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#93801
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Sequels that should never be...
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They should wait 5 years then make a new bond movie, much darker, less gadgets (in Dr.No he had his watler PPK and that was it - I'm thinking we still have gadgets, but keep it to a minimum, and no invisible cars). Bond should be in his mid to late 30s. Something happens and MI5 gets fucked up, lots of people, including M, dead. Bond goes into hiding. He meets Q (a new Q, not R or any other shit and not John Cleese) secretly and Q kits him out with all that he could manage to get hold of - a few guns and gadgets. Bond then goes about getting the people who done this and saving the world. The Bond music can stay, but that's about it. We need to go back to a Dalton style Bond. The Dalton movies did have humour, despite what some people say (what about the bit where he parachutes onto the girl's boat, shouts 'nothing to declare' as he bobsleighs over the border on a double bass? - that was bond humour, not all this Brosnan era 'Cunning luinguist' crap). They should also cast an unknown. And Irvin Kershner should direct (Never say never again may be unofficial, but it's one of the 5 best in my opinion).
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#93708
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Sequels that should never be...
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Originally posted by: Warbler
License to Kill is (IMHO) the worst Bond movie of them all with Goldeneye coming in a close 2nd.


License to kill is the best Bond film and Goldeneye comes a close second. It's definitely the only good Brosnan one (not his fault though - he's a good Bond, just bad films).

I think that all you guys who don't like the Dalton Bonds and think that Die another day is a good movie are all smoking crack.

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#92851
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Ratings creep and the rhodian who flunked out of the stormtrooper academy.
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Here in England, the OT and all it's special edition incarnations, burning bodies and all, have always had a U rating, which means Universal, suitable for all. I remeber being pretty scared of the Rancor as a kid, especially when he eats the pig gaurd alive, but it got a U, so I was allowed to watch it. And in this country, the classification board is getting MORE lenient if anything - films that would be rated 18 10 years ago now get a 15. In fact, there are very very few films made today that get an 18 rating, and they're a lot gorrier than some older films that are 18. So either America is mega stict on rating their films, or this greedo/rating suggestion is bullshit. Or both.
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#89571
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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I've pieced together a treatment of How I think the prequels should have been, based on everything we've discussed over the past few pages. Enjoy:



Anakin Skywalker is a republic strafighter pilot in his late teens. He is an orphan with no knowledge of his parents/origin, which would have added to his character and help build him as a troubled youth.

When the clone wars erupted Jedi Knights, being the guardians of peace, helped defend the Republic. During one fateful mission Obi-Wan Kenobi (A Jedi Knight) meets Anakin Skywalker and is taken by his amazing piloting skills. Obi-Wan recognizes the force potential in Anakin and, seeing that he already was drawing on the force during battle (without realising it) he decided to train him. Traditionally Jedis start their training in their early teens, so the fact that Obi-Wan trained Anakin past his teens was one of his downfalls and is what leads Yoda in TESB to say that Luke is too old to begin the training. Anakin is among the few (or only) in the history of the Jedi that started their training older than most.

Despite the War that is in full swing around them, the Jedi allow Obi Wan to take Anakin as his apprentice, believing that he may be 'the one who will bring balance to the force'. Anakin becomes more and more powerful and more and more obsessed with the force. There were brief glimpses of Anakin using excessive violence and taking the force for granted during battle (after Obi-Wan had begun training him), and with the war over it simply got worse.

At this time Anakin also gets a girlfriend. She wouldn't be a senator or anything but she could be linked to politics and Bail Organa in some way which explains why Leia ended up with him on Alderaan. The story doesn't need a strong focus on the mother/Padme. Anakin could have just as easily been dating Padme during the clone wars before he met Obi-Wan and then he got married to her. Perhaps she too could show signs of being strong in the force, but she never develops her ability (like Leia).

Jedi were supposed to be peace keepers, not a militia, but that was what Anakin was becoming. Mentally scarred from war and drunk with his new power, he was not the same man he was. He is also aware that he is becoming even more powerful than his master, and this frustrates him.
Obi-Wan is concerned but is still doesn't realise how dangerously close Anakin is treading into areas he shouldn't be. Anakin begins to look for more sorces of information about the force.

He finds the answers he is looking for with Darth Sidious (who is also Senator Palpatine, but Anakin doesn't know that - Palpatine blocks anakin from sensing this until he wants him to know) and begins to receive dark side training. He is still a Jedi, but in the shadows and the dark places he is doing the bidding of the dark lord, working undercover essentially, and the Jedi don't know what is going on because as Yoda said "the dark side clouds everything."

After Sidious seduces Anakin with the allure of the dark side, he reveals his dual identity and his true plan for the republic. Anakin is addicted to the power Sidious has given him and cannot defy him. The idea of ruling the galaxy alongside Sidious/Palpatine is too tempting. Working basically as an assasin for Sidious/Palpatine he starts taking out Jedi and political figures.

Due to many of the Jedi being killed in battle, and due to his outstanding perforance in the Clone Wars, Anakin is made into a Jedi Knight and Obi-Wan reluctantly takes on a new student at the behest of the Jedi Council (as do most masters/knights) to help rebuild the Jedi. (this means that the surprise of Vader's identity is preserved until Episode 5 - it could be Obi Wan's 2nd apprentice that became Vader for all we know). Obi-Wan does not think that Anakin is 100% ready and continues to try to teach him, but he doesnt want to learn, he thinks he knows it all, the Jedi Council has made him a Jedi Knight after all.

Their friendship breaks down as Anakin becomes more and more bigheaded. His relationship with Padme (we'll keep the name just to make it simple) begins to deteriorate (although by this time she is already pregnant).

Obi Wan and Anakin are paired up on a joint mission to destroy one of the last remaining resistance cells. Obi Wan is leading it, but Anakin doesnt like that, he doesnt want to take orders from Obi-Wan anymore, he is after all a Jedi Knight, and a more powerful one than Obi-Wan at that (at least in his eyes). They end up fighting (they are evenlly matched) and during the fight anakin gets knocked into the pit, Obi-Wan tries to help him and while he is pulling him up Anakin pulls Obi-Wan down and he is now on the edge too. Anakin tries to pull Obi Wan into the lava, seemingly with no thought for his own life - he justs wants to take Obi Wan with him. Eventually, Obi Wan struggles free and anakin falls into the lava. Obi-Wan is mortified...he returns, his mission unfufilled, to give the bad news to Padme and the Jedi Council.

Obi Wan somehow gets word that Anakin survived the lava and is being held on a ship by separatists or the Sith or some other bad dudes and (possibly against the will of the council) goes to rescue Anakin. Meanwhile the clone army is preparing its final attack against this very same ship. Kenobi gets aboard this main ship and is searching for anakin. His force sense leads him to a Med centre and he finds Anakin's burnt cloths and lightsaber. He looks at it sadly, then hears a vader-like voice (but not quite - partially through the voice modulator but no helmet). The voice says 'Your friend is no more'. He turns and we see Vader, helmet off, either from behind or face obscured by Obi-Wan. He is in a similar device to the meditation chamber in TESB, just not as elaborate. The camera pans around as the helmet is lowered and when we finally see the face it is covered by the helmet. He stands up and BAM - we see vader. Vader ignites his new red lightsaber and they fight and Vader is beating Obi Wan. He knocks Obi Wan's lightsaber out of his hand and using the force sends it flying down a hole or something. Obi wan, weaponless, is in a tight spot. He sees Anakin's old lightsaber out of the corner of his eye and uses the force to bring it to his hand, blocking Vader's blow (Anakin's Blue Saber Vs Vader's Red one. It would basically be an outward representation of the struggle that Anakin/Vader has inwardly, which is really only presented later on in ROTJ, so if you watch OT then PT it would be one of those 'oh, man, i never realized that' type scenes. It shows that Vader has not yet been able to destroy all of Anakin, and, in a way, Anakin saved Obi Wan from Vader by blocking Vader's lightsaber with his blue one).

A torpedo hits the ship (remember the battle going on outside at this point from the clone army) and causes sparks and dust and equipment to fall. Obi-Wan, knowing that Vader is more than he can handle (again, this hints its not Anakin, because they are evenly matched during the lava fight, and obi-wan maybe even seems to have the upper hand at points) takes this distraction as a way to escape. In the end Obi-Wan couldn't defeat Vader with his old saber. Luke couldn't defeat Vader with his old saber. Only Luke by refusing to fight his father could win. An allusion could be made to the fact that the lightsaber is still not the answer, it is still too much of an offensive weapon. Yoda said that A Jedi fights in defense, never offense, and it is at the end of ROTJ that we see that proven true.

Obi Wan returns to the Jedi Temple just as Palpatine makes his move to take control and the Jedi Temple gets wiped out. We see people like Mace die. Chaos ensues, Jedi are dropping like flys... Padme is giving birth as the temple falls around them. Obi Wan says 'Master Yoda, I must tell you something' but we don
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#89559
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TRON being remade STOP IT!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/89559/action/topic#89559
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As an Animator an Disney fan I would like to make the following statement:

Michael Eisner can suck my sweaty nut sack.

OK, Now I've got that off my chest, this comment in the New Tron article made me laugh:

An online environment that entraps people, refuses to release them into the real world and forces them to play all manner of ‘games’? What kind of far-fetched madness is this?

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#89081
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/89081/action/topic#89081
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I think that Darth Simon's ideas earlier in the thread are excellent aand I really really (unrealistically) hope that Georgy is reading this and he goes and shoots some pickup scenes and reedits ROTS to at least be a bit like Simon's version. One thing I just want to add though - Obi Wan should see Anakin's lightsaber along with his other possesions, and maybe pick it up and look at it sadly, but then put it back down, then Vader appears helmetless (we don't see his face) tells Obi Wan that his friend is 'No More', then the camera swings round as the helmet goes on and we see Vader from the front in all his glory. He switches on his new Red lightsabre and they fight. Obi Wan loses his lightsaber (it get's knocked out of his hand, or maybe Vader takes it from him using the force and throws it down a hole or something) so Obi Wan uses Anakin's saber to fend off vader (oh the Irony - Anakin's blue saber Vs Vader's red one...) then escapes as the ship is attacked. Vader walks away.