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#1300624
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Color matching and prediction: color correction tool v1.3 released!
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oojason said:

UncutIsSuperior said:

I’ve decided to wait for DrDre’s next tool, which, as ZigZig said, will automatically restore deleted scenes, integrate them into the movie, upscale them to 4k and recolorize them to HDR. According to ZigZig, this tool will be compatible with MacOS, so the next tool seems like my only option. Could you please tell me when it will be ready? Thank you.

I think ZigZig may have been pulling your leg mate.

I think he knows already that: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1299439/action/topic#1299439

But he is obviously trolling…

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#1299425
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Restoration Of The Star Wars Deleted Scenes
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UncutIsSuperior said:

Hello. Could you please let me know when the deleted scenes are finished? I have found a color correction tool by DrDre that can match colors. Thank you.

Please just wait for the next DrDre’s tool: it will automatically restore deleted scenes, integrate them into the movie, upscale them to 4k and recolorize them in HDR.
And besides, this tool will be compatible with Mac OSX.

PS: it even seems that it will be able to possibly fix The Last Jedi.

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#1297895
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K
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Dek Rollins said:

I don’t want to turn this thread into a debate-fest on whether or not people should be allowed to hate the PT, though maybe that’s already accomplished. 😛

MonkeyLizard10 said:

yeah, i won’t bother to respond (although there is tons to say about the incredible amounts of things RLM video misinterprets, gets logically wrong, gets wrong since he doesn’t now enough about American cinema history, etc.) since will just turn into another bash fest, something I try to avoid (mostly by to largely ignoring all SW forums for years) and don’t want send this nice restoration thread down that path, I was actually going to say we better quit this before you already said it just above

back to restoration talk!

Thanks to both of you (but this debate is very interesting, even if it is off-topic) 😃

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#1297711
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K
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MonkeyLizard10 seems to be right…

Evolution of Rotten Tomatoes reviews for The Phantom Menace, according to web.archive.org:

  • 2004: Tomatometer: 62%
  • 2005: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2006: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2007: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2008: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2009: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2010: Tomatometer: 62%
  • 2011: Tomatometer: 62% - Audience: 65%
  • 2012: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 62%
  • 2013: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 62%
  • 2014: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 60%
  • 2015: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 60%
  • 2016: Tomatometer: 56% - Audience: 60%
  • 2017: Tomatometer: 55% - Audience: 59%
  • 2018: Tomatometer: 55% - Audience: 59%
  • 2019: Tomatometer: 53% - Audience: 59%

So it seems that it was not so hated until 2012, then it suddenly dropped 10% within the last 7 years
(but it remains widely above The Last Jedi which gets an awful audience score of 44%).

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#1297565
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K
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Slavicuss said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

cool project

I saw this in 35mm as well as on two different digital projectors back in '99, including what might have been the first commercial digital projection of any film in the world.

Contrary to all the net rage, theaters were packed and people generally seemed pretty happy and were NOT all laughing, raging, etc. decent bit of clapping at the end at many showings.

And for AOTC, people were racing out of the earlier showings, smiling, giving thumbs up to people still on line, saying it was awesome, audiences erupted into cheers at the end. Again, contrary to all the hate you hear coming form the net crowd.

Probably still high from the movie they just saw. After a few days of reflection (and repeat viewings) the cracks start to appear, not long after, they’re ripping the film’s a new a-hole (deservedly so).

Actually, it is quite the opposite for me. I didn’t like the movie after the first viewing, but I began to understand what GL tried (and I began to appreciate it) after repeat viewings and a few days of reflection.

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#1297564
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K
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MonkeyLizard10 said:

cool project

I saw this in 35mm as well as on two different digital projectors back in '99, including what might have been the first commercial digital projection of any film in the world.

Contrary to all the net rage, theaters were packed and people generally seemed pretty happy and were NOT all laughing, raging, etc. decent bit of clapping at the end at many showings.

And for AOTC, people were racing out of the earlier showings, smiling, giving thumbs up to people still on line, saying it was awesome, audiences erupted into cheers at the end. Again, contrary to all the hate you hear coming form the net crowd.

This!

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#1295312
Topic
Star Wars prequels on VHS: Original theatrical versions
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I did check the VHS but I didn’t find any difference between the WS VHS and the Laserdisc.
So if the VHS is altered, that means that the LD (and the VCD, the ORF1 broadcast, the Scandinavian C+ broadcast) are also altered. That would mean that there is no theatrical reference at all for TPM: that would be a brand new information with huge consequences on ongoing projects.
That is the reason why I’d like to get evidences, no offense to Jay.

JEDIT: I also captured and checked the VHS “For Your Consideration” (made in 2000 for the Academy Awards): it is exactly the same master as the public VHS and the Laserdisc.
So if the VHS was altered, it was already done in the first months of 2000, and the jury of the Academy Awards didn’t see the theatrical version.

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#1295236
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Star Wars prequels on VHS: Original theatrical versions
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JayArgonaut said:

In many years past, I remember seeing that listed within the IMDBs Alternate Versions section for TPM.

I’ve been searching on Internet Web Archive (web.archive.org), there are regular backups of the “alternate versions” page since 2003.
I found no mention of any differences on the VHS on any backup of that page. Actually, IMDB doesn’t talk about the VHS release at all.

Here is the most complete content of the “alternate versions” page as it remained until 2015 (this one is from 2009, previous versions shows less details but also nothing about VHS):

Wayback Machine said:

There are two versions of the climactic finale where Darth Maul is killed by Obi-Wan Kenobi. In the original, he is seen falling down the reactor shaft, dead but in one piece. In the updated version (in general release), he is seen falling down the shaft in two pieces, cut in half at the torso. Apparently, original press screenings presented the first version, but the second version is what most people will see to make it clear that Maul is dead.

At the very end of the final credits, after the closing music has faded out, the sound of Darth Vader breathing can be heard. Reportedly, this sound was not in the prints of the film shown during pre-release press screenings.

A few USC students took the Japanese Laserdisc & made their own edit of the movie, cutting out all scenes featuring Jar-Jar Binks and making many other minor tweaks. It became known as the “Phantom Edit”. George Lucas requested to see a copy & then Lucasfilm issued a press release reiterating that it is illegal to copy and/or edit a Lucasfilm property.

The 2001 Special Edition DVD of Episode I features seven deleted but fully remastered scenes and a special documentary featuring George Lucas discussing why they were omitted:
The Coruscant Air Taxi scene features Anakin Skywalker and Jar Jar Binks boarding a air taxi to Senator Palpatine’s quarters.
A scene of the morning of the podrace where Padme Naberrie awakens Anakin on a Tatooine sunrise.
The entire un-cut 22 minute Podrace which includes an introduction to all the drivers.
The Waterfall Sequence features Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi trying to save themselves, Jar-Jar Binks and their bongo sub from going over the Theed Waterfall.
More shots of the Pit droids.
Anakin Skywalker fighting with Greedo after the Pod Race victory which is broken up by Qui-Gon Jinn.

The DVD reinstates footage into the feature and increases its running time by 3 minutes. Restored footage includes the Coruscant air taxi sequence, extended starting grid sequence and extended lap two sequence.

There was a different ending to the brief lightsaber fight on Tatooine between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul. Qui Gon leaps onto the low-flying Queen ship’s ramp, and Darth Maul leaps after him. Qui-Gon swings and knocks the Sith to the desert floor (explaining why in the theatrical release, Maul appears to be getting back on his feet as the ship flies off). This scene appears in the comic book adaptation of the movie, the screenplay, and it seems to have been at least partially filmed since there is a still photo of actors Liam Neeson ( Qui-Gon) and Ray Park (Maul) battling on the ship’s ramp in the still photo section of the Episode 1 DVD. Originaly Qui Gon was to cut part of the ramp that Darth Maul was standing on off with his lightsaber.

UK DVD version is rated ‘PG’ instead of ‘U’ because of the deleted scenes on the supplemental disc. The making-of documentary was edited (ca. 13 sec.) to remove all sexual expletives (a ‘15’ rating was available).

In the theatrical version, right after Sebulba’s name is announced in the podrace opening, there is a shot of Watto, in his booth, cheering on Sebulba with joy. On the DVD, this scene has been omitted from the actual movie on disc 1, but is still present as part of the “extended podrace sequence” on disc 2.

As an “easter egg” (in the options menu on Deleted scenes, press right while selecting the two first scenes to highlight a little button and select it), there are two bits that were even deleted from the deleted scenes. One of them is a very brief shot of Jabba’s POV of the little “toad” he eats, before he bites his head off. The other one is during the podrace, which shows a bug splatting on one of the racers face (the one with a donut-like pod) while he pokes his head out to see, which makes him lose control for a second and nearly crash Anakin (this scene is present except for the bug thing).

(I don’t pretend that I’m 100% sure that the Widescreen VHS was not altered, I just don’t find any evidence…)

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#1294789
Topic
Star Wars prequels on VHS: Original theatrical versions
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Thank you for your answer.

Actually, the English subtitles were burned only on English theatrical versions. On international theatrical versions, there was no English subtitle. So the lack of burned subtitles on VHS/LD is not an alteration IMHO, it is conform to the international theatrical version.

The P&S version is obvisouly inaccurate, I won’t discuss about it. But I’m not aware of different audio cues on WS. AFAIK, both VCD and VHS present the theatrical stereo track (and, for LD, the original 6.1 track is also there).
Could you tell me more about those different audio cues?

Anyway, I’m not sure that the Z bootleg was ever used as an audio reference…

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#1294755
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Star Wars prequels on VHS: Original theatrical versions
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Ryan-SWI said:

As for that TPM VHS mentioned, that also isn’t the theatrical version. It’s close but it has a few minor alterations to it.

AFAIK, TPM VHS, VCD and Laserdisc contain the theatrical version, as well as early TV broadcasts (Scandinavian C+, Austrian ORF1…). What “few minor alterations” are you referring to?