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#1096702
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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BonOrbitz said:

I’m so incredibly excited for ESB:R and was wondering if I could get a myspleen invite. I promise to seed because I’m a huge fan of his ANH:R (my definitive edition of the film that I show to those who have never seen a Star Wars film) and would want to share his incredible work with those interested. Thank you.

There’s a specific thread for requesting invites to myspleen, check that out.

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#1096286
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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I was sick yesterday, (got my wisdom teeth out), so I watched The Phantom Menace, probably my favourtie of the prequels (not saying much). It was worse than I remember. The whole film lacks energy. It seems bored with itself. The force is bored, Obi-wan is bored, Qui-gon is in the midst of galactic turmoil but doesn’t care, Anakin’s whole life is getting turned around and all he does is shed a few alligator tears for his mom. The nemoidians don’t seem to care much either; I’m not even sure what’s at stake for them. The Jedis seem bored and uninterested as well. Anakin is “dangerous”, whatever that means, but Yoda says “eh, we’ll train him, whatever”.

Jabba the Hutt falling asleep at the podrace is basically an apt metaphor for the whole movie. It’s own characters don’t seem to care about the events taking place.

Anyway, rant over.

There was one thing that Phantom Menace had going for it–the special effects. The practical sets used in the movie look pretty good. Scenes like the podrace, Naboo, all look fantastic.

Too bad George decided to ditch it all and go full on videogame by the time Attack of the Clones rolled around.

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#1091879
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Star Wars Ring Theory
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Back when I had a Quora account (don’t ever go to that pretentious site!) I was one of the top rated answerers in the “Star Wars” category. Which was amusing, because I mostly just made up answers to EU-related questions despite never having read an EU book. My answers would get upvoted because they ended up making more sense than the crappy EU novels, haha.

Anyway, someone asked the question “Star Wars fans, what do you think of the ring theory?”

This was my answer:

"I read through the theory and it’s kind of cool. It definitely shows that Lucas is a fantastic artist.

However, it doesn’t really tell us anything new. Lucas has talked about his poetry. And the author’s intention seems to be ‘this proves that the prequels are good’.

Another user joked that Lucas was too busy with his poetry, he must have forgotten to make the movies good. That sounds about right to me!"

Here was another answer:
"Personally, I see it as a form of denial or even bargaining, to use the well-known “stages of grief.” The grief among Star Wars fans is that most would agree the prequels sucked. Many fans have attempted various versions of denial or bargaining to try to convince themselves otherwise. But it usually comes down to them trying not to accept what their hearts and souls told them: that the prequels are not good.

The biggest problem with the ring theory is that even if the theory is true, it really doesn’t matter – at all. Why? Because the prequels are still not good chapters, or stanzas, or verses, or whatever you want to call them. So when you have a bunch of bad stanzas mixed in with a bunch of good stanzas, is the poem as a whole good? In my opinion: No. In my opinion: That poem has good stanzas and maybe good lines, but does not work as a whole.

Just because something is complex doesn’t mean that it is good. Just because something is well thought-out doesn’t mean it’s good.

One last note: I also feel like the theory is trying to say that if you don’t like the prequels, then you just don’t get them because you’re not smart enough. And, frankly, that’s not a good statement to be making. Anyone with eyes and ears should be able to understand a movie. That’s the nature of filmmaking. If you fail to make a movie exciting, then the audience doesn’t care how “deep” it is. To quote Lucas in that article mentioned above, “the now has to be engaging.” Each chapter has to be engaging on its own, or it doesn’t matter how complex the overall structure is. And the problem is that several of the “now” chapters are simply not engaging."

Here is yet another:
"Consider the set of integers as a representation of the possible number of parsecs required to make the Kessel run . . . oh, wait. I have to admit, when I got this A2A I assumed I would be answering in terms of the mathematical construct.

From a storytelling perspective, this writer is simultaneously re-discovering the wheel and over-reaching. Great novels, great movies, great stories of any sort often use the technique of a repeated theme or motif that exists both in small scale and in grand scale in a self-reinforcing way. Similarly, much of film-writing analysis and theory in particular has been about constructing the multi-layered and thematically-related sets of conflict and resolution that make an instinctively-satisfying story.

It seems logical to assume that, in developing the prequel stories (that had to dovetail with the start of the original trilogy) Lucas would have considered how to get there in terms of reversing the original stories somewhat. Whether this is genius or not is debatable, but it is stretching the point to assume that there was any kind of master plan going in; recall that despite what Lucas may have said over the years, Star Wars was not “Episode IV” until the re-release and while there is plenty of documentary evidence that Lucas’ original treatment for that film was culled down from a more sprawling story, there is no indication that even the outline of the first trilogy was defined at the start. And, as usual, crediting Lucas with the “big picture” is to minimize the contributions of Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett to The Empire Strikes Back, which is so central to the overall mythos, the magic of which which was so systematically destroyed by the prequels (midichloridians, indeed).

Finally, as Sameer Ketkar so succinctly points out, it hardly matters whether some grand wheels-within-wheels approach was taken to the story, since the results were so ineffective in any case. Considering Episode 2 as a mirror to Empire is particularly egregious; that film created Darth Vader and the Empire as a villainous force for the ages, but ask any casual fan who the “bad guys” are in Attack of the Clones – the simplest possible question for an epic film – and watch the confusion on their face as they try to sort it out.

So, to directly answer the question, I would say “not much”."

The ring theory is garbage!

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#1091687
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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ben_danger said:

I had a dream last night that I was watching an editted ROTS where the editor had removed all hooks leading to the OT. So no Darth Vader transformation, no Luke birth, no Jedi Massacre etc.

The film opened with Obi-Wan hunting for grevious, the Utapau battle, then concluded with Palpatine’s resuce, and Anakin joining the Jedi Council.

I wonder if this could this ever work?

Essentially it might look like a PT that gives as much an ambiguous gap between the PT-OT as the new films do since the OT (ie no obvious set up or bridge).

Huh. I’d watch it, for sure.

I think one mistake that many prequels make is they just “show” backstory events that the original film talked about. For example, I’d bet money that the Han Solo movie has him winning the Falcon in Sabaac.

But that’s boring! If we didn’t need to see it in the original film (via flashback, or whatever), we don’t need to see it in another film!

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#1090569
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The problem of Owen Lars
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“Uncle Owen”, we learn in Star Wars, is Luke’s uncle. From all indications given in the movie, he was Anakin Skywalker’s brother, who disapproved of him joining the Jedi Order.

The PT clumsily explained his relationship to Anakin by giving them a weird half-brother relationship. His father was Cleigg Lars. I always thought his name was made to be “Owen Lars” in the prequels. However, if you read the original drafts of Star Wars ( http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/the-star-wars-from-the-adventures-of-luke-starkiller-third-draft/ ), his name is still “Owen Lars”.

So this is the question: From an OT-only perspective I always thought Owen was meant to be Anakin’s brother. But, based on his not-skywalker last name, was this not what George Lucas had in mind?

TL;DR: In the OT, why did George Lucas make Uncle Owen’s last name “lars”, and not Skywalker, when it seemed apparent that he and Anakin were brothers?

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#1086710
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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If I don’t see it it’ll be because it looks so bad it’s not worth my money. But I don’t think it could ruin the other movies for me. I don’t think a new movie with different actors, directors, and sets, could ruin something else for me. It’s easy enough to separate the two in my mind. But that’s just me.

If its really bad, maybe the movie will flop John Carter-style, and Disney will come out with an announcement that “not at all due to the success of the Han Solo spin-off, but due to internal decisions made before that movie came out, we have decided to halt production of all Lucasfilm Star Wars movies after Episode IX, and we are now focusing on Indiana Jones Sequels instead.”

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#1086564
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What Special Edition changes (if any) did people like?
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I am okay with any change my mom wouldn’t notice (in other words, any person who is not a star wars fan by any measure, but has seen all the films at some point)…
in other words, my mom would never notice that they showed more of cloud city or made the Rancor look better.
But I remember she did notice the news songs in ROTJ and Anakin’s ghost

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#1086561
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'97 vs. '04 (and '11) - Your preference?
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Ryan-SWI said:
I was mainly referring to Coruscant, which is debatable, and CGI Jabba, which I believe was a test for CG Jabba in TPM (I’m sure I remember seeing a quote from Lucas about it, I could be mistaken though). They’re not direct PT links but I suppose you could make a case for some of the changes only being there because of the PT. It doesn’t really matter though, PT or not most of the stand-out visual changes are garbage.

Unless I’m mistaken, the entire 1997 SE was a test for the prequel trilogy.
Ah, yes…here it is (via Rick McCallum’s page on Wikipedia, emphasis mine):

“When Young Indiana Jones ended, McCallum produced Radioland Murders (1994), for which Lucas served as executive producer. During its production, Lucas confided to McCallum the plans for three new Star Wars movies. To TEST the nascent digital technology just then becoming available, McCallum produced revised versions of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi – released in 1997 as the Special Editions.”

The SE looks like people messing around with CGI because it WAS people messing around with CGI. Once they saw it, they just probably said, “oh hey, we’ve put 1990s special effects in these 80s movies! Why not release it, and claim it’s some sort of ‘modernized’ version?”

The goal was never to ‘update’ the films. The goal was to have a sandbox for the Prequel Trilogy.

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#1086342
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Jeebus said:
The only thing I might want to clarify, or—if this isn’t what you meant originally—change slightly; is that Anakin doesn’t force-choke any Clones. He only force-chokes an incompetent Republic lieutenant (not a clone lieutenant), and partly because their poor tactics led to an overwhelming loss of Clones. I like the angle that Anakin, and by extension, Vader; is loyal to and respects his soldiers.

Certainly.
Vader is cold and imposing, but he has a certain dignity. Sort of like how the PT tried to portray Count Dooku.