Wazzles

TV's Frink said:

Alestat said:

Hello

I'm from Europe/Hungary so excuse my grammar mistakes please, I'm not a native speaker.

First of all I want to say thank you to Harmy and everyone who worked on this remastered version. I really hated all those CGI versions. It was really nice to watch the original masterpiece in a better quality. 

Though I couldn't download the fifth and sixth episode, so I have to beg for an invitation as well :/

The mentioned episodes are on piratebay, but someone removed all the dub tracks, except the English. I like the English version too but u guys could understand me, when I was a kid I saw the original trilogy on my native language.. So for me that's the one which brings my childhood memories back.

Also, I don't know if are there any Dragon Ball fans here (SW and DB have a lot in common, the author was a huge SW fan). It would be really cool to make a fan-restored version of that too since the publishers nowadays do the same unforgivable things to the DB as Lucas do to the SW...

Anyways, sorry for the long post, I just wanted to make you guys feel some sympathy for a foreigner SW fan :P Please send me an invitation here -> alestat[dot]flowolf[at]gmail[dot]com

Thx and keep up the quality work

 So this makes three.  I know people don't listen to those of us who think we shouldn't be handing out invites to those who come here for the invite and are never heard from again...but this guy is spamming the forum with the same post in multiple places.  Don't encourage it!

 Yeah, at least your spamming is different every time! :)

JawsTDS said:

I used althor1138's LD rip and reformated & encoded it to MPEG-2. It's SD, but it's an amazing looking transfer. All the prequels have been compiled, now it's time to move to the OT. 

For the OT '97 SE, would people prefer LD rips or TB sourced material? Both have the terrible DVNR, so both won't look great, but TB is digital, but once again, it's MPEG-2 and 4gb, something I'm very weary of. DarkJedi made it look very good, but I doubt I could do the same with it. For ANH '97, I have a chance to use a film print, which I think I will end up doing, but ESB '97 and ROTJ '97 wouldn't be.

 Are you trying to go with a visual consistency for each trilogy? If so, use TB for all the 97's. If not, go with your print for ANH and TB for the other two.

tfshirty said:

EyeShotFirst said:

ChainsawASH did the 90 box set, so I've decided to tackle the 92 box set.

I will upload these after I am confident in their quality, and I am done with the Blu Ray sized covers I am doing for Harmy's edits.

The images I used are the highest quality I could manage. Painstaking hours in front of a computer searching for the highest of quality images. The fonts I used aren't exact, but they are very close.

 

 Is there another link to get these somewhere? The mediafire link no longer works.

 I second this. Also, does anyone have the 97 SE covers from much earlier in the thread?

JawsTDS said:

A New Hope: Theatrical HD (Laserman)

 Isn't the Laserman project dead an incomplete? Why not use a GOUT source? If not, can someone link the thread?

Hal 9000 said:

Sans bonus material, there are projects already underway to restore the OOT and '97SE, as well as color correcting the BluRays. I'd say bide your time until those ripen and make your own custom box set. 

 I agree. Wait for Team-1's scans for the OUT or a more complete version of Harmy's despecialized trilogy. If you're impatient, for the OUT, use dark_jedi's GOUT V3 DVDs. That would give you all three in SD. For the 97's, use the TB versions. These are, I believe, either laserdisc rips of SD widescreen broadcasts. I believe there may be a color corrected version of the 2011's out there at the moment.

For TPM, there really isn't a decent HD reconstruction of the theatrical, so you could either use the TB or just the DVD edition, which is essentially a director's cut. Also for TPM, try to find a color corrected 2011 with added grain to somewhat ride the film of waxy looking faces and possible bringing out detail elsewhere. Then just the DVD and Blu Ray versions of AOTC and ROTS. You may also want to include the 2004 versions for completionist's sake, though these wold be SD, and you really wouldn't want to bother with color correction.

For special features, all the bonus disc material from the PT DVDs, all the commentary tracks for each film, Empire of Dreams, The Birth of the Lightsaber, From Star Wars to Jedi, the Definitive Collection laserdisc bonus material, and whatever is included in the Complete Saga set. 

This is something that I've been wanting for a while, so it would be nice to see if this comes to light. I would love to see some box set mockups and disc covers as well. Good luck!

EDIT: This may be a good TPM project to watch for this: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THE-PHANTOM-MENACE-THEATRICAL-HD-Toppers-Version/topic/17137/

darklordoftech said:

I wonder what the recent rumors mean for the 1997 versions.

 The absolute maximum will be deleted scenes. Even that's not likely.

darklordoftech said:

What do you all make of this?

http://www.filmdivider.com/5738/disney-ad-reveals-their-plans-to-reissue-the-six-existing-star-wars-films/

 Note that when it shows Star Wars clips, it says copyright 2014 Lucasfilm. So... new transfer or new release? Because the Episode II stuff they showed was 2014 as well.

moviefreakedmind said:

Wazzles said:

Harmy said:

I'm not sure what you mean. The 2004 SE lightsabers in the Vader Ben duel are recomposited original elements (at least for the most part) and the RMV video seems to be exactly the same way, just with much better colors.

 So I'd much rather talk about this than whatever the hell Maxim Recoil is on about, even if it has been done to death. So in the OUT (at least in the GOUT and 95 tapes), Ben's lightsaber's rotoscoping seems to "fizzle out". This was fixed in the 2004 SE (as in this picture: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--PxX2nzQ2rM/TIkhT1Yj8XI/AAAAAAAAcjM/GInu6VOLyNE/w1045-h899-no/Comp-096.jpg). Was this a part of the original element and/or in the IB print you saw?Or was it recreated digitally?

What I'm expecting is the OUT but with original effects re-composited identical to the originals (or at maybe only in some cases), like the original SE plan. I know that this wouldn't be the true original versions and am not trying to argue otherwise, but this is just what I think we can expect, and if the lightsabers are recompositions of the original elements then that would make sense. This would be a 4K remaster of the O"U"T, but without any of the changes/additions in the SE's. I could picture that being what this 4K release is

 Could the look just be a result of their cleanup techniques? If that were the case, then it would still be possible that this is an OUT work.

MaximRecoil said:

Wazzles said:

Please stop. I came here to talk about a possible 4K transfer and you have successfully perverted the thread into an entirely new tangent. Is it too hard to agree to disagree? What's with all this lawyer talk, anyway?

You're confused. Every one of my posts on this thread has been in direct reply to someone else's post, and has been relevant to said post. So, to clear up your confusion: everyone who has been arguing about the GOUT (including the people who can only manage to comment on the argument from the peanut gallery) has "successfully perverted the thread into an entirely new tangent" (I haven't been arguing with myself, obviously). Do you want a list of usernames, or do you think you can just scroll up and find them yourself?

 Why do you do this?  What do you get out of trying to one up people on the internet? And because you like to analyze every single goddamn word anyone posts, by "trying" I do not necessarily mean "unsuccessfully". Besides, when someone says that the GOUT is completely "unwatchable" or "horrendous", they are simply stating their opinion, or their own point of view. To them, they may find them as just those things. There is really no point in changing their opinion. And no, I'm not confused, because you are the one who is arguing against absolutely anything anyone says that is in no way related to the topic at hand. You are also the one who sent the thread into this tangent, as your very first post on the subject is the one that derailed the thread.

The quality wasn't horrendous, it just wasn't nearly as good as it could have been. The old homespun LaserDisc transfers ("TR47", etc.) used to get nearly universal praise on this forum, even into 2006 just before the GOUT was released. In fact, people here were still gushing about the recently-released (at the time) Cowclops/TR47 v.2, right as the GOUT was being announced. The GOUT blows all of those LaserDisc transfers out of the water, at least in terms of video quality (its 192 kbps AC-3 audio is nothing to write home about though).

The GOUT was the ultimate "LaserDisc transfer" (so to speak), given that it skipped the LaserDisc and went straight to the masters that were the source of the most commonly transferred LaserDiscs ('93 Definitive and '95 Faces).

I loved the original "TR47" when I first discovered it in '05. However, I played it side by side with the GOUT the other day on my PC and it was horrible in comparison. Not only is the TR47 less detailed/clear, but the brightness and borders of the letterboxing constantly and rapidly flicker in it as well.

If the GOUT had been released by an OT.com forum member in 2006 instead of by Lucasfilm, it would have set this place on fire, and said forum member would have been an instant OT.com "celebrity".

 This was in response to MFM saying:

Regardless of how horrendous the quality was, he still gave people an opportunity to see the unaltered versions; as long as they don't replace the Special Editions then he won't care.

I honestly just want this thread to get back on topic. Is this a problem with you?

PS Sorry for the weird quoting and highlighting, I can't seem to make it go away properly.

Please stop. I came here to talk about a possible 4K transfer and you have successfully perverted the thread into an entirely new tangent. Is it too hard to agree to disagree? What's with all this lawyer talk, anyway?

Harmy said:

I'm not sure what you mean. The 2004 SE lightsabers in the Vader Ben duel are recomposited original elements (at least for the most part) and the RMV video seems to be exactly the same way, just with much better colors.

 So I'd much rather talk about this than whatever the hell Maxim Recoil is on about, even if it has been done to death. So in the OUT (at least in the GOUT and 95 tapes), Ben's lightsaber's rotoscoping seems to "fizzle out". This was fixed in the 2004 SE (as in this picture: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--PxX2nzQ2rM/TIkhT1Yj8XI/AAAAAAAAcjM/GInu6VOLyNE/w1045-h899-no/Comp-096.jpg). Was this a part of the original element and/or in the IB print you saw?Or was it recreated digitally?

What resolution are you scanning at?

dark_jedi said:

Thanks you guys for the compliments, but you guys are still preferring the v3 DVD over our new Team Blu-ray release of SW 77? We think this BD just blows away the v3 DVD, you guys don't agree?

Thanks again

 The only reason I would watch the DVD V3 over the Blu Ray is because I don't have a Blu Ray player. I use a computer to watch Despecialized, but if I have the option, I prefer a physical copy (such as an actual burnt copy of the V3 DVDs). I also use VLC, which sucks for Blu Rays, and it  just makes it a hassle. The V3 of RotJ is also the best available version of that currently available.

You are really over thinking this. The point is that we were given a sub-par release of these films. It was no where near the quality of DVDs of the time, and holds up less well today because we're used to high definition.

The part of Ben's death that really bothers me is that Vader's lightsaber passes through Ben's, something that is impossible. It would have either stopped right there or thrown the lightsaber to the ground.

Octorox said:

 but when watching Harmy's, nothing every stuck out to me as clearly manipulated or recomposited.

 I disagree with that. While Harmy's is the overall best in terms of quality, it varies widely from shot to shot. If that doesn't bother you, he has the best versions of SW and ESB available. I wouldn't recommend his RotJ until 2.0 comes out, so I would stick to Dark_Jedi's GOUT V3 for that. If you want consistent quality throughout, Dark_Jedi's GOUT V3, even though the quality is piss poor (a problem with the source, not the upscale work).

I don't like any of the changes in Star Wars or Jedi, but the 1997 version of Empire is almost the best version of the film, in my opinion. The only changes that I do not like from it were the Vader's star destroyers stuff after the duel and Luke's scream. Otherwise, pretty much everything is a positive change. I still heavily prefer the theatrical cut, though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a 4K scan wasn't going to be used for a 4K release, instead being released in 1080p, wouldn't it not really matter what resolution the CGI is in? Wouldn't it look fine when scaled back down to 1080p?

zombie84 said:

The Blu-ray MASTER (not the BD compressed version itself) was the "for all time" version of the SE.

 I don't think so. I think that these were actually going to be the masters for the first Blu Ray release, but the demand was great enough that they just said screw it and reused the 2004, since it is 1080p. I think they actually intended to have a proper (SE) HD release of the films on Blu Ray with proper color correction (I think the color correction for the 2004 versions was an honest mistake as a result of a rushed project). I think they would have then added the additions from the 2004 masters and whatever else George felt like. I do think that it is possible that these masters were going to be used for the 3D release as well, since it would have taken so long for the films to be released theatrically, giving them plenty of time for the project. I think that they probably didn't bother with doing a full 4K version of PM so that it would look more like AOTC and ROTS, creating a more consistent look for the PT (sort of like how over DNR'd the Blu Rays were).

Also, regarding the 97 SE's, what is most likely going to happen is we will never have a complete release. What is more likely to happen is we will get a set with the theatricals and 2011 versions, with the 97 footage that is not in one or the other included as deleted/alternate scenes. I seriously doubt we will ever get more than that for the 97 versions.

So all this being said, what they are showing off is probably the 97's will all the automated clean up and restoration done on them. As far as the lightsabers go, I don't think that comparing them to the GOUT will really get us anywhere. The 2004/2011 versions could be what they looked like on the negative. We just don't know. I have doubts that these are the theatrical versions, however, but just because I don't know if an IP scan would look that good (which would be the most likely source for the OUT). I could be wrong, though, when it comes to IP quality. 

Danfun128 said:

Wazzles said:

Nick66 said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Zer0Squared said:

Someone should try to contact James Earl Jones.  How righteous would that be?

 I wonder if David Prowse is sufficiently disgusted that he might want to do it?

 I have a better idea.

 I would love to see that. It's also more likely than with David Prowse or James Earl Jones.

 Guys, this isn't Star Trek Despecialized. What does George Takei have to do with Star Wars?

 I'm meant mostly because of how active he is on the internet. Plus I'm sure he doesn't hate Star Wars just because he was in Star Trek.

Nick66 said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Zer0Squared said:

Someone should try to contact James Earl Jones.  How righteous would that be?

 I wonder if David Prowse is sufficiently disgusted that he might want to do it?

 I have a better idea.

 I would love to see that. It's also more likely than with David Prowse or James Earl Jones.

Harmy said:

Not with the currently available sources but I'm hoping for better ones down the line, so if I get them, the original Rancor will definitely be restored and I'm looking forward to it.

 Does this mean that it's going to be like in the SE, or are you just going to use the GOUT?

darklordoftech said:

For ROTJ, I'd like to see the 1983 and 1997 endingd via seamless branching and there may have been separate 70mm and 35mm mixes for ESB.

 That would negate the point of having a true theatrical release. There will never be a compromise cut of the trilogy. What I would like to see, but know will never happen, is a set that contains the OOT alongside a new "final cut" of the films. These would be essentially the 2011 versions, but fixing the inconsistencies created from various SE releases (namely, missing effects on cloud city), and possibly updating the CGI. That would provide a decent amount of material for a fan edit, as well as a sort of compromise for George Lucas. 

And I for one am the exact type of sucker who would shell out like $200 for a complete boxed set with every version of all the films (PT included) with a ton of special features. 

OT on 1995 faces VHS

PT in theaters

I really want to see the OT in theaters. I think that would be an amazing experience.

I think what I would like to see is a decent quality P&S version of the GOUT (with quality on-par with DJ's V3 DVD) so you could create a set that has the widescreen version and the P&S version. The only issue I would foresee is if the P&S versions take more on the top and bottom of the frame, as I know a lot of P&S or open-matte fullscreen films do. You could technically fill it in with P&S laserdisc and VHS footage, however.