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Post
#122698
Topic
The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122698/action/topic#122698
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
athesist dont care thou warbler, for the most part if there is a prayer they will just stand there and think to themselves or something.

Then how come they constantly sue over it?

Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab

Exactly. Nobody is FORCING the an athiest to pray. If one doesn't want to pray, he/she can just standthere until it's over.

No, but they are forced to admit that they are an Athiest.
Originally posted by: JediSage

"To an unknown God..." please help our team win this game

How's that?

But he's not an unknown God to Christians, Muslims, Jews etc.... And he is certain not an unknown God to Athiest, he is a God that doesn't exist(to athiest) Also there are religions that have multiple Gods. Of these religions are few in number a very in the U.S.A. would practice such a religion. But low numbers doesn't mean they don't have the same right to their beliefs as the larger religions.

Originally posted by: JediSage

Again, taking the "establishment" clause and reading it as it is written, not "interpreted", the school(s) in question are NOT congress acting to establish a religion. No agency or person has the right to say that they may not pray before the game. How do we go from "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion" to "Schools, government employees, Boy Scouts, the military...etc cannot pray or read the bible, or hand out tracts, or wear religious jewelry...."?

Have you never heard of the concept of seperation of Church and State?

Originally posted by: Starboy
Allowing Christians to pray before they play in a game will naturally make some people feel denounced and excluded. Putting a Christians into a science class teaching evolution will make them feel denounced and excluded. It is a consequence of freedom, it's something we all have to deal with.


*sigh* Of course Christians can pray at a school football game. I go to all of my hightschool's footballs and everytime before the game begins I say a silence prayer asking God to protect the players on both sides from being injured. But there a big difference between Christians indepently having a prayer(silently or in groups) and having an officially led prayer(one done over the loud speaker system and made part of the game like the playing of the National Athem) .

Originally posted by: Starboy

Now, for the Christian to force Jesus (a la the Inquisition) or for the doctor to force antibiotics down your throat IS oppressive. It isn't the doctor's decision whether or not you want to get better. He's just there to give his best judgment of the situation and use his knowledge to help you if you want it. I realize that a doctor is more trusted than a Christian today, but for a Christian who believes the bible, he acts from the same perspective as the doctor. It's just not heard from the same perspective.



I think there a difference, the Christian is acting on the beliefs of his faith. The doctor is acting on knowledge obtained via the scientific method. Of course, that doesn't give a doctor the right to force antibiotics down your throat.


Originally posted by: Starboy
ust because someone is praying on your campus or a teacher said Christianity is wrong doesn't mean your rights are being threatened.


It depends is the the prayer a simple indepentent prayer or is this prayer an offically sactioned school event? As for the the teacher saying Christianity is wrong, is the teacher
doing so as a teacher or as a person? A teacher as a person has the right to express their opinion, but a teacher doesn't and shouldn't have the right use/abuse their position to preach their believes.

Originally posted by: JediSage


A fine is a punishment for something for which you've been arrested. If I get a speeding ticket, I've been arrested for speeding. It doesn't matter how miniscule the crime or punishment is.


if you get a speeding ticket, you do not get arrested. Trust me I've gotten one and the cop did not put cuffs on me and did not haul me off to jail.

Post
#122715
Topic
connecting the OT to the prequels (parody)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122715/action/topic#122715
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LOL! great work jawaewokgungan! great work

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Originally posted by: JennyS1138

A filmmaker named George Lucas, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped 20th century fox hunt down and destroy the original original trilogy. He betrayed and murdered the movies. Now the original prints are all but extinct. Lucas was seduced by cgi.


LMFAO!!!!




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#122470
Topic
The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122470/action/topic#122470
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Originally posted by: JediSage

No argument. But this is far from your original comment. You originally said you cannot have freedom of religion without freedom from religion, which on the surface implies that all semblances of religion in public must be eliminated. Not quite the same as saying that one should have the right to choose none at all.


Freedom from religion simples means that one is not forces to choose to practice a relgion. And it means that the government must be free of religion. This is different from saying that all semblance of relgion in public must be eliminated.


Originally posted by: JediSage


Again no argument, however, the "Supreme" Court has ruled that saying a religion neutral prayer before a football game on school grounds is unconstitutional, somehow construing this to mean that the person saying it is really congress and that this act constituted establishment of a nation-wide religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...". A student body is NOT congress.


Just how in the world can you have a religion neutral prayer? Any prayer is not neutral to an Athiest. While a student body is not congress, if a prayer done as part of an offically sanctioned event at a school fuction, it the equivalent of the government supporting a specific religion over others or religion in general over nonreligion.




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#122326
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War of the Worlds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122326/action/topic#122326
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Perhpas they were burired real deep and we just overlooked them...


That wasn't the plot hole I was referring too,. Reread this comment from Klingon Jedi:

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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi

How'd we never notice the buried tripods? Why didn't the aliens know of are diseases. Why bury tripods at all? Whats the point with having machines laying in wait for millenia.Was there something stopping them from beginning until we had developed weapons? We the dinosuars too unappealing to conquear?


now that I have seen the film, I totally agree with this complaint.