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I believe you said you weren’t going to pay to watch Episode VII.
But then you paid to watch Episode VII.
And you’ll pay to watch VIII and IX too.
And probably all the ‘Star Wars Stories’ too.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true 😉
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
I’d call bullsh*t 😉
Yoda Is Your Father said:
honestly, I’ll drink anything 😃Even Natural Light? !?!?
Never heard of it.
This is brilliant. Good work!
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
Hello all. Since the trailers for Episode VII started coming out, my son who is 8 has recently been getting into Star Wars. We’ve watched all the movies and today went to see episode VII. He has been asking me a lot of how certain characters came about. Some of these questions I can answer, but some I have no idea. I grew up watching Star Wars but never really got into the books and the whole story line. Now that he is old enough, and asking questions, I’d like to try to answer them for him. Are there any books out there that I can read up on and try to answer his questions? Seems when I google stuff, there are lots of series that goes down different paths. I’d like to try to stay with what the movies are based off of or related to for now, then maybe go down those roads. Also, are there some age appropriate books for him? He is 8 (3rd Grade) but reads a bit higher in the 4th to 5th grade level.
Thanks all for the help!!
If he’s looking for a novel, I recommend ‘Lost Stars’. It’s a ‘Young Adult’ Star Wars novel set before, during and after the Original Trilogy which adds extra detail to some of the events and characters featured in the films.
If he’s looking for more of a ‘guide book’ to the characters and universe, this is a good fit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-David-West-Reynolds/dp/0751370819
Considering all TFA discussion is confined to a handful of threads (one of which you started), it seems to me that if you’re so bothered by people’s reactions to that film, you can easily avoid them. I’m not pretending to be an old timer here myself, but my impression has always been that this place is about preserving and campaigning for the OOT, not relentlessly dumping on everything else. Hating everything since 1983 is not and has never been a requirement for membership.
You sir are correct, I need to avoid anything pre/post. Is there such a forum?
But why mindlessly avoid anything post? If you don’t like TFA that’s totally cool (personally I hate the prequels and try my best to avoid any mention of them in an attempt to purge them from memory) but what if Episode VIII turns out to be fantastic? Will you avoid it purely because it’s not part of the OT?
There’s an exchange in the actual film after they escape that’s something like:
Finn: “How did you do that?!”
Rey: “I don’t know! I’ve flown a few ships in atmosphere before, but I’ve never left the planet!”I’m sure that’s not close to verbatim but it’s definitely the gist. It’s a line I couldn’t make out until my second or third viewing because Rey and Finn are talking at the same time very fast. I took the “few ships” she refers to to mean other junkers Unkar Plutt owns, doing odd jobs for extra rations. She says the Falcon hasn’t flown in years, but I’m sure Plutt had other freighters of similar classes. I’m seeing it again on Saturday with my family, I’ll try to remember it word for word.
Considering this forum is called original trilogy, I think a rebrand is needed as most folk in here consistently defend non-original trilogy films Tfa is just another bad spin off…my second viewing really brought this home… #originaltrilogyand anyoldshitewithstarwarsinthetitle.com
You’re assuming an awful lot of authority about the state of the forum for someone who registered less than a month ago.
I joined thinking this forum was dedicated to fans of ‘just’ the original trilogy? It seems that I was very, very wrong. Loads of TFA blinkers on in here, must have seen a different film to me as it’s just as bad as the prequels if not worse as it’s not even had the involvement of the ORIGINAL creator. On reflection TPM is a better film as it had a better score and was paced better and that says a lot.
Nope. The forum was founded by fans petitioning for Lucasfilm to release the original, unaltered, theatrical versions of the original trilogy at a time when only the Special Editions were available. Lucasfilm eventually conceded, but only by including low quality, non-anamorphic laserdisc rips as DVD extras.
Fan projects like Harmy’s Despecialized Editions have rendered the petition unnecessary these days, but the community lives on.
And even if the forum HAD been created by people who ONLY like the original trilogy, it was created before TFA was even written, so deciding not to like it before we’d even seen it would be kinda dumb 😃
Even though it’s total sh*t, I have a soft spot for Coors Light.
Yeah, I said it.
Right now my favourite is probably Camden Pills (local North London brewery), but honestly, I’ll drink anything 😃
When using CGI it’s best practise not to zoom it to fill the frame, but with Snoke JJ just puts it right in the frame to pull us out of the suspension of disbelief.
Unless I missed something, we never see Snoke. We just see a holographic projection Kylo is speaking with.
And he could look completely different in real life. He could be Mace Windu or Leia or anyone.
I swear to God if they even mention Mace Windu in any of the new trilogy I’m disowning them.
Maybe some of these things have an in universe explanation which we haven’t seen yet. Rey could just be absorbing skills from the minds of people around her. She knows the Falcon because Han and Chewie do, She knows how to fight with a lightsaber because Ren has been trained to do so. She understands Chewie and BB8 too so she can draw skills from non-humans and robots. It could be a new Force skill where connective nature of the Force is being used as a tool.
That’s actually a really interesting theory.
Maybe your friend should direct Episode VIII. Or at least be on set to keep the director, special effects team and editor in line. He sounds like he really has a handle on this whole filmmaking thing. Disney are missing a trick.
I was just giving an example bro. I’m the one who said Robocop was done well, not him. What my friend said was “I still can’t believe that’s done with a man in a suit!!” Like I said that’s a credit to everyone involved in suspending disbelief. But I see no suspension of disbelief with Snoke - he looks like a rendered graphic.
But look at ESB- Yoda was a puppet! And the last thing that Lucas, or for that matter Kershner, wanted was to make it look like a muppets moive!
I agree that Snoke took me right out of the movie. And if you’re suggesting that they would have been better off going down the puppet route, I agree with that too. Yoda was so good they tried to get Frank Oz nominated for an Oscar but the academy wouldn’t have it.
Alderaan said:
The reason is probably because someone decided in a script meeting that it would be a novel idea to have one of the Han/Leia/Luke characters be a stormtrooper, and everyone else said “oh yeah that’s brilliant let’s do it”.
To be honest, that probably is exactly what happened.
Alderaan said:
It feels like the story was written and directed by ten different people, and all their different pet ideas got into the movie.
Considering all the various stakeholders at Disney, Bad Robot, toy manufacturers, marketeers, artist agents, etc etc involved, I’m sure this is a pretty accurate statement. I very much doubt JJ had free reign. I don’t think any director does these days unless they are low budget indie auteurs.
When using CGI it’s best practise not to zoom it to fill the frame, but with Snoke JJ just puts it right in the frame to pull us out of the suspension of disbelief.
Unless I missed something, we never see Snoke. We just see a holographic projection Kylo is speaking with.
Good point. He might look different in a photo-realistic environment.
Speaking of autographs, I have Alec Guiness’s but I never actually met him.
Updated list so far:
Chewbacca - TavorX & moviefreakedmind
C-3PO - LexX & Darth Lars
Max Rebo - LexX
Crix Madine - LexX
General Veers - LexX
Captain Needa - LexX
Grand Moff Tarkin - Bingowings
Darth Vader - YIYF, Darth Lars & Erikstormtrooper
Boba Fett - moveifreakedmind & Darth Lars
R2D2 - Moth3r & Darth Lars
Darth Maul - Darth Lars
Snoke - YIYF & Darth Lars
If Darth Lars doesn’t count Andy Serkis then I don’t count Ray Parks for the same reason 😃
Yoda Is Your Father said:
What about that idiot who decided not to fire on the escape pod because it didn’t contain life signs? Were they trying to save ammo or something? In a world where artificially intelligent droids are commonplace… fire on the damn escape pod!“There goes another one”.
The presumption was that they had fired on other escape pods and it wasn’t worth the hassle anymore. How many escape pods went off? Three? Fifty? We don’t know, but if there were a ton of them and none of them had lifeforms on board, it’s not a stretch to imagine the officers would tire of worrying about them.
Yeah I know, and you’re right. I don’t actually have a problem with the ‘no life signs’ escape pod bit in ANH.
But my point is Imperial stormtroopers, gunners, pilots and even officers have proven themselves to be a bit, shall we say ‘less than amazing at their jobs’ time and time again throughout the OT, so claiming that everybody in Ren’s unit would have been the ‘best of the best’ is a stretch.
Besides, when we see Finn in action later in the film he is kinda badass - he knows how to hit a target (which is more than most stormtroopers), has no problem killing enemies when they pose an actual threat (i.e. they’re not unarmed villagers) and he’s pretty brave going up against Kylo Ren (when he’s just seen Rey get force-thrown against a tree and knows he’ll probably be beaten). He has clearly been well-trained. His desertion is, in my opinion, a moral choice, and a believable one at that. The First Order’s brain-washing of children can’t overcome the natural good in them… and isn’t that in line with the whole ‘light vs dark’ theme of the whole saga?
mes1983 said:
Let’s put it this way: do you think Vader had “elite” troopers with him in ANH, when he is boarding the Tantive iv? They sure don’t look like it… And that could be considered as an equally important mission.They all did as they were told and they all did what was expected of them. There wasn’t a stormtrooper on board who suddenly thought “naaaaah…I didn’t sign up for this!” and then helped Leia and the Droids escape.
What about that idiot who decided not to fire on the escape pod because it didn’t contain life signs? Were they trying to save ammo or something? In a world where artificially intelligent droids are commonplace… fire on the damn escape pod!
Droids aren’t allowed in escape pods. Even Threepio says so. 😉
And yet him and R2 got in anyway… so maybe when you’re in charge of the guns, and you’ve just captured a rebel ship carrying the Death Star plans… it’s worth a squeeze of the trigger just in case 😃
mes1983 said:
Let’s put it this way: do you think Vader had “elite” troopers with him in ANH, when he is boarding the Tantive iv? They sure don’t look like it… And that could be considered as an equally important mission.They all did as they were told and they all did what was expected of them. There wasn’t a stormtrooper on board who suddenly thought “naaaaah…I didn’t sign up for this!” and then helped Leia and the Droids escape.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-Star-Wars-Force-Awakens/dp/1484724984
I know it’s EU and not a movie, but this book is all about a highly trained, top of his class Imperial pilot who deserts after the destruction of Alderaan by the Death Star. I’m halfway through and it’s very good.
mes1983 said:
Let’s put it this way: do you think Vader had “elite” troopers with him in ANH, when he is boarding the Tantive iv? They sure don’t look like it… And that could be considered as an equally important mission.They all did as they were told and they all did what was expected of them. There wasn’t a stormtrooper on board who suddenly thought “naaaaah…I didn’t sign up for this!” and then helped Leia and the Droids escape.
What about that idiot who decided not to fire on the escape pod because it didn’t contain life signs? Were they trying to save ammo or something? In a world where artificially intelligent droids are commonplace… fire on the damn escape pod!
When using CGI it’s best practise not to zoom it to fill the frame, but with Snoke JJ just puts it right in the frame to pull us out of the suspension of disbelief. Even movies that used practical effects used tactics to build the audience up for a reveal of an extreme special effect. For example, in Robocop Verhoven didn’t show the full suited Peter Weller at first - first they show his vision, then they show him from a distance but obscured. So that the audience would accept what they saw.
I love how you guys all think you know how to direct a movie.
Has anybody here ever actually directed a movie? Let’s see it.
I showed Robocop to a friend of mine a few years ago, and he kept remarking about how he couldn’t believe that it’s a man in a suit. To quote him it didn’t look like it was possible to fit a man inside the Robosuit. And that’s a credit not just to the special effects team, the director, and the editor - but also to the actor who was able to create believable mechanical movement in nothing more than a rubber and fibreglass suit.
Oh boy, they should have put that on the poster!
“it didn’t look like it was possible to fit a man inside the Robosuit.” - RU.08’s Friend
Maybe your friend should direct Episode VIII. Or at least be on set to keep the director, special effects team and editor in line. He sounds like he really has a handle on this whole filmmaking thing. Disney are missing a trick.
I don’t know how I can state it more clear. It was pretty evident to me that Kylo was breaking down and having an identity crisis, just about sobbing to his father. Unless you are arguing that he was faking in order to kill Han, I think it’s objective fact that Kylo was caught in a moment of emotional weakness.
No, not faking it. I think it was obvious that the audience was meant to initially think that he was close to abandoning the dark side, and going back home with his daddy, but afterwards it becomes evident that what he wanted was the strength to kill Han and therefore abandon the light entirely. He is conflicted, certainly. He confides this to Vader’s mask earlier in the film, saying he feels the pull to the light. He also tells Han he is being “torn apart”, and that he wants to “be free of this pain”. And “I know what I have to do, but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it”.
Well he does do it. He overcomes the light in him. His dark ambitions win over the love he has for his family. The guy is clearly in turmoil over what he feels he has to do, and even says “thank you”. Han’s offer of help is twisted into being his blessing to kill him. No doubt internally, his self-loathing for killing his father is going to fuel his anger from now on.
It’s been said before that Kylo is the anti-Luke. Luke rejected the dark by refusing to kill his father. Kylo rejected the light by killing Han. Just as we were seeing Luke’s journey to becoming a Jedi, we’re seeing Kylo as an only partially formed villain.
TFA has many issues, but a lot of your criticisms seem to be a bit of a reach.
Great summary, dude. I wanted to type something similar but… Couldn’t be bothered. You nailed it though 😉
In my world of Star Wars there is also no such person called Qui-Gon because he wasn’t in any of the original films nor ever mentioned, and so all this talk about force ghosts is a lost point. Every Jedi that ever died in the OT appeared as a force ghost.
+1
Cool, so far we’ve met:
R2D2 - Moth3r
Chewie - TavorX & moviefreakedmind
Boba Fett - moviefreakedmind
Vader - YIYF
Snoke - YIYF
I see all emoticons.
Or ‘emojis’ as I believe the kids call them these days.
In other similar videos from the past month it is clear that George is bitter about what’s happened with Star Wars, not just with Disney but with the backlash he got for the prequels and the Special Editions. I hope he does go and make those experimental films he wanted to make for so long! Maybe now he can move on and make the films he’s passionate about.
I have to admit I’ve been feeling bad for George Lucas ever since TFA came out. Every review I’ve read has pretty much said JJ has saved Star Wars from George’s mistakes.
I’m not personally a fan of the prequels, or the Special Editions, but for all their faults, the PT and the SE pioneered many advancements in filmmaking technology (just like the OT before them) and George does deserves recognition for that. He’s a brave filmmaker who tries what others aren’t yet ready to try.
Plus, without him we wouldn’t have Star Wars at all.
So I do hope he’s able to move on and make some new non-star wars films that he’s happy with, and that allow him to flex his considerable creative muscles once again. He shouldn’t feel bad about Star Wars - he should feel proud about creating it and happy to now watch it grow and develop in the hands of a new generation of filmmakers and fans (who themselves would not exist without him).