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Williarob

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#1449957
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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I usually listen to soundtracks while I work. Right now I’m listening to the Lord of the Rings Soundtrack.

Reel 6 is remarkably clean and complete, so it’s going much more quickly than I had anticipated, based on the other reels.

When I’ve had enough I walk away. On the days where I don’t feel like working on it at all I just don’t. Luckily it’s not my day job so I don’t have that “get it done or you’ll lose your job” pressure. There are also plenty of other things to work on, for example the 16mm SPFX doc, or 4K77 2.0, or even just other aspects of 4K80, such as sourcing the missing frames: Inserts from other prints must be color matched and cleaned and aligned, all of which takes time, but also provides a change, however small that helps keeps things moving but also breaks the monotony.

For anyone who has never worked on a film or animation, frame by frame, working for hours at a time it’s probably difficult to imagine how long it all takes, and how disappointing it can be to count up your frames for the day, whether it’s a dozen or 300 or 1000, and converting that into real time, only to realize that your “wahoo!” moment of “1000 frames!” equates to just 41 seconds of a 2 hour movie. It also means that you end up spending weeks and weeks looking at the stark whiteness of Hoth, or the dunes of Tatooine, or the forests of Endor. That moment when the action shifts to another set can be so refreshing that you can keep going for another hour!

The progress wheels help me a lot. Not only do they keep you informed of my (slow) progress, but it’s psychologically helpful to me - like crossing things to do from a list. It helps me see that there is an end, and every time I can move the wheels I can see I’m getting closer to it. 1% of a reel is about 12 seconds of film or 288 frames, so if I clean less than that in a session, I can’t move the wheels. I like moving the wheels, even by only 1%, so that gives me a goal to hit every time.

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#1448965
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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jordy said:

Well, it seems this place also is as toxic as reddit…

Hmmm. If everywhere you post (OT, Trilogy Forums, Reddit, for example) instantly turns toxic the moment you start typing then perhaps it’s not the people already there who are creating that environment…

Here we are, six pages deep into a thread that’s nearly 3 years old, and there wasn’t any toxicity before you arrived.

Luke: What’s in there?
Yoda: Only what you take with you.

Just sayin’. Food for thought, no?

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#1448956
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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jordy said:
You know that you’re posting/updating 4k80 to two forums?

Yes, because you are asking the same question on two forums and I’m the only guy in the entire world who has answers to your questions, because it’s my project.

jordy said:
(I really do not understand why you post about your Star Wars projects to a forum, instead of something like a blog.)
That main 4K80 page I linked you to is on a blog site, and yet here you are anyway, asking about it.

It’s done when it’s done because there are too many variables. If you actually take the time to read the post you quoted with your original question above, it explains what is happening and why it is taking so long.

jordy said:
Also, if you do not want people to ask ‘stupid questions’, then how about telling people not to ask for a completion date, or any questions on period of time to complete?

If you bothered to read any of the threads here or on TSWT forums you’d know that we have told people this. Repeatedly. So clearly doing that doesn’t prevent stupid questions.

jordy said:
(Also, I don’t see a point in saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’. Like, it just keeps things as vague as without saying such. If the case is that there’s no idea on period of time, weeks, months, years, it doesn’t make that clear by saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’.)

We’ve been working on this project for at least two years already. If I tell you it will be done on July 23rd 2023 at 7:25 pm will that make you feel better? It’s not at all accurate. It could be done by Christmas this year or in May of next year. The fact is that I have no idea when it will be done. It’s not my day job, it’s just something I work on in my spare time and the amount of spare time I have varies from day to day, week to week. So it will be finished when I finish it and not before.

If you visit the page with the progress wheels regularly you can see progress as it happens, and get some idea of how long it will take. For example, in the last week I’ve cleaned another 15% of Reel 6. I could be doing more clean up right now, but instead here I am patiently explaining all of this to you.

Also, if you are unhappy with the way I’m handling the project feel free to buy your own prints of Empire, get them scanned in 4K, clean them up frame by frame, color correct them, encode them, and create torrents for everybody to enjoy them.

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#1448948
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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Status is updated here whenever there is news to report:

https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k80/

It is still being actively worked on (as was actually explained in the post you quoted), if you check the last updated date, the status wheels were updated yesterday.

It’s done when it’s done, and frankly everytime somebody asks me “When’s it going to be done?” - which is no different to asking “how long is a piece of string?” because nobody can know the answer to that question - you only make it take longer - I could have cleaned another 24 frames of 4K80 in the time it took to answer this stupid question. Again.

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#1447282
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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There are several reasons why 4K80 is taking so much longer than the others:

  1. There’s only 1 person working on it right now
  2. Most of the prints are in pretty rough shape, compared to those we have for Star Wars and Jedi
  3. We keep getting more prints of Empire to play with and we want to use the best parts from each:

Currently we have the 16mm dupe, a 1980 Fuji print, a 1980 German print, 1 reel from a British 1980 print and a complete '97 Special Edition print, as well as the older scans we made for the Grindhouse. That’s a lot of film sort through, color correct and clean up. We also bought an Italian print of Empire back in June which still hasn’t arrived from Rome, and we know of at least 2 other prints we may be able to scan.

But 4K80 isn’t the only thing we’ve been working on. We also scanned some more prints of Star Wars this year: an Italian print, a low contrast Eastman print with good color, a Mono print with terrible Vinegar Syndrome but hopefully we can salvage the sound, 3 x 16mm prints, Another 97 Special Edition print.

And that’s not all, we scanned another original '83 print of Jedi (which turned out to be pretty beaten up) and we should be getting a '97 SE print of Jedi soon too. We scanned a Czech print of Phantom Menace and a Spanish print of Revenge of the Sith.

We also scanned two more 16mm prints of The Making of Star Wars, 1 more SPFX this week and 1 more From Star Wars to Jedi a few months ago.

Right now, I have over 200 TB of raw film scans backed up to LTO tape, most of which is Star Wars related.

If all of this is news to you, then you should probably head over to forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com to learn more and watch some previews. You can use this code to register: OT-21wceCpKFdYgD1FgHEkjSw4K77-80

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#1439979
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ANH GOUT Reconstruction (A WIP)
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Atom-88 said:

That guy with no name said:

I have finally finished tweaking Adywans colour graded Blu-ray. To match the Gout.
Here are some pics: http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/F29BFNNU

They look really good ThatGuy, good work👍.

Yes, it really does look good. Having scanned at least 10 prints of Star Wars at this point I have come to accept that the colors of the GOUT are not always representative of the theatrical look of the film, however, I spent the 80s and 90s watching the VHS tapes over and over so this is how I remember the film looking and I’m very glad that you are preserving that look in such high quality. I will definitely enjoy watching it.

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#1439262
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ANH GOUT Reconstruction (A WIP)
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That guy with no name said:

nobodybutjarjar42 said:

That guy with no name said:

And unlike many other edits It will be very easy to download and watch.

What do you mean?

I mean I will post a link here instead of putting it on usenet or something.
Which is complicated for some people.

If direct download links were allowed here, don’t you think we’d all post them?

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#1417816
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Yes, we are moving to theatrically sync all three films from this point forward. 4K77 2.0 and 4K80 1.0 will include all available frames even if they were missing from the NTSC (or PAL or both) GOUT versions.

Presumably, however, we will continue to ensure that the Star Wars logo appears on frame 689 as it does on the GOUT, so that all the audio tracks still have the same starting point.

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#1400386
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<strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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It came on 2 reels. The telecine wobble is just as bad on our copy too, because that’s how it was printed. I had stabilized the whole film to the sprocket holes, but when I went to watch it the film still wobbled all over the place:

https://vimeo.com/497685100

So now I’m going shot by shot, stabilizing to the picture which takes a little longer.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like the print we borrowed for scanning was in very good shape. There was a fair amount of warping which made it twist and turn in the film gate, causing distortion and “focus breathing” too, but it’s still fun to watch.

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#1400162
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<strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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calculon559 said:

Williarob said:

benduwan said:
will there be release of the SPFX: making of the empire strikes back too?

Yes, I’m working on that right now actually. It will be a bonus feature with 4K80.
imgur

That looks like a two-color print, as opposed to a faded full-color film.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but is there much you can do with that sort of film? Reds and skintones should be easy to fix, but either the green or blue is missing or maybe even mixed together?

That’s after some color correction - it is faded to pink:

Imgur

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#1399413
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<strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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benduwan said:

Williarob said:

Here is a reusable invite code join to https://forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com/

4K77J21-5TC0tuNTFqk01rKvGQ5ivpqG

This code will expire at the end of January. Happy New Year!

can´t login anymore.
“The requested user ’ could not be found.”
but i didn´t change anything…

I don’t see any record of an account with this username. It’s worth noting that any registrations with disposable email addresses, or addresses/IPs that are blacklisted on SPAM lists are automatically rejected. (I’m not suggesting that you’re a spammer, but if you signed up while connected to a VPN, it’s possible that the IP Address you were using at the time is blacklisted somewhere.)

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#1393401
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<strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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Nilbog said:

Based on the provided info on 4K77’s webpage, 97% of the film comes from a Spanish print. If that’s accruate, I assume the other 3% is for the opening scrawl, end credits, and damaged frames?

I’m unsure about the audio source for the SSE, but is all the audio for 4K77 from the GOUT or does is some from prints?

That’s incorrect. Waht is says on the webpage is that “97% of project 4K77 is from a single, original 1977 35mm Technicolor release print”, the other 3% is a mix of Spanish LPP, a second British IB Technicolor print, a 97 Special Edition print and 2011 Bluray (for any frames that were missing from all prints at the reel changes).

Audio is from Harmy’s Despecialized, which is mostly laserdisc sourced. All of the print audio is incomplete since there are frames missing throughout, and the LPP audio is obviously in Spanish.