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#101997
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The Pope
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Originally posted by: JediSage

"....and ORDAIN elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the HUSBAND of ONE WIFE, having children..." emphasis mine.


Well it would seem to say it, but not very clearly. It would also seem to indicate that is ok for the clergy to marry. So tell me if this verse had instead said "... be blameless, the
WHITE Husband of of one wife..." would that mean only white men would be allowed to be priests? All because of this one verse?

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Originally posted by: Trooperman

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When does life begin?...I can't answer that one

I can. It begins at conception, when the sperm meets the egg and completely different DNA is created. That's scientific fact.

From the MOMENT OF CONCEPTION, that baby has completely different DNA from the mother. It's another person.

It's alive, correct? Yes, the fetus has life. Plant life? No. Animal life? No. Guess what? It's HUMAN life.



Well, not everyone agrees with your OPINION of when HUMAN life begins. I grant you that the fetus at point of conception is alive, but is it HUMAN? That is the question. And remember the sperm and eggs cell are technically alive BEFORE conception, yet no one treats the egg and sperm cells BEFORE conception as HUMAN life. The Bible clearly says murder is wrong, but where does it say that HUMAN life and HUMAN rights begin at conception? (and I'm not saying it doesn't say it somewhere, I'm not an expert on the bible)

Shim:
I think one of the reasons we celebrate birthdays instead conception days is because in most cases we know when a person was born , but many times we do not know the exact day that one was conceived.


On homosexuals: Do I think it is normal? no. Do I think homosexuals are somehow subhuman and should die? no. Are homosexuals intitled to the same rights as heterosexuals? yes Should homosexuals be allowed to be married by judges and religions that accept homosexually? yes. Should religions be able to consider homosexuallity sinfull , and ban it under their own rules(ie not allow homosexuals to be members of the church, and not allow the clergy of that church to conduct homosexual weddings)? yes.
Should you hate someone just because of their sexual preference? no, that is no way to judge a person.
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#101855
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The Pope
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it is unfortunate that we can't discuss these kinds of topics without getting upset at one another.

JediSage: I just read Titus Chapter 1 verses 5 through 7 from the Kings James Version of the Bible. There did not seem to be anything there that would prohibit female clergy.

As for Abortion, wheither someone its somone who had unprotected sex or rape, the real question is when does life begin? If it begins at birth, than abortion is not murder. If life begins at conception, then abortion is the taking of human life and (imho) would be wrong wheither or not the conception was rape. When does life begin?...I can't answer that one. But that is the question that needs to be answered.
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#101752
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The Pope
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/101752/action/topic#101752
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Originally posted by: Bossk
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Originally posted by: Warbler
I think that is a matter of opinion. Many people have many different interpretation of the Bible.


And that is exactly the problem. Which one do you subscribe to? And how can you discount another person who interprets it a different way? That's just sheer ignorance.


Bossk I wasn't replying to your statement, was replying to this statement from JediSage:

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Originally posted by: JediSage


Well...(please keep in mind I have no wish to offend), speaking as an ex-Catholic, I still realize that some things within Christian doctrine are not open to debate, such as the items you listed above (with the possible exception of contraceptives). The rules against those issues are biblical in nature, not dogmatic in nature.