Z6PO

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Post: #63010
Topic: Han vs Greedo
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/63010/action/topic#63010
Time: 8-Sep-2004 1:14 PM

Something I just noticed, studying the Han vs Greedo footage: when Han says the line "Even I get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice?" you don't actually see him talking, the camera is on greedo, and then on Han's blaster.

Now if you watch the "Han confronting Jabba" scene, Han says the exact same line! And I bet it's the same take that is used in the two scenes. Pretty lame, isn't it?

(and by the way, my sig is an extended dialogue from the Return of the Jedi radio drama. Lucas should have added that to the special editions

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Post: #62908
Topic: Han vs Greedo
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62908/action/topic#62908
Time: 8-Sep-2004 1:48 AM

I was thinking about the Han vs Greedo scene in the cantina, how it was changed for the 97 special editions (and further changed for the 2004 DVD), and about George Lucas saying that it has changed the scene to what was initially intended...

Maybe Lucas really wanted in 77 to have this scene like it is now in the altered version of Star Wars. I mean, the new angle shot, where we see Han and Greedo firing at each other, existed in the first place! It's an unused shot from 77, if it was filmed, it was to be used in the movie? Maybe back then they didn't find the time (or money) to finish the scene (it has to go to the special effects animation departement to add the laser bolts), so they left it out. Or maybe it was a wise decision of the film's editor, against Lucas will? Just trying to guess of course...

If you look at the scene in the original version of the movie, you don't actually see Han firing at Greedo. There is a close-up of Han saying "Yes, I bet you have", then cut to a close-up of poor Greedo exploding head! (if you go through the scene frame by frame, the last frame of the close-up on Han shows a huge sparks of white ligth surroundig Han's blaster. This one frame isn't in the special edition).

But, do we really need, in the SE, to see Han and Greedo firing at each other? Imagine, in the special edition, this new shot added to the scene, but with Han still shooting first (and Greedo not shooting back at all). Is this really needed? I think it's pretty bad in terms of editing: we go from a close-up of Han, to a wide angle shot of Han and Greedo in the booth, then again a close-up on Greedo. It ruins the pacing of the scene, the big surprise to the audience that is Han's shooting! In the original version we don't actually see Han firing, we only see the result, but our imagination fill in the blank. We have the tension build up, Han has a blaster pointed at him, he prepares his own blaster, but we don't know when he's gonna use it, and he use it when we don't expect it. We don't expect to see Greedo's head exploding, it's a big shocker to the audience! If we see Han's firing, like in the SE, Greedo's fate is expected and much less of a schocker...

So what we have now, in the special edition (and upcoming DVD), is a one second shot (yes, go check it out, it's not any longer) that totally ruins a scene (and what a scene!) and totally ruins a character (and what a character!)

And, sadly, that's not the only example of poor editing in the special editions...

Post: #62588
Topic: STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62588/action/topic#62588
Time: 5-Sep-2004 5:08 AM

Originally posted by: MoBiUs
can someone please seed the TR47 a new hope torrent ive done 1.4gb so far but only one seed left

I am currently seeding it, and I have 12 peers connected, so it shouldn't be a problem?

Post: #62415
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62415/action/topic#62415
Time: 3-Sep-2004 5:55 PM

Originally posted by: Hal 9000How long are the audio files in duration? Would it take less than fourty CDs to contain them?

ANH: 5 hours 56 minutes (13 parts)
TESB: 4 hours 22 minutes (10 parts)
ROTJ: 3 hours 12 minutes (6 parts)

You can put 2 parts on each CD (each part is roughly 30 minutes long), so fifteen CDs would be enough

Post: #62394
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62394/action/topic#62394
Time: 3-Sep-2004 12:46 PM

Originally posted by: Hal 9000
That reminds me, can anybody make a torrent out of the Star Wars Radio Drama?

There's a torrent of the 3 SW radio dramas at suprnova.org (save this direct link to your disk!)

I did get them from there. They are good quality and complete. Though, english is not my first language, and it's not always easy to follow what is being said... Is there a transcription available somewhere?

Post: #61631
Topic: High Resolution Art
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61631/action/topic#61631
Time: 27-Aug-2004 8:56 PM

I think I have it! And I'm pretty sure it's a textless one!!! I'll have to scan it one day...

Post: #60205
Topic: Wolfman Back In?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60205/action/topic#60205
Time: 18-Aug-2004 7:07 AM

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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
I'm pretty sure I read that most of the creatures in that scene were shot and added in post production to beef up the scene.

I'm pretty sure you're right! You can see the original version of the cantina scene on this page.

Post: #60169
Topic: Wolfman Back In?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60169/action/topic#60169
Time: 18-Aug-2004 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
WELCOME TO THE BOARDS Z6PO!
interesting first post...

although the Cantina was swarming with aliens and stuff i think we just notice those a lot more than we do humans because its something different...
i mean how many times do we see aliens in a bar??

after all Han was in there, the bartender, the pilot who was talking to chewie at the bar... im sure there were more but i've never looked hard enough...
but then again i could be wrong...
im sure theres more aliens than humans... but maybe not by much...

It's more the movie by itself that gives the impression that aliens are scum and villainy: before we enter the cantina, we have only seen robots (good and neutral characters), humans (good and bad characters), sand people (bad characters, maybe they are humans behind their mask, we don't know in the movie) and jawas (neutral or bad guys?). Jawas get their nasty remark too, by C3PO: "I can't abide those Jawas. Disgusting creatures"

(by the way, I'm some kind of integrist regarding Star Wars: fore me, only the OT movies (in their Thatrical Cut) exists, there are no PT and no EU. I leave all that is not shown in the OT movies for my imagination!)

Post: #60168
Topic: Another comparison website: Old vs. New
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60168/action/topic#60168
Time: 18-Aug-2004 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
funny that the first change in the ROTJ section says fixed hologram...
whereas its not really a hologram anymore... but a colour picture of Luke...
i thought the holograms always had a bluish tint to them???

Doesn't the Ghost Jedis have a bluish tint too? Maybe this change was made not to confuse the audience... I think it's the first time in the OT that we see a life size hologram. Maybe in the ROTJ time era, technology has improved and the holograms are better; we have already seen better technical displays: the Death Star II plans hologram.

Post: #60081
Topic: Wolfman Back In?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60081/action/topic#60081
Time: 17-Aug-2004 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by: Jedi Master DJR

This picture illustrates so well something that has bothered me for some time now... This quote "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy" is from Ben Kenobi (he say that to Luke when they look at Mos Eisley from the edge of a cliff) and when Ben and Luke finally enter the cantina, the "scum and villainy" are all aliens (and ugly ones!). Isn't this a little racist from our beloved Jedi Master?

(by the way, it's my first post here!)