothing particularly science-fiction-y. When I first saw it I though it had to be part of a rehearsal without an alien suit or something like that, but she’s in all the clips (OT & SE) I’ve looked at online. The colour-grading on the SE’s is so dark that it’s hard to make her out, plus one of the shots was replaced with reaction shot of CG Sy Snootles in the SE.

https://youtu.be/WTmohwSrULY?t=347

Booman said:

That would have made for a way better opening imo, although I can see why they wanted to shy away from having a 30-year-old rotting hand be literally the first thing you see in the film. Maybe they didn’t want to set the bar too high.

Well, it certainly would have been a memorable SW moment, even if it doesn’t really make much sense.

However, I do wish they had stuck with this opening concept that was even storyboarded.

SilverWook said:

It probably happens too fast to be noticed at normal speed, but Luke has a pretty good grip on his saber.

And now I have the mental image of his hand grasping the hilt long after it falls.

Don’t forget that it was almost canonized in TFA that that hand would still be grasping the saber thirty years later (and that it also made its way into space somehow).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rolEdZ3c2Fk&list=PLYn2a0e2FVIKni_wHXR5CJYBnnnYH7mIB&index=121&t=0s

ATMachine said:

The Rinzler comic version of the 1974 draft made several arguable errors - for instance, George Lucas in 1974 almost certainly imagined Annikin Starkiller with dark hair (like Jeffrey Hunter in The Searchers, vs. blond-haired romantic foil Clieg Whitsun) and Prince Valorum as black (a literal “black knight” & a precursor to James Earl Jones’ Vader).

Right. It also adds a lot of unnecessary “easter eggs” from later SW movies.

I do like the comic, but it also feels too modern-looking to me, as opposed to what the film might have looked like if it had been made in the early 70’s. Though I can see why Mayhew made it the way he did since he basically had to interpret most of the designs from scratch. I image it would be easier to make adaptations of the later drafts look more authentically retro since at that point McQuarrie, Tavoularis, etc. had already established a “look”.

That’s awesome.

I really wish they’d make the 2nd & 3rd draft into comics similarly to what they did with the rough draft, though in a more retro 70’s style like this picture.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

SilverWook said:

BedeHistory731 said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Jabba was well developed for a slimy piece of worm ridden filth. 😉

If it had been Gene Roddenberry directing, he’d have gone on a tangent about how the Hutts reproduce.

Well, Gene did give us a race of bald humanoids who have to take an oath of celibacy to serve in Starfleet. 😉

Really? I don’t remember that episode of Star Trek.

That’s 'cause it’s a movie. 😛

Well, in that case; I don’t remember that scene from any of the movies.

I was hoping someone would tell me the who and where?

EDIT: Never mind. Just looked up Ilia at the ST wiki and I had completely forgotten that that was a thing.

SilverWook said:

BedeHistory731 said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Jabba was well developed for a slimy piece of worm ridden filth. 😉

If it had been Gene Roddenberry directing, he’d have gone on a tangent about how the Hutts reproduce.

Well, Gene did give us a race of bald humanoids who have to take an oath of celibacy to serve in Starfleet. 😉

Really? I don’t remember that episode of Star Trek.

mykyta-R4 said:

I am sorry. I thought it better posted here as it not about The Mandalorian - more about Jon Favreau wanting to do more and different Star Wars.

Ah, I see. For some reason I thought it was a Mandalorian holiday special, or something to that effect.

mykyta-R4 said:

https://twitter.com/AshCrossan/status/1173746284873711616 (video included)

'Jon Favreau told me he wants to do a Star Wars Holiday Special on Disney+

Please let this happen 🙏🏻 Full chat here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmd7KELQ3KU&’
 

I think he is half-serious? I would watch it! A good opportunity for Star Wars to poke fun at itself, and to have fun too 😃

Now that would be something. Though I’m wondering how many “casual” fans of SW would understand or appreciate the joke?

PS, wouldn’t it have made more sense to post this here?; https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Mandalorian-Star-Wars-Live-action-TV-series/id/63215

I can see Hondo making an appearance, but Ashoka seems a bit much. I think with a live action SW series they’ll probably try to make it more accessible to a broader audience, and suddenly having Ashoka appear would confuse most viewers I think. I think they’ve learned their lesson that EU characters like Saw Garrera is neutral enough to work for both casual viewers and fans, while something like bringing Darth Maul back will basically just confuse 90% of your audience. I’d also be surprised if there was any kind of Jedi, Sith, etc. at all in this series. Hondo, Hera and Sabine could work though.

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/09/new-set-photo-from-the-mandalorian-plus-favreau-and-filoni-promise-fans-something-weve-never-seen-before.html

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/09/new-photo-suggests-the-mandalorian-might-have-an-ally-in-cara-dune.html

Shopping Maul said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Only a few years ago did I notice that Darth Vader’s helmet wobbles in the wind while he delivers the “search your feelings” line (and the rest of the scene until Luke falls) in ESB.

It’s become for me one of those; once you’ve seen it you can’t unsee it moments.

Or the bit where Luke leaps down from the Carbon Freezing platform and bounces off a little trampoline…(I didn’t spot that one, I read it somewhere)!

Oh, yeah, I’d forgotten about that. Thought he wasn’t on a trampoline. Hamill simply lands on the ground after a very short jump and his head briefly pops up into the lower frame as he stands up again, and then we hear the landing sound effect afterwards.

I actually did notice that one on my own a long time ago. I don’t remember exactly which version it was I noticed it on, though it was definitely the original version (either VHS or GOUT DVD) and I remember the image was bright enough to make Luke’s head popping up before the landing sound effect was fairly obvious. As someone who’s always been very interested in the craft of film-making, it was always fun to notice small errors/quirks like that.

Only a few years ago did I notice that Darth Vader’s helmet wobbles in the wind while he delivers the “search your feelings” line (and the rest of the scene until Luke falls) in ESB.

It’s become for me one of those; once you’ve seen it you can’t unsee it moments.

Mocata said:

https://i.imgur.com/qUGKkMu.mp4

I’m always impressed by just how fast fans manages to make these things.

nl0428 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

nl0428 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

nl0428 said:

I just don’t understand why fans really want cloning to be brought back into the franchise. The cloning stories that the old expanded universe told involving Palpatine, Luke and Starkiller were just so ridiculous and I would go as far to say they were awful. It just felt like fan service at a ridiculous new height and power. I do believe that J.J. Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy and everyone else at Lucasfilm are way too smart to think of and include an idea of Rey fighting a Dark Side clone of herself. I honestly don’t know why fans would want to see something as bonkers and nonsensical as this idea sounds to me.

Why would cloning be so weird? There was a galaxy-spanning clone war, so why is it so silly that a Sith obsessed with eternal life would dabble in cloning. That’s not to say I think Rey should be a clone (I think that would be unnecessary), but I don’t get why its inclusion in the EU is often perceived so negatively.

It’s because the ideas and usages of cloning became so far fetched and crazy to the point where writers were using it because they may have thought it would’ve been cool. Almost like something a kid would do when playing with their toys. To me, the usages of cloning that was done in the old expanded universe was really silly and didn’t feel like Star Wars.

As for the Clone Wars, it made sense for that considering how Palpatine was in control of the facility and the war. Plus, there’s a reason why it was called the Clone Wars. But I do think that involving Jango and Boba Fett within the cloning in the Prequels was quite unnecessary, but that’s a whole other discussion.

TBH I don’t really care if people like the old cloning stories or not, it’s just that I never get a clear reason as to why exactly it “didn’t feel like Star Wars”. Overused, cliched, gimmicky, fine, I don’t see it that way, but I understand those arguments. But how it’s not Star Wars-y is just weird to me especially when an entire era in SW is based on cloning. And how is cloning a whole army OK, but Palpatine having a few backups is suddenly “far fetched”. A cop-out, maybe, a convenient excuse to bring him back, sure, but why is this so crazy compared to the other things we’ve seen/read in SW? If anything its a rather mundane Sci-Fi trope compared to the magic and mysticism that we’ve grown accustomed to in the franchise.

The reason why it began not feeling like Star Wars was because the story was going into outrageous directions that felt like the writers of the stories were not understanding what made Star Wars the special franchise it is. It’s simular as to what happened with Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. Jack Thorne, the playwright of the Cursed Child, was going into far fetched directions that made people feel like he didn’t have a good grip, understanding, and knowledge of what made the series so great and how J.K. Rowling made it worked. The same goes here. I’m not saying that George Lucas is the only person who understands the franchise and everyone else doesn’t, (even though I sometimes get the feeling George doesn’t understand his series based on some of the questionable decisions he made with the Special Editions and the Prequels) but the writers of those mentioned Legends stories were going into paths that you could see a kid playing with toys or Star Wars games would’ve made the choice to do because they thought it would be “cool.”

I know absolutely nothing about Harry Potter, so I can’t really say I either agree or disagree here.

Though I do feel that the whole 'child with his toys" argument could be used for pretty much any SW films, especially ANH. I mean, the DS when described to someone who isn’t a SW fan does sound like something a seven year old would come up with. Same goes for a lot of the twists, coincidences, etc. of SW. I mean, isn’t this craziness kinda why we love these films? And its not like this craziness isn’t accompanied by good storytelling, character development, etc.

nl0428 said:

Let’s not forget that there was a comic series about zombie Gungans and that the droid who’s motivator blew up in A New Hope had the Force in old Legends comics.

Skippy the Jedi Droid was a joke-comic that was never canon in the first place. It’s more in the line with official parody series like Tag and Bink. Actually, most of the Star Wars Tales comic series was non-canon.

The zombie thing however is an entirely different discussion. However, I’m not saying that there aren’t ideas that don’t seem to fit the franchise, I just don’t see clones as ever being part of that.

nl0428 said:

Also, on a side note, while Star Wars has many Sci-Fi elements found within the Galaxy, I would classify the franchise as being more along the lines of fantasy due to its storytelling, characters and mythology.

I completely agree with that viewpoint. It was in no way my intention to imply that I disapproved the fantasy elements of SW, quite the contrary in fact. What I did mean however, was that as a fantasy series it has both in- and out-side of the movies done some pretty crazy/weird stuff, so my suspension of disbelief isn’t exactly limited when it comes to SW content. Hence, as I said, cloning is rather mundane in comparison, and SW is also Sci-Fi, so I don’t get how cloning can “go too far”, especially after they’ve already grown an entire army (in the movies no less). Palpatine transferring his soul/spirit/ghost (whatever you want to call it) into a clone is pretty much the most Star Wars-y thing I can imagine as it blends both fantasy and Sci-Fi in a very pulpy manner. Admittedly though, I’m not too sure how I’d think of it in a movie, but for a comic series I think it works just fine. So it’ll be quite interesting to see what actually transpires in TROS later this year, though post Endgame, I can’t say I’ll be too surprised if they end up doing something similar to Dark Empire.

nl0428 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

nl0428 said:

I just don’t understand why fans really want cloning to be brought back into the franchise. The cloning stories that the old expanded universe told involving Palpatine, Luke and Starkiller were just so ridiculous and I would go as far to say they were awful. It just felt like fan service at a ridiculous new height and power. I do believe that J.J. Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy and everyone else at Lucasfilm are way too smart to think of and include an idea of Rey fighting a Dark Side clone of herself. I honestly don’t know why fans would want to see something as bonkers and nonsensical as this idea sounds to me.

Why would cloning be so weird? There was a galaxy-spanning clone war, so why is it so silly that a Sith obsessed with eternal life would dabble in cloning. That’s not to say I think Rey should be a clone (I think that would be unnecessary), but I don’t get why its inclusion in the EU is often perceived so negatively.

It’s because the ideas and usages of cloning became so far fetched and crazy to the point where writers were using it because they may have thought it would’ve been cool. Almost like something a kid would do when playing with their toys. To me, the usages of cloning that was done in the old expanded universe was really silly and didn’t feel like Star Wars.

As for the Clone Wars, it made sense for that considering how Palpatine was in control of the facility and the war. Plus, there’s a reason why it was called the Clone Wars. But I do think that involving Jango and Boba Fett within the cloning in the Prequels was quite unnecessary, but that’s a whole other discussion.

TBH I don’t really care if people like the old cloning stories or not, it’s just that I never get a clear reason as to why exactly it “didn’t feel like Star Wars”. Overused, cliched, gimmicky, fine, I don’t see it that way, but I understand those arguments. But how it’s not Star Wars-y is just weird to me especially when an entire era in SW is based on cloning. And how is cloning a whole army OK, but Palpatine having a few backups is suddenly “far fetched”. A cop-out, maybe, a convenient excuse to bring him back, sure, but why is this so crazy compared to the other things we’ve seen/read in SW? If anything its a rather mundane Sci-Fi trope compared to the magic and mysticism that we’ve grown accustomed to in the franchise.

nl0428 said:

I just don’t understand why fans really want cloning to be brought back into the franchise. The cloning stories that the old expanded universe told involving Palpatine, Luke and Starkiller were just so ridiculous and I would go as far to say they were awful. It just felt like fan service at a ridiculous new height and power. I do believe that J.J. Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy and everyone else at Lucasfilm are way too smart to think of and include an idea of Rey fighting a Dark Side clone of herself. I honestly don’t know why fans would want to see something as bonkers and nonsensical as this idea sounds to me.

Why would cloning be so weird? There was a galaxy-spanning clone war, so why is it so silly that a Sith obsessed with eternal life would dabble in cloning. That’s not to say I think Rey should be a clone (I think that would be unnecessary), but I don’t get why its inclusion in the EU is often perceived so negatively.

A FEW MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE CHARACTERS IN THE MANDALORIAN

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/08/a-few-more-hints-about-the-new-players-in-the-mandalorian.html

oojason said:

‘Disney Unveils International Roll-Out Of Disney+ Streaming Service; Reveals Details In Canada, Holland, Australia & New Zealand’:-

https://deadline.com/2019/08/disney-international-launches-1202671080

'Disney is to begin rolling out its streaming service Disney+ internationally in November – with a number of territories going day-and-date with the U.S.

The Hollywood studio has revealed plans to launch the service in Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, and New Zealand – the first global details for the forthcoming SVOD platform.

Disney+ will launch in Canada and the Netherlands on November 12, in tandem with the U.S. launch, while the following week the service will launch in Australia and New Zealand on November 19.

In Canada, it will be priced C$8.99 per month, or $89.99 per year, and in Holland, it will cost €6.99 per month of €69.99 per year, In Australia, it will cost A$8.99 per month or $89.99 per year, and NZ$9.99 per month or $99.99 in New Zealand’.
 

More info in the above link.

 

Edit: Disney+ now has their own official twitter account too - https://twitter.com/disneyplus
 

So, no info about when it’ll be available in Scandinavia?

Since HBO Nordic has (from what I’ve gathered) been quite good at releasing things more-or-less at the same time as the US it’d be kind of weird if Disney+ was as delayed here as it will be in the UK.

BTW; Is there any specific reason why the UK won’t get Disney+ until next year? That seems really weird to me.

SilverWook said:

Haarspalter said:

Oh, carbonite freezing isn’t unique anymore. Looks like it is usual business now.

Was it ever implied that it wasn’t unique? All Vader said in ESB was that Cloud City’s facilities were crude, not that anyone had never been frozen that way before. I still don’t know what they usually froze there when Vader wasn’t luring Luke into a trap. 😉

In a galaxy where this technology exists, it’d be weird if smugglers or bounty hunters never realized it could be used to transport prisoners/bounties.

Plus, this show is set roughly 5-6 years after Han was frozen ESB.

It’s kinda funny, the show hasn’t even aired yet and we can already see how they’ve shuffled dialogue around for the trailer. The “don’t you agree” at the end is from a different conversation and they even used a different take than the one shown in the clip shown at Star Wars Celebration.

Either way, I love the vibe of it all, it’s very Rogue One-esque, which is exactly what I personally want more of. I think Dinsey realized that many fans are sort of split between preferring either the TFA-style or the RO approach, so they’ve basically split it all into those two categories.

I am however a bit surprised that the trailer didn’t use the music cue from the end of the SWC trailer. I got the impression that it was actually the Mandalorian’s theme. It had a really eerie, vaguely spaghetti-western, feel to it.

It’s pretty neat that they included vehicles from both Legends and Canon. Especially nice to see The Wheel included as the original Marvel comics are far too often ignored on lieu of stuff from Dark Horse, Lucasart and the later novels.

I also had no idea that there was an underwater version of the AT-AT.

The recently released Marvel comics Star Wars #108 was a continuation of Legends material, so its not impossible. But since they’re making new movies that can’t connect to Legends they’re focusing on new tie-in stories in stead. They most likely know that they could make money by continuing Legends, but focusing on a new audience rater than catering to the old and making stories that connects with the new movies is probably (I would assume) the most profitable thing to do at the moment.

I personally have no issue with them rebooting the EU, despite being a huge fan of Legends canon. The only minor gripe I have with it is the whole “there are some truths to Legends” slogan they’ve been using as it kinda implies that the new stories are the correct or "true" SW stories, while the old ones are false ones. As far as I’m concerned they should just treat it the same way DC comics does with their multiple continuities and just be blunt about the fact that some times you need to clear up the clutter and start over. If superhero comics can have multiple timelines why can’t SW? I mean it technically does, but they don’t treat it the same way. A lot of fans simply overreacted to the EU being rebooted for the sake of the new movies, but many other fans mostly just seem annoyed by the somewhat negative and dismissive attitude that a lot of people have towards the old stories.

darklordoftech said:

The idea that Palpatine’s goal was to prepare for the Vong. If that was the case, what was the goal of the Sith Lords before him, and why didn’t he warn anybody?

Well, that’s debatable. From what I’ve gathered it’s more of an in-universe justification of Palpatne’s actions post Yuuzhan Vong invasion by members of the Imperial remnant. Conquering the galaxy in order to protect it, and not warning anyone, is a pretty weird plan. I’d say his motivations was still as a Sith, but since Legends is a pretty extensive expanded universe, it makes sense that he was at least somewhat aware of the Vong, as well as preparing for it in some way.

Eckhartsladder made a video about it, arguing that Palpatine’s motivations were primarily based on the Sith doctrine and his own desire for power; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGwVVa4B2U