Wazzles

DominicCobb said:

I've stated at length why Disney wouldn't want to do this in the 4K thread. Now, why they might: canon.

That's the one thing that'd make them pause. Now that there's apparently a story group, there's certainly a question of which version they consider canon. Right now it's the SE. But with the OOT release likely impending, and with people like Rian Johnson being the main authors of the new continuity, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some conversations about changing that. But then what, the OOT is canon and the SE isn't anymore? Would they want to change their minds? Would that switch actually change anything, continuity-wise?

Probably not. But if the quandary really gets under their skin, we could see a new version. Ultimately, though, I think it's not worth the effort and most people will probably say "who cares" anyway.

 What's most likely happening is that the ST will be written so that either will work canon, making no mention of anything specific in the SE or OOT. Unless they make a Han shot first joke.

SilverWook said:

Seems a little short sighted for EOD to have been shot in standard def in 2004.

 It's not the only documentary from that era to be shot in SD. Metallica: Some Kind of Monster was also shot this way. Probably just a status-quo type of thing.

FrankT said:

Wazzles said:

FrankT said:

I'm a little skeptical about this news. How is it that after so many years, George Lucas just gives in and rereleases his original work just like that? I'll have to wait for further news to pop up, but if it's true, I'll love him for all time! I'll even forgive him for the Complete Saga Blu-rays!

 Because it costs him nothing now.

 Then either he's given up on his "original vision", or he's about to admit that the originals were it all along.

 He hasn't given up on it, or he would have used his own money to restore them. He just doesn't care anymore.

FrankT said:

I'm a little skeptical about this news. How is it that after so many years, George Lucas just gives in and rereleases his original work just like that? I'll have to wait for further news to pop up, but if it's true, I'll love him for all time! I'll even forgive him for the Complete Saga Blu-rays!

 Because it costs him nothing now.

Joel said:

At the risk of sounding jaded, I'm a little suspicious that this came from comicbook.com again. 

 Well it's technically coming from Empire.

Oh I'm not arguing that it wasn't worth it, I'm just saying using a 35mm source to remove halos just kind of defeats the purpose of this project.

g-force said:

Zyrother said:

@Intruder

Looks pretty good! I can definitely see a bit of additional sharpening in the detail. Its awesome to see what others can do with the same script!

Although I think we can all agree that we have pretty much hit a wall with the GOUT here, I cant imagine more can be squeezed out of it without the use of high end professional grade equipment.

Don't forget it was pro equipment that got us into this mess to begin with! :)

About what else can be done, there exists a transfer function (and a bunch of other non-linear shit) that turned the 35mm frames into the GOUT we all know and hate. Take a raw frame, downsample it, throw away lines to get the same aliasing as the GOUT, FFT both, get the transfer function, iFFT the transfer function, convolve with the GOUT, and you should end up getting rid of the ringing/haloing.

-G

 I think at that point it wouldn't even be remotely worth it.

Libertine86 said:

Hey, new to the forum, ive read a few of the primers about get a copy of this, is myspleen still the best way about going about it? id love to watch these so i can appriciate the work thats been put into making them! any help people could give me woould be awesome!

 Check your PM.

BB-8 said:

Thanks for your response. Yes, AVCHD. I would say that it looks worst when there are letters on the screen...the opening crawl for instance. I have a 4K TV and a Sony Blu-Ray. If you're standing at the TV you can see it's not as sharp, but even just sitting on the couch it's pretty stunning. So maybe not worth getting a blu-ray burner? 

 That could also be that you're watching a 720p video on a 4k TV. You may not even notice a difference with the MKV.

Has anyone tried to upscale the Blu Ray to 4k using this technique? I'm curious how well it would work with a higher quality source. That is assuming that SRV11 isn't written specifically for the GOUT.

DrDre said:

Another nice property of the color matching algorithm, is that it does not require the reference to have the same quality as the source. Although it's not Star Wars, I thought it was nice to share this comparison. There has been a lot of debate about the color timing of the Raiders of the Lost Ark bluray, and some prefer the HDTV broadcast known as the WOWOW. Here's an example of color correcting the bluray using a screenshot of a 16 mm print of Raiders of the Lost Ark, that has most of it's colors intact.

An interesting aspect of this color match, is that Indy has a more natural skin tone in the color corrected frame, than in either the bluray or the WOWOW. 

 That's really great looking, especially since I think that the Blu Ray looks better than WOWOW in that particular shot. That one just blows both of them out of the water.

nightstalkerpoet said:

I'd be far more interested in seeing Indy 4 color matched using the first 3 films.

 I'd be more interested in Indy 4 being more like the first 3.

I think rubber glue may be typical for paper and cardboard, at least if you want some quality. I think.

Zyrother said:

Wow, that is really impressive. Looks very natural.

I have not watched the Blu Ray set, but I assume the consensus was that the colors were over saturated? Or what was the problem regarding the set color wise?

 If you've ever watched the the 2004 DVD, it's roughly the same color wise.

poita said:

Yeah, only shitty movies from the 80s like... Princess Bride...

 Am I the only one who didn't like this movie?

schorman13 said:

Thought it was Austrian.

 Whatever you say, mate.

wymjafett2112 said:

They need to quit releasing the special editions,  and just 

No.

wymjafett2112 said:

 give us the originals

Yes.

RU.08 said:

Guys I just rick-clicked the link and downloaded it again (this time in Chrome), it definitely works:

Googledrive Link

It doesn't work if you open it in a new window, but if you right-click and select "save target as" it downloads it fine, and you can open it in VLC or MPC.

 This one now works for me.

Still doesn't work for me. Anyone else get it working with Chrome?

It still doesn't seem to work for me.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/StarWarsLegacy-com-The-Official-Thread/post/788194/#TopicPost788194

FrankT said:

Some new ones based off the '94 VHS covers. I know Moth3r did them before, but I couldn't resist... anyway, I wanted to see if I could based on the limited resources I have!

 Those look great. Nice job!

ilovewaterslides said:

The 2004 edition was so badly done. You can actually see the tail of the '97 Jabba during the transition in the scene where he talks with Han.

http://i1.someimage.com/bGksBr9.jpg

See?

 Holy shit...

TServo2049 said:

Can someone explain to me what that super-blown-out picture is from? There's obviously a joke here, and I feel like I'm the only one who's not in on it...

 It's not just you.

kevin7 said:

I'm basing the disc labels off my VHS copies from the 90s. Only thing I've changed is how the content is arranged. So ESB and ROTJ will include the CBS FOX logo. The tapes list ANH at 124 mins, ESB at 128 mins, and ROTJ at 134 mins. However, they are not the special editions. . . so there's a mystery.

 That's strange. I even double checked my copy to be sure. You are correct sir.

TServo2049 said:

Wazzles said:

I just today bought the fullscreen DVD of An American Tail. Does anyone know if this is open matte or pan and scan?

Open matte. The official widescreen transfers (Region 2 DVD, HDTV airings, Blu-Ray) have almost no extra picture on the sides.

Actually, the widescreen versions have always looked a bit tight to me, I am still not sure whether the official widescreen transfers are all zoomed in too much, or if that's how tight the framing actually was in theaters.

The open-matte transfer is likely still zoomed a bit just to hide the edges of cels and stuff like that, but for it's odd for the widescreen to have essentially NO extra picture on the sides in comparison. I've seen 35mm frames of The Fox and the Hound, The Great Mouse Detective, etc., with cel garbage at the edges of the frames that you don't see in official 4:3 transfers. And I know I have seen widescreen transfers - e.g., the HD airings of The Land Before Time - that have a little extra picture on the sides even with less on the top and bottom. With widescreen transfers they don't have to worry about exposing the top/bottom crap so extra stuff can be shown on the sides. I wonder why An American Tail never has extra image on the sides...maybe someone needs to find a 35mm print.

 That's strange that they just didn't use widescreen cells, unless they made the film with home video in mind.