ZkinandBonez

Those are awesome. I especially like the CW and Rebels ones, this style works really well for the animated series. I also appreciate the detail that you’ve managed to avoid “spoiling” Maul’s two returns and only put him on the cover of the season after he’s already re-appeared or been revealed as still being alive. My only nitpick would be that the backgrounds aren’t neutral on TFA & TLJ like they are on all the other ones. Still look good though.

ATMachine said:

They’re using the 1975 third draft in the auditions, but Luke’s lines were actually written for Ben Kenobi.

In the 1974 rough draft Princess Leia Aquilae’s home planet was also named Aquilae, but in the 1975 third draft she’s Leia Organa from Organa Major. (In the second draft Leia mostly drops out except as a bit character.) Alderaan was the name of an Imperial planet with a floating cloud city until the 1976 fourth draft, when the cloud city dropped out of the script, and the name was recycled for Leia’s homeworld.

Luke’s homeworld is Utapau in the 1975 second and third drafts – or rather, its colloquial name is Utapau, but it’s officially known as Sullust, like Arrakis/Dune in Frank Herbert’s novels. The 1976 fourth draft changed the name to Tatooine, based on the actual location of Tataouine in Tunisia. (The hero in the 1974 rough draft is Annikin Starkiller, who is also from Aquilae.)

The mention of Aquilae in the clip above is mostly an offhand reuse of an old name. Like Sullust/Utapau/Tatooine, Aquilae in the 1974 rough draft is a desert planet.

Ah, got it. Thanks.

I’ve only read the comic of the first draft, and most of the fourth, so Lucas repurposing names for new locations confused me.

ZkinandBonez said:

Mark Hamill Reacts to His Original Star Wars Audition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxIuDJyzvDY&t

BTW can someone who’s actually read the old drafts tell me which version they are reading from here? In the old clip Hamill mentions Aquilae, which I know from the comic of the first draft is the old name for Alderaan, but he also mentions Ogana Major, which from what I’ve gathered from Wookieepedia was the old name for Utapau, which then later became Tatooine, though in the context of the clip it sounds like its Alderaan. I also watched the full clip and they also mention the Alderaan system, so I’m very confused. Is this an actual draft, or did Lucas just slap together random bits from various drafts for the audition?

Mark Hamill Reacts to His Original Star Wars Audition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxIuDJyzvDY&t

Mocata said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Interesting little visual tribute to what I believe was one of the very first SW images shown to the public.

Or the Holiday Special

Well, the Mandalorian’s main weapon is taken directly from the Holiday Special cartoon.

Interesting little visual tribute to what I believe was one of the very first SW images shown to the public.

Also, a closer look at the Ugnaught character voiced by Nick Nolte’s; https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Mando_03.jpg

New teaser video by Vanity Fair, plus article about new character; https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/11/ming-na-wen-the-mandalorian-star-wars-fennec-shand#

PS. does stuff like this still go in this thread, or should these things go to the spoiler thread? There’s not much happening on that thread.

Swazzy said:

Prequels are substance without excitement. Sequels are excitement with (less) substance. OT is a balance of both.

This is honestly one of the best (and succinct) descriptions of the polarized critique and praise that the ST and PT has received that I’ve seen, and it also explains really well why both are liked by different types of SW fans. F.ex. it’s interesting how EU fans tend to gravitate towards the PT because despite the flaws in film-making, Lucas did make some pretty interesting lore. On the other hand, people who prefer just the movies don’t care much extended about lore and just want to be entertained. And the ST certainly entertains, and has a much higher quality of writing, acting, effects, etc. It’s also funny to see Hollywood simply reversing their tactic when one method didn’t work, instead of trying to analyse the pros and cons. ‘Just do the complete opposite and hope it works’ seems to be the mantra of modern franchise film-making.

ATMachine said:

The scene of Vader using the Force to fetch a drinking cup was in the third & fourth script drafts. In the third draft it’s during Vader’s first meeting with Leia aboard her ship, and Vader drinks from the cup (!). In the fourth draft it’s during the conference with the admirals on the Death Star, and he uses the Force to crush it instead.

As for how Vader could drink from the cup… well, in the third draft Ben Kenobi has a prosthetic right arm, so apparently the idea of including a cyborg character hadn’t fully merged with Darth Vader’s character yet.

Interesting, thanks for letting me know. I really have to get around to reading the old drafts one day.

Now I always figured Roy Thomas had the 4th draft script when writing the comic, but its interesting that they omitted Vader crushing it. Could that be due to the “Marvel Way” of writing/drawing that the crushing cup part got cut? I always forget exactly how the Marvel Way worked, but I know it often lead to inconsistencies and even contradictions between what was written and what was drawn.

Anyway, I like to imagine Vader with a built in cup-holder and straw for these occasions.

screams in the void said:

they also used concept art in several other issues of the series , off the top of my head , I remember in issue 25 they used some of Johnston’s Death Star trench sketches for the background of Jorman Thoad’s used Starship lot ,

Interesting, do you mean this one? It’s the only one I could find that resembled the original comic panel.

screams in the void said:

in issue 61 , the rebel tech who explains the T.I.E. fighter modifications to Luke and Shira is based off of Ralph Mcquarrie sketches in the art of Star Wars books , and in issue 59 , Lando’s outfit is based off of ROTJ concept sketches . I am sure there are more examples .

Now that you mention it that outfit on the cover does have a ROTJ feel to it. Though that must have meant that Marvel was seeing concept art for ‘Revenge of the Jedi’ as early as 1982. Or was there some kind of pre-release concept art book or something similar that I’m unaware of?

screams in the void said:

^ nice finds man ! always love seeing Simonson’s pure art . There was also a Joe Johnston concept of those troopers leaning against the legs of a walker and one was even enjoying a smoke !

Lol, yeah it does kind of look like he’s smoking. I’m guessing you meant this sketch?.

It kinda reminds me of the three panels in the ANH adaptation where Vader levitates a coffe cup (or some other hot drink) over to himself and holds it as if he was about to start drinking it. I remember seeing that as a kid and wondering how he was going to drink it with his helmet on.

screams in the void said:

Most likely inspired by Joe Johnston concept art …https://www.pinterest.com/pin/430023464400062317/

Thanks. I knew I had seen those helmets somewhere before.

I found this picture of just the orig. Snowtrooper;

Seems like Johnston gradually toned down the Samurai influence until he ended up with the more simple design from the movies.

It’s a pretty neat design overall so its a shame that it hasn’t been used more in other EU material. Although it didn’t make too much sense for a snowtrooper, the “hardhat” made more sense for the bombsquad. It almost has a firefighter look to it.

BTW: Walt Simonon did a sketch of the Bombtrooper again i 2011.
Someone even made a custom Kenner figure based on SW #56.

regularjoe said:

So has anyone speculated on who/what he has been hired to retrieve for a bounty?
My prediction is Luke Skywalker.

That would be interesting, but judging from the dialogue from the Herzog scene that was shown as SW Celebration (and that has circulated around YT since), Luke would be too young to qualify as his target. In the scene the Mandalorian is given a tracking forb, whatever that is, and fragments of a “chain code” that Herzog’s character points out is “over 50 years old.” Since this series takes place 5 years after ROTJ then fifty years prior would be pre-TPM. Since the trailer showed what’s most likely a Clone Wars flashback, and Mandalorian culture is implied to be a part of the overall story, I’d guess it might have something to do about Mandalore. At least Luke wouldn’t make much sense. Time-frame-wise I guess other Jedi like Anakin or Obi-Wan could be relevant, but since they’re all dead that would’t make much sense either. Though I suppose some other Jedi could be part of the plot. Side note (for the sake of speculation), Herzog says that he want’s the target alive, but that “proof of termination” is acceptable for a lower fee (which consist of Mandalorian iron btw).

I saw a little of it and will most likely watch the whole thing later. Similarly to the Heir to the Empire series being made I think its really cool that someone is making these fan films in the first place, but I have to agree with Duracell that the Nelvana-style animation seem like a really odd choice for Dark Empire. There is a really short anime-inspired animation based on Dark Empire which makes much more sense stylistically, though I’d prefer if someone just tried to imitate the Cam Kennedy art as best as possible. Overall though, I’m just glad to see that there’s people out there who’s paying tribute to the classic old EU stories.

Character posters; https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/10/the-mandalorian-first-episode-to-reportedly-contain-a-dramatic-spoiler-and-disney-plus-unveils-new-character-posters.html

An interesting details that was mentioned by Star Wars Explained was that the Mandalorian’s armor changes throughout the trailers, implying that he makes good use to the Beskar (“Mandalorian iron”) throughout the first season. The second trailer also emphasizes just how useful the beskar is against blasterfire.

The armor shown in the image below must be from late in the season as all of his reddish armor-plates has been entirely replaced with shiny beskar.

SilverWook said:

Didn’t they do things like the OT trooper voices by simply recording them over walkie-talkies? Even CB radios are still around in this crazy digital era we live in.

That makes sense, though I’ve never actually looked it up.

Though even if that’s how they did it for the PT and ST they’d still record it digitally and that might also make it sound different. Sound editing/effects is the part of filmmaking that I know the least about.

ray_afraid said:

Anyone else thing the Mandalorian guy sounds like a PT clone?
(I haven’t seen the PT since 2005ish, so I could be wrong, but it stood out to me)

Could just be that the voice modulation sound similar. They’ve probably just used the same effect that they’ve used for the last few films, which for all I know could be the exact same method used in the PT as well.

A lot of the voice altering sound effects in the new films has had a bit of a PT feel to it, which makes sense as the OT obviously didn’t do the effects digitally and I’d imagine recreating those old analog effects would be difficult.

Seems like we’ll be getting some Clone Wars flashbacks in the series. Could of course be that someone, e.g. the Imperial Remnant, has dug up some battle droids and droid gunships, but since the trailer narration seemed to focus on the Mandalorians as a people, and since this is partially a Dave Filoni show it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the show will focus on the fate of the Mandalorians after their uprising in Rebels. Retelling the story of the Mandalorians for those who haven’t seen Clone Wars and Rebels shouldn’t be too hard if they include some flashbacks every now and then. I am however curious about how they will address the fact that Maul ruled Mandalore briefly, though it wouldn’t surprise me if they just ignored that for now. I was thinking maybe this could tie in with the rumoured Solo series, but that seems like it would only complicate things, especially for their very first live action series. I definitely think we’ll at least have some of the Mandalorian characters from Rebels be directly mentioned at some point.

I was reading SW #56 for the first time and noticed that Simonson/Palmer had designed a new type of bomb squad stormtrooper (or “bombtrooper”), which according to Wookieepedia only appeared in this one issue (they didn’t do their job particularly well either I might add).

According to the article the design, especially the helmets, were based “unused concept sketches” for ESB. I googled it, but couldn’t find anything that resembled this design. Does anyone know which concept art these helmets are based on?

(The Wookieepedia picture didn’t show the whole design so I took a photo of my Norwegian edition of the issue.)

RogueLeader said:

Yeah, I think one of the most common hopes I see people have is that Anakin’s Force ghost will show up. I know some people wouldn’t want that, but I think if Anakin, as a Force ghost, somehow took part in purging the last remnants of Sidious from the galaxy, it would help keep that prophecy/story element from George in tact.

It would actually make a lot of sense. If Sidious was in a corporeal form, and can’t physically be destroyed, it would present a great challenge for Rey, whose physicality is one of her strengths. If she was shown to struggle to tap into her spiritual side throughout the whole movie, and then at the climax she completely let’s go of her own fears and puts all of her faith in the Force, maybe that would be the way she has to defeat Sidious.

I’m going to ramble on somewhat of a theory regarding Force ghosts. In ESB, Obi-Wan tells Luke that he can’t interfere in his confrontation with the Vader, but maybe that is because someone on the spiritual plane can’t physically harm with someone on the physical plane, and vice versa.

I also think it is possible that living Force users have to act as conduits for Force ghosts to manifest themselves, so Force ghosts can’t just appear on their own alone. So imagine Rey being unable destroy the spirit of Palpatine on her own, and in her most hopeless moment, she finally let’s the Force flow through her completely, and suddenly the Force ghosts of Luke, Leia, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon (and Ahsoka?) appear and join forces to try and purge Palpatine’s spirit. Then finally, Anakin appears and delivers the final blow, destroying the last remnants of the last Sith Lord from galaxy.

I know I’m just setting myself up for disappointment, but it could be a good way to tie into Rey’s characterization, make the Force ghost ability that Qui-Gon apparently discovered in Episode I suddenly very important to the overall narrative in Episode IX, and also maintain Anakin’s role as Chosen One.

I really like this idea. Not too sure about Ashoka showing up, I think that would most likely just confuse the mainstream audience even more than Maul appearing in Solo did, but the rest seems quite plausible, and it would be a really interesting way to tie all nine movies together.

Though I’m personally still fine with Palpatine showing up in the flesh, as long as he didn’t just simply survive the fall. The possession concept works really well, and could explain why we haven’t actually seen Palpatine despite Ian McDiarmid being confirmed as being in the film. He could still be the voice, and we could always see the originalPalpatine through a flashback or some kind of vision or force-projection. Or he could just be a clone. I seem to be one of the few people who actually really like Dark Empire so I personally would have no issues with them just going for that explanation. Though the ghost or possession angle is more interesting, and “Sith-y” (if that makes any sense?).

oojason said:

‘This is the cover to THE RISE OF KYLO REN #2, written by me with art from @WillSliney. Out in January.
And yes, that’s Luke Skywalker and Ben Solo fighting the Knights of Ren.’

^ from https://twitter.com/CharlesSoule/status/1187359415344795648

That’s a pretty interesting change from what I think most people so far has assumed about the Knights of Ren. A lot of people assumed they were also previous students of Luke’s Jedi academy, but it now seems like they might not even be force sensitive at all. At the very least they’ll be dark jedi, or whatver it is that the new canon decides to call non-Sith darksiders.

Biggs Audio Dynamite said:

ZkinandBonez - Will Sliney will be 😃
 

I’d hoped Giuseppe Camuncoli would return for this series, but I’m not complaining about Will Sliney. From what I’ve seen so far of Sliney’s art it can be a little bit bland and “safe” at times, though his Solo series had a nice dyamic feel to it, and I’ll take “safe” any day over some of the art that has plagued the new SW comics in the last few years. At least he draws unlike some current artists. It’ll be interesting to see some actual pages from the Kylo Ren comics.

oojason said:

From earlier in the month…
 

‘As announced at NYCC, in Jan 2020 Jesus Saiz and I relaunch Marvel’s STAR WARS comic with a new #1.
The story begins just after Empire Strikes Back - first 3 pages below. CHOP!
Taking Luke Skywalker from here to the confident warrior we see in Return of the Jedi? Yes, please.’

^ from https://twitter.com/CharlesSoule/status/1180226635460685825

I don’t really know anything about Jesus Saiz, but it’s good news that Soule is doing the new main series. I thought Jason Aaron did a pretty good job with the main series in 2015, but IMO the series went downhill after he left, plus the art hasn’t been particularly good either. I’m confident that Soule can do an equal, if no even better job at the new main series, especially if he’s going to focus primarily on Luke’s character growth between ESB and ROTJ.

I wonder if this will be brought up in the movie?

If definitely add a whole new layer to the Knights of Ren than what I think most people assumed about them.

SilverWook said:

But is it in the same system as Endor? How far could that wreckage travel in three decades?

It doesn’t say yet, though in the old canon Endor (the planet) had 9 moons (incl. Endor the moon) so it could be one of them. Or alternatively it could be a different planet in the same system. I’m not very knowledgeable in physics (and SW isn’t exactly known for being scientifically accurate) but I’d imagine something propelled by the force of the DS II explosion should be able to travel to another planet in the same solar system in 30 years?

So apparantly the DS II wreckage isn’t on Endor, but on a moon called Kef Bir; https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kef_Bir

RogueLeader said:

Hal 9000 said:

Imagine a film set in post-Nazi Germany that asks the question, “How do the people affected by Hitler heal and how can we reconcile with one another after having been so polarized?”

Now imagine a film in which a revived cyber-zombie Hitler threatens world domination.

I’m hoping this comparison doesn’t end up applying to IX, but that’s the sort of thing that concerns me.

It seems like Palpatine’s return is on your mind as much as it is on mine. This is also my concern.

I was hoping IX would focus completely on Kylo Ren, the Knights of Ren, and the First Order as the villains of the film, and it would focus on the idea of reunification, and if it is possible for two divided sides to come back together through peace rather the total destruction of the enemy. This would have set it apart from ROTJ by showing why the Sequel Trilogy was a necessary end to this saga about war.
Kylo Ren’s redemption, Stormtrooper liberation, there were a few plot threads that could’ve led down this path.

We might just have to look at Sidious as more as a symbol for evil, or the shadow-self, rather than a metaphor for specific evil people. Mecha-hitler will never be a thing, presumably, but there have been and will be people who will embody the evil that Hitler was. You could just see it as an extension of the idea of fascism returning to the world.

Comparing Palpatine to Hitler is a bit too on the nose for me. I always saw him as more of a Sauron-esque type of character, which I why I didn’t mind his return in Dark Empire and why I’m not against him returning in TROS. He’s supposed to be the embodiment of evil, so it makes sense to me that he would return in some way. They could still do a poor job of it of course, but the concept makes a lot of sense to me.

The general plot to Avengers: Endgame leaked before the movie was released and it was both dismissed as being too ridiculous to be true, while others felt that if the leaks were true it would be a terrible movie. The leaks did turn out to be pretty accurate overall. yet now Endgame is considered one of the best films in the MCU. I think most films would/could sound pretty boring and/or strange when all you have are simple scene summaries without any of the dialogue, performances, music, cinematography, etc. to make them engaging. Plus, the people who leaks movie plots don’t usually have the full scripts at hand, but have found ways to “peak” into the production, and that’s definitely bound to strip away a lot of nuances and important details.

Also, its completely possible that fake leaks can end up being accurate by accident. There’s only so many tings you can logically do with an established franchise, and I think people have guessed the plots of SW movies pretty well in the past.