Ziz

doubleofive said:

Ziz said:

doubleofive said:

2) After the generator on Hoth is blown up, is it possible to make the lights dim momentarily in the corridor that Han is rushing through, to show the instant before the emergency lights kick in? Or perhaps if possible add a reddish tint to the corridor scenes to indicate emergency power?

This would be awesome.  I thought it was strange that they lost their generator but they still seem to have full power...

Not necessarily.  The SHIELD generator got blown up.  POWER generators are something separate.  There's no reason to believe the two were physically connected.  Logically, they shouldn't be.

If the power generators failed and the shield generators were run by them, then the shield generators would turn off and the shield would be down.

Likewise the reverse - if the shield generators also provided power for everything else, then the whole base would go dark when the sheild generators were taken out.

By having the shield and power generators separate and independent, you're better off.  If the shield goes down, you've still got power to run your equipment.  And if power for the equipment goes down, then the shield is still protecting you while you work on restoring it.

That makes sense.  Maybe I was confused because Veers says "Prepare to target the main power generator"...

He says "main generator".

doubleofive said:

2) After the generator on Hoth is blown up, is it possible to make the lights dim momentarily in the corridor that Han is rushing through, to show the instant before the emergency lights kick in? Or perhaps if possible add a reddish tint to the corridor scenes to indicate emergency power?

This would be awesome.  I thought it was strange that they lost their generator but they still seem to have full power...

Not necessarily.  The SHIELD generator got blown up.  POWER generators are something separate.  There's no reason to believe the two were physically connected.  Logically, they shouldn't be.

If the power generators failed and the shield generators were run by them, then the shield generators would turn off and the shield would be down.

Likewise the reverse - if the shield generators also provided power for everything else, then the whole base would go dark when the sheild generators were taken out.

By having the shield and power generators separate and independent, you're better off.  If the shield goes down, you've still got power to run your equipment.  And if power for the equipment goes down, then the shield is still protecting you while you work on restoring it.

Ok,  I didn't realize it was just the one shot that had the red.

Idea for the Walker red eye/window issue - instead of erasing the red from the outside or tinting the whole cockpit red on the inside...meet it halfway.

Tint just the window red on the inside.  Put some numbers, meters, gauges and such around the edges so that it becomes a red navigation/targeting/HUD type of display.  It's still a window, just with this red image/data being projected onto it.  If you really want to get picky, make a hint of red light spill on the AT-AT drivers in the wider cockpit shots where you can see them from the front.

lordjedi said:

I liked Batman Forever because I like Jim Carey, even if I don't think he played the Riddler that well.

Carrey was trying to hard to be Frank Gorshin's Riddler instead of making the character his own.

Well, 70mm is only better if the film was shot on 70mm stock to begin with.  Most films are shot on 35 and then blown up to 70 for select theaters.

As far as all the digital cleanup/restoration stuff - it's not a matter of if it's done, it's a matter of to what extent it's done.  The '97 SE's started out as just a simple restoration and re-release, and look what happened there.  (For the record, I personally don't completely hate the SE's as a whole, just not thrilled with certain specific changes which have been discussed ad infinitum here and elsewhere.)

What we need is literally someone like Ady doing the transfer...someone who is doing it because they WANT to, not because it's just the next item on their workload checklist.

sketchrob said:

I already brought up the adding music stuff to ESB when this thread started, Ady clearly stated he only added the music to the Obi/Vader fight as a way of bridging the prequels and that he would not add any to Empire. Really,I do wish some people would read the thread a bit before tossing out ideas, especially the ones that lead to unnecessary arguments.

Oh cant wait for updates from Ady, please let them arrive soon... : )

Yeah, I'm starting to feel like this thread is filling up with suggestions just for the sake of saying something, not because it would be a real improvement.  Empire needs the least amount of cleanup, and what changes it does need are more technical than artistic.

skyjedi2005 said:

New petition.  Petition Steven Spielberg and George Lucas to retire and quit ruining star wars and Indiana Jones!

 

How much of Indy 4 was actually Spielberg's doing, though?  I remember a great quote from him back when TOD was out...

Well, the thing I like about working with George is that if the film fails then I can say he made me do it, and if it's a hit then I can say it was my idea.  :-)

Of course, I'm sure there was some sarcasm in there the way he said it, but sarcasm always has an element of truth to it.

skyjedi2005 said:

Also hilarious they had to call it the real ghostbusters because of that other ghostbusters cartoon with the gorillla and the theme song "lets go ghost busters, lets go lets go". LOL

That was a legal issue even during production of the original film.  The scene outside the firehouse where the workers are hanging the "Ghostbusters" sign (text sign - the No Ghosts logo was fine) was filmed three or four times with alternate signs because the legal issues still hadn't been ironed out by the time they got to filming that scene.

When the animated series was announced, Filmation pulled their old series out of storage as a blatant attempt to capitalize on the name, but Columbia found a simple way around them...hence, "The REAL Ghostbusters".

A little RG trivia for those that are into this set...

Who were the original Venkman and Winston voice actors?

Where are you , porkins?  If you're in the US, PM me and I'll send you a DVD-9.

Gaffer - it also says 10% off if you reserve by 9/1....get over there if you're serious.

www.timelife.com

bkev said:

Not a fan of that show to be honest, but it looks like they know how to make a release! *wonders if individual season will also be available*

That's coming out thru Time/Life, only thru their site.  They've had Get Smart available that way for years.  Earlier this month, they finally released it at retail but in a stripped down version.  The T/L version is 5 discs per season, with the 5th disc being all kinds of bonus materials, interviews, vintage stuff, etc., in addition to commentaries and such on the episodes.  The retail version is just the 4 episode discs with no extras and no commentaries.  Once they get their mileage out of RG, they'll probably do something similar, so it may be a few years before they release it at retail.

http://fanedit.org/297/

It's on Rapidshare.

No debate here. I consider myself "middle of the road" too, but apparently it's a very wide middle.

I majored in film production in college, and all through it I tried to focus on special effects photography because Star Wars and my own hobby of building models was what got me interested in film and FX in the first place.

I can appreciate the SE changes from a technical and somewhat creative standpoint - matte cleanup, a lot of the re-done shots in the DS battle, expanded Cloud City entrance, etc. - without blindly agreeing with the character and story oriented changes like Greedo shooting first or Boba's "Jango" voice. I don't care one way or the other that there was a floating droid added behind the sandtroopers in Mos Eisley or that the continuity of the added windows in Cloud City isn't flawless. I appreciate the desire and effort to make the changes even if the end result wasn't what it could have been. As I said, I build models and it's a given in that hobby that every build is a learning experience one way or another.  You learn from your mistakes.  The SE changes are in the same vein - the desire to improve the original is admirable, it's just the execution went a bit awry here and there.

At the same time though, I can fully appreciate the desire to have the original theatrical version - warts and all - presented in its best possible light for no other reason than historical preservation. ANH was one of the first 25 films inducted into the National Archives of Film History PRIOR to the '97 SE's. That in itself is enough reason it should be given a proper DVD release. ESB and ROTJ complete the set, so obviously those need proper preservation as well.

Until such time though, Adywan's ANH:R is the perfect compromise between a proper restoration/preservation of ANH and the technical repairs and improvements of the SE's. I'm sure his ESB:R and ROTJ:R will be equally as well done as ANH:R was.

The prequels were fun to watch, but I didn't grow up with them so I don't feel that "connection" with those films as I do with the OT. Sure they have their flaws, but the OT has its share of zits and scars when you look real close, too, and not just technical/production issues.

As for EU, I used to collect the comics but I gave up on that a long time ago, mostly because of space and finances - I found I was spending so much money and using so much space accumulating these things but didn't have the time to enjoy reading them. Since then, other real world issues have taken priority. I don't hate the EU, I just don't have the time to invest in it beyond glancing at it in the bookstore every now and then.

So put me in the "middle of the road", but drifting from lane to lane depending on the traffic flow.

That's the way computer hardware has always been...if you insist on waiting for the "next big thing" to do that upgrade then you'll be waiting for the rest of your life.  There's a point where you have to just bite the bullet and get on with it.  Where it gets expensive is if you try to upgrade every step of the way.  Learn to skip a generation or two and you'll be better off in the long run.

astromech said:

Steve Sansweet did make a comment at the Europe Celebration that Blu-Ray wasn't on the radar of Lucas yet and wouldn't be until it was firmly established as the media of choice. Until DVD dies, it won't happen anytime soon.

At which point some other "next generation" technology will be emerging to supplant Blu-Ray, and the whole waiting game starts all over again.

Actually, that was one of GL's TRUE original visions for SW.  Go read that "Secret History of Star Wars" online book.  Somewhere in there is an early quote from Lucas about each film being stand alone, possibly with characters from previous ones, but each would be from a new writer/director team, a la James Bond, with Lucas being the SW equivalent of Ian Flemming.

Which explains why ANH wasn't called "Episode IV: A New Hope" back on 5/25/77.

Jeyl said:

This is just a suggestion, could very well be the worst one here, but do you think Luke's rescue from Cloud City would have been better if he "didn't" call out to Leia for help? I can't help myself but think that without his dialogue it would have made her a more self-sufficient character rather than the girl who the guys always latch on to. Cause the way I see it, her character hardly does anything in the movie. I think that if the force is with her and that she shares a bond with Luke, than sensing his distress wouldn't be so much different from Luke sensing Han and Leia's distress on Cloud City from earlier. Now granted that was like days before, but Sidious sensed that Lord Vader was in danger in Episode III during his duel with Obi-Wan (I can't believe I referenced that).

Again, just my idea. If Luke didn't call out for help after getting nothing from Ben, it'd sort of show how hopeless the situation was for him. And for Leia to sense his danger would be like a foreshadowing moment of her ability to use the force rather than just having her be the receiving end of a one way cell phone call.

- Jeyl

But she doesn't use the Force anywhere in ROTJ, so what's the point of worrying about changing this? Changing it sounds like more "Lucasizing" of the OT - doing it because it CAN be done, not because it SHOULD be done - whereas Ady's intent has always been technical repairs and improvements first, narrative changes second (if at all).

Consumer:  "OK, what I should I get my kids........They said they like Episode IV, V, and VI.  Ok, I see there is a boxset from 2004 with Darth Vader on it.... no wait there is a boxset from 2005 with the Original Characters on it..... no wait they are sold individually from 2006..... no wait there is a boxset that came out this November.   Excuse me sir, what is the difference between all of these sets?

Best Buy Guy:  OK, you have the 2004 set, they are fully remastered, yet they couldn't get the lightsabers right, but they are the Special Editions, then you have the 2005 set, they are the same set without the bonus disk, then you have the 2006 set, which are the original versions along with the same set from 2004/2005, the problem is these original versions look like shit cause they are not remastered, then you have the 2008 set which are combo of the 2004/2005/2006 Special Editions which are fully remastered, but the lightsabers are wrong, and they are the special editions, along with the original versions that look like shit.  Got it?

Both:  "Third base!"

I don't remember any machines with two lasers but i'm not an expert.  My machine (Pioneer CLD-3070) does the flip, but no matter what you get, it's not seamless.  Aside from the mechanism having to physically move, the disc itself has to come to a complete stop and get up to speed spinning in the opposite direction, too.

sunday256 said:

I had some high hopes for this edit, but I was left with mixed opinions. I didn't think everything he took out was necessary. Some things he missed and a few edits just caused more problems with continuity.

This one got deleted after the first viewing.

I've never seen the The Phantom Edit. I suppose one of these days I'll have to check it out. I can't recall what the Ep3 edit was that I downloaded, but that was a keeper.

Well, both of these were done prior to the subsequent films coming out in the theaters - PE was done prior to 2002 and AOTP was done prior to 2005 - so he was trying to predict what was going to happen in the subsequent films.  He didn't have the benefit of hindsight with all 3 discs sitting on his table first.

I was going to throw that out there too.  This could just be a retail/distribution thing, not something from LFL itself.

digitalfreaknyc said:

That's what I don't understand.

I thought the Original Versions included in that 2 disc set was supposed to be limited edition??

Limited to as many as they can sell before they stop turning a profit on them.

Shots being the operative word.  Rarely is the trailer content extensive enough to restore whole scenes.  I'd imagine the best you could do would be alternate dialogue takes - all the Batman trailers come to mind...Burton, Schumacher and Nolan.