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#114322
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The chosen one
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114322/action/topic#114322
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Yeah but you know what? I never had a teacher that would let me reedit an essay that I had already handed in and then be graded on the new draft. Once its handed in, its handed in. Just like the OT he might like to make changes but its too late, they have already been shown in theaters, tv, and on vhs. When a movie has been shown in theaters and tv and on VHS for 20 years, I think of it as "handed it", and once its handed in, its handed in.
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#114318
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what would you do if george reshot the OT with new actors & CGI so it flowed with the PT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114318/action/topic#114318
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Originally posted by: Shimraa


its your entertainment not your belonging.


I believe I have already stated that legally and technically, they're his.

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Originally posted by: Shimraa

you bring up the biggest problem its the people devoting there heart and soul to a peice of entertainment. dont you think thats bad. there are other things in life that deserve peoples heart and soul.

I agree that there are other things life that deserve your heart and soul and they certainly more important than Star Wars (family, job, etc), that doesn't mean you can't have
emotionaly ties to things like Star Wars. Being a Star Wars fan is a hobby, is it wrong to have emotional ties to a hobby? Fans of sports have emotional ties to their team. Tell me, are you ok with owners moving their sports teams because the city that they are in won't build them a stadium? They own the team it is their legal right to move the team if they wish. But does that make it right? Are you going to tell me that the Dodgers didn't in some emotional way belong to the people of Brooklyn?, That the Cubs don't in some way belong to the people of Chicago? That the old Browns didn't belong to the people of Cleveland? In the way that the Redsoxs belong to the people of Boston, that is the way that Starwars belong to the fans.

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Originally posted by: Shimraa

its also the reason why no matter what lucas does to the films, whether he makes new ones or makes changes, they will always be hated by the hardcore fans.


see, this is the kind of statement that always makes me mad. I mean you makes us sound like stubborn bigoted idiots. Most harecore fans of any movie are not going to like changes or remakes. But they are really going to hate them if the changes are lousy and IMHO in the case the OT they are, and if they can longer see the unchanged version. The OT was fine the way it was, there was no need to change it. As for the PT if you make bad films, people aren't going to like them its that simple. And remember I did say
that EPIII was good, so obvously I don't hate all new films.

I ask again If Lucas decided that the whole saga would look better if there was a big red X accoss the entire screen on every frame of all 6 films, would you be ok with him doing it?
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#114307
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The chosen one
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114307/action/topic#114307
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Originally posted by: Shimraa


as for your statments aobut changing things in the PT what do you want him to change, obvisously he made those after he made the OT and so everything that he wanted to incorperated in them that had to do with the OT is there, things like the DS in ATOC. the OT on the other hand was made before he knew exactly what the PT was, inorder to make a fully balanced saga things will need to be changed in the OT simplely because they were not made witht he PT in mind where as the PT was made with the OT in mind. you never know too in the 2007 release he might add a bunch of stuff to the PT to improve the continueity.


You missed my point, I don't want him to change the PT, I wanted him to make it right in the first place. Lets say you had a round hole(the OT) and were making a peg(The PT) to go into it. Would you make a round peg or would you make a square peg and then reshape the hole into a square shape? I wanted Lucas to make a round peg. Instead he makes a square peg and then reshapes the hole into a bigger square so that although the peg goes into it, its very loose in the hole and wobbles alot. Why not just make a round peg for a roung hole?
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#113944
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Kevin Smith interview in Rolling Stone on fans - Couldn't have said it better myself...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113944/action/topic#113944
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“This new Vader cycle (the prequels) has split the one-time Old Republic that was Star Wars fandom into two warring factions: the Rebellion, and the normal people with a sense of perspective who don’t need a term from the Star Wars lexicon to define them. The Rebellion is populated by the joyless, cynical ubertrolls who, sadly, take up the most space on the Internet. These are the hollow men and women who marched into the prequels demanding that Lucas recapture their lost Star Wars youth for them – that simple time in their lives when they had the excuse of prepubescence to explain why they were still virgins. With that much investment in make-believe, its little wonder they emerged as more twisted by the dark side than young Skywalker himself. The rest of us who grew in the sixteen years between Jedi and Phantom Menace view the new trilogy for what it is: three movies, not three impossible-to-fulfill expectations of folks who need a bearded billionaire in flannel to dream for them.”

- Kevin Smith, Rolling Stone Magazine Interview, June 2nd, 2005

this guy is a Lucas worshipping moron. I am getting sick and tired of reading this kind of nonsense.


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#113941
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The chosen one
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113941/action/topic#113941
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
your a bunch of crap.


That was uncalled for. He attacked the considered changes, not you. He has the right to think more changes to the OT will be crap. I predict this as well. I wish Lucas would just leave the OT alone. I ask again why change the OT to fit the PT instead of making the PT so it fit with the OT in the first place?
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#113940
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what would you do if george reshot the OT with new actors & CGI so it flowed with the PT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113940/action/topic#113940
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do the fans own the trilogy? legally, technically no. But morally and emotionally? yes they do. And yes Spiderman belongs to the fans as much as he belongs to Marvel. Point is, the owners of these franchises make money off of the fans who devote their heart and soul to them, the owners should respect that. Lucas doesn't. You keep talking about this from a business point of view. This is more than just a business to the fans.
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#113914
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what would you do if george reshot the OT with new actors & CGI so it flowed with the PT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113914/action/topic#113914
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
whos stroy is it then. i bet your going to say its your story the fans story. WELL WHERE WERE THE FANS WHEN LUCAS AND HIS CO-WRITERS WROTE THE THING. were you looking over there shoulder telling them that this is good and that is bad. you own nothing man not the trilogy and not the story.


you're right we didn't help write thing. But we did pay tickets to see the movies. All the millions of $s that are now in Lucases pockets, started out in our pockets. Yeah we didn't write the thing but we did foot the bill and then some. If there are no movie fans, then there are no movies. I think that gives us the right to criticize the work. Technically it all belongs to Lucas and he can do whatever wants to it. But, does that make it morally right for him to do whatever he wants and ignore the fans and treat them like s***? no.

If Lucas decided that the whole saga would look better if there was a big red X accoss the entire screen on every frame of all 6 films, would you be ok with him doing it? I doubt it .

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#113895
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The chosen one
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113895/action/topic#113895
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Here is another question: Does the Star Wars saga really need idea of a "Chosen One" or a Prophecy? Do you thinks its better with it or with out it?


i thought it added more depth to the story. maybe it made the characters a little more fleshed out but the story was deeper.


why doesn't that suprise me? *sigh*


to me , while technically its not continuity problem, I just find it highly improbably that noone, not Vader, not Obiwan, not Palp, not Yoda, no one in the OT uses the words "Chosen One" or "Prophecy". It just bothers me when in Lucas invents stuff that wasn't there to begin with. The character of Quigon is another example.
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#113892
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Things you DID NOT like about Episode III
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113892/action/topic#113892
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Originally posted by: Shimraa


yes yes i see the parallel but jimbo did have some points, and he was funny as hell. also he was a minority in the site interms of PT fans. Kam doesnt fill any of these requirements.


So, its ok to behave like a troll as long as your views are the same as Shims? I don't think so. This isn't about his opinion, this is about who he says his opinion.
What does being in the minority have to do with anything?
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#113610
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Things you DID NOT like about Episode III
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113610/action/topic#113610
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Originally posted by: Kam


Then you are a whore for overwhelming CGI and bad acting and are not a true SW fan.


Kam, I sypathize with some of your views. I Lucas, EPI, EPII, and the SE. Just because some one likes these things does not mean that they are not Star Wars fans. Certainly does not make them whore. You have to calm down. Try to find a way to express you views in a less insulting manner. And although there is alot I hate in the PT, it is not all bs. EPIII while not as good as the OOT movies is certainly not bs.

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Originally posted by: Shimraa
you not helping anything with your half assed posts. you not furthering an discussion, and just wasting time.


Shim, who does this remind us of? *cough* J____ *cough*