Wazzles

TV's Frink said:

Can I get an invite?

 Yes

TV's Frink said:

(DON'T SEND ME ONE)

No

scruffy_looking said:

yoda-sama said:

Yeah, that is what I meant.

Just had a thought, for the background video during the initial menu, what clips do people have in mind?  Being that this is the DeEd, would shots of before, during and after restoration be something we'd like to see, or do we want to look past that the SE's even exist and have just choice clips from the restored film?  This project seems to always walk a fine line of wanting to focus on only the originals mattering and lauding the truly impressive achievement of undoing such heinous alterations.

 

This is just my two cents, but when I pop in a despecialized edition, the last thing I want to see on my screen is any trace of any "special edition".

 How about a loop entirely made of SE footage with Yakkity Sax playing over it?

Smithers said:

that would be perfect if you could make a digital scan of the AOTC cover? This may actually become my PT box set from now on. 

 Absotively posilutely. 

Smithers said:

tfshirty said:

You captured their blandness perfectly.

 I just died, I laughed so hard after reading both these comments oh my goodness why, just why XD

 Since you liked it so much, I went ahead and finished the PT...

For best viewing pleasure, I recommend this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0X2IyycDE&index=6&list=PLtQYsiH7WmTRKvoTo0mTadmwGcw2Kke2L 

hairy_hen said:

A lot of the blame for this rests squarely on Lucas himself.  By creating the special edition in the way he did, he opened the door for others to follow.  He's the one who first put the thought of changing films out there in the first place, and since ideas are pretty much impossible to eradicate, this way of thinking has spread to an alarming degree.

 No one else modifies o-negs, though. 

In regards to a comprehensive set, I doubt it would ever contain the '04 SE. But a branch of the 97/11 would be the most likely solution (if the 97 were to be included at all, which it probably won't be). Since the o-neg exists as the 97, it would be easy to preserve that and simultaneously restore it and reassemble the 11 from the new scan. I don't think we'll see a new cut, either. The most we're likely to get is a reconstructed 11 on one set of discs and a restored OOT on another.

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (1992)- 5/10

Not super great. Doesn't really capture the mood or themes of the show very well and just seems superfluous. Generally a disappointment. 

SilverWook said:

 

If I didn't know better, I would think the disc was transferred to tape before it was recorded to DVD.

 That's certainly a possibility if it was done quickly- just hooking up the LD player to a VCR, then using a DVD recorder/VHS combo player to put it on DVD.

It means theatrical as in the 1997 Special Editions that were released in theaters, as opposed to the 2004 DVD version or the 2011 Blu Ray version. And yeah, they're just mistaken. It's a guy in a suit.

Tobar said:

It literally takes like five seconds to create an account there. You don't even need an email address.

 That's not the point. I just don't want a Reddit account.

Tobar said:

You guys have some weird ideas about reddit.

 I just think it kinda sucks because I don't want to make a Reddit account. If the page wasn't private, this wouldn't be a problem. I don't see them making it public anytime soon, though.

Harmy said:

While I'm waiting for more ROTJ 35mm footage, I decided to take Team N1's recent Grindhouse release of Empire and start experimenting with it for ESB v2.5 and here's the result:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0dtCY1O9WXzcWI3YU5KUjRKOW8/view?usp=sharing

(In order to see the full quality, you have to download it, not just watch it in your browser.)

 It's impressive how much detail was lost on the arms in the Blu Ray verion- they look like thin little sticks. You can actually see the entirety of the arms in this.

Best one coming through guys:

Boom. Beat that. It may be in a DVD case, but I'm sure it would fit fine in a Blu Ray case.

I made this for Attack of the Clones, but it's really more Blu Ray Sized :)

generalfrevious said:

But to stay on topic, didn't Peter Jackson do to the Hobbit what Orci and Kurtzman did to Star Trek, turning thought provoking works into mindless action schlock? Is anyone afraid that Jackson could spend the rest of his life butchering the rest of Tolkien's work in the same vein?

 Well, The Hobbit was never really a though-provoking work, just a kid's fairy tale.

generalfrevious said:

You know, maybe Jackson should have made the Hobbit first in the late 90s. It could have been a more restrained film than what we got, and if the Tolkien estate didn't like it they could have handed the reins for LOTR to a more reliable director. At least Zack Snyder or Justin Lin wasn't behind the wheel for this project.

At the very least he tried to, even if it never happened.

walking_carpet said:

  I keep hearing 'lucas is not involved anymore.  he doesnt have control anymore'.  but how do we really know this? 

 He said so himself. He hasn't even seen the trailer.

Thanks for the share, but the click-bait title is really pretty awful. Why not just have it something like "Some interesting Star Wars facts"?

Alderaan, you make the assumption that nobody likes the SEs. That's simply not true, as you'll find a lot of people on here at the very least preferring the 97 SEs. I also, to a degree, like the SEs, but I don't think they should be the only version out there. They do add some necessary fixes here and there, and are a generally interesting experiment. But ultimately, the definitive versions of these films are the unaltered ones. I don't want an official semi-specialized. That's where I think the fan edit community can fill in the gaps.

Alderaan said:

1) Cleaned up OOT ... basically what the SE versions should have been all along. No Greedo shooting. No rock in front of R2. No CGI Jabba. No CGI inserts AT ALL. No Boba Fett mugging. No Luke screaming. No Jedi Rocks. No Hayden Ghost. etc. But with the new composite look above.

Alderaansaid:

 Wook, I'm not talking about Lucas's SE garbage. What Disney should do is restore the OOT and then approvenewLFL enhancements (from scratch) for an updated version.

Easy on the enhancements though! New composites fine.

Story changes, CGI additions, and all crap most people hate about the SE ... no!

They can sell that and just branch two versions ... the new 2015 enhanced version, which would be just a sleeker, better looking OOT like in Harmy's example above, and the original original.

Just like that copy of Star Treak season 1.

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but that will definitely not happen. There is no way. What's more likely is just the 2011 versions and the OUT in the same set. Both Disney and Fox are going to want to show respect to Lucas, and releasing a version like that would be pretty disrespectful. I think for something like that, fan edits can take care of. Also, no matter what we get, I can't imagine Luke's scream would make a return, unless of course they release the 97 SE. And Harmy's example is the official Blu Ray.

Alderaan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Alderaan said:

It just occurred to me, when Lucas last restored the original negatives, it had been 12 years since Jedi and 18 years since Star Wars, and they were said to be in very bad shape.

It has now been almost 20 years since the last OOT restoration (which was later converted into the '97 SE).

What are the chances that the negatives and fx are in even worse shape than they were in '95?

If the RMW 4K work is from a 'new' scan of the original elements, it would seem that the negatives are not much changed from what we've seen, however the lightsaber effects have continued to degrade, again, from the short snipped that we've seen.

 

I was under the impression that it was a scan from the 2004 SE that was to be used for 3D Lucas-graffiti releases that are now abandoned?

 It wouldn't be a scan of the 2004 release because that was primarily a digital "enhancement" of the 97 SE.

I'd say look for the NBC logo, but from my quick 30 second Google image search, the NBC logo hasn't changed since 1986, so you're out of luck there. Maybe the basic look of the color or the panning and scanning? I know the older pan and scan versions didn't have the most natural panning, and they also compressed the crawl so it was readable. With that, at the very least you could tell it's earlier than 1995.

I wish I had known about this thread sooner. I saw a 35mm showing back in July. All I can say is that what Harmy posted looks a little fuzzier and maybe a little warmer. From what I could tell the print was in great shape.

Bingowings said:

So the droids are they a stereotype same sex couple or just funny robots?

 Funny robots.

TV's Frink said:

team_negative1 said:

Not quite.

Team Negative1

 Darn, I was hoping for a little chocolate.

 Maybe they're scans from a documentary about chocolate factories. Those images do look pretty chocolaty. 

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

SilverWook said:

And "japs" is considered an offensive term in the U.S., just so you know.

It's offensive to UK people of Japanese origin too, which is why I used the term. The stereotype in the PT was offensive, contextually the use of the term makes sense to describe it.

 This strikes me as a bad reason to use an offensive term, but whatever.

 I agree, it just sounds more like an excuse.