Warbler

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

Yeah, the “we need armed security guards” argument has been coming up since Columbine. Except Columbine had armed security guards. So did Parkland. Schools are sprawling, public-access facilities. Effectively locking them down against armed attackers would require redesigning the entire facility to operate more like a prison.

And they won’t even fix a leaking roof, so even that unattractive option is unrealistic.

I don’t think it would require redesigning the schools. Just have armed police officers man various positions throughout the school building. Look any attempt to ban guns is getting stopped over and over again by the NRA and conservatives. Having armed police in schools is something that might pass. I don’t see the NRA or conservatives objecting to it. It is not the optimal solution, but maybe one that can pass. Maybe one that can save lives.

Even assuming you manage to avoid incidents like this

obviously, we would need to have officers especially trained to serve in schools. Also I would want extreme background and all other kinds of checks.

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

Yeah, the “we need armed security guards” argument has been coming up since Columbine. Except Columbine had armed security guards. So did Parkland. Schools are sprawling, public-access facilities. Effectively locking them down against armed attackers would require redesigning the entire facility to operate more like a prison.

And they won’t even fix a leaking roof, so even that unattractive option is unrealistic.

I don’t think it would require redesigning the schools. Just have armed police officers man various positions throughout the school building. Look any attempt to ban guns is getting stopped over and over again by the NRA and conservatives. Having armed police in schools is something that might pass. I don’t see the NRA or conservatives objecting to it. It is not the optimal solution, but maybe one that can pass. Maybe one that can save lives.

Even assuming you manage to avoid incidents like this, you’re talking probably 8 FTE’s per school to adequately cover all the positions in a school, let’s say 100,000 public schools in the nation (are we only talking public? and what about daycares and colleges?), so maybe in the neighborhood of 800,000 FTE’s, each FTE costing maybe an average of 50K. That’s 40 billion dollars for the base model.

it is a lot of money, but if it prevents what happened yesterday . . .

I can see lots of people objecting.

no as many as are objecting to getting rid of the guns.

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

considering the size of the campus, normal noise levels, communication, etc.

um, gun fire (unless you are using a silencer and I haven’t heard the nut was) is very, VERY LOUD. It would easily rise above normal noise level. I realize kids are loud, but kids being kids is not the same sound as gunfire and screaming.

No, but it does prevent you from hearing reports over the walkie-talkie WHERE the echoing gunfire is actually coming from.

I am talking about having enough police so that at least one would heard the gunfire with his own two ears, not through a walkie-talkie. Even with echos, I don’t think it would take too long for trained police officers that are sufficiently spread throughout the school(in sufficient numbers for the size school) to find where the repeated gunfire and screams are coming from.

ChainsawAsh said:

So let’s turn schools into fucking prisons instead of addressing the real problem.

Jesus fucking Christ.

If the other side refuses to address the real problem(and I think you agree the Conservatives/Republicans/NRA won’t do that and will block any effort from the left to do that), maybe turning schools in prisons is the only thing left. But I don’t know that have enough armed police officers roaming the hallways equals turning the schools into prisons. It is not like we’d be adding jail cells to schools.

CatBus said:

considering the size of the campus, normal noise levels, communication, etc.

um, gun fire (unless you are using a silencer and I haven’t heard the nut was) is very, VERY LOUD. It would easily rise above normal noise level. I realize kids are loud, but kids being kids is not the same sound as gunfire and screaming.

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

if the school in Florida had armed police officers already in the building, I’d like to know what the heck they were doing while the nut was shooting about 31 people(I have heard 17 dead and 14 hurt, which equals 31 shot).

Compare a sixty-second response time vs. how many times you can fire an AR-15 in sixty seconds. And I’m not saying the guard responded in sixty seconds, which would have been phenomenally fast, considering the size of the campus, normal noise levels, communication, etc.

What I am saying is that maybe the school needs enough police officers that the right places in the school so that responses to gun fire can be much fast than sixty seconds. Also does anyone know just how long the shooting when on for? I am willing to bet it took longer than minute for this nut to do all he did.

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

Yeah, the “we need armed security guards” argument has been coming up since Columbine. Except Columbine had armed security guards. So did Parkland. Schools are sprawling, public-access facilities. Effectively locking them down against armed attackers would require redesigning the entire facility to operate more like a prison.

And they won’t even fix a leaking roof, so even that unattractive option is unrealistic.

I don’t think it would require redesigning the schools. Just have armed police officers man various positions throughout the school building. Look any attempt to ban guns is getting stopped over and over again by the NRA and conservatives. Having armed police in schools is something that might pass. I don’t see the NRA or conservatives objecting to it. It is not the optimal solution, but maybe one that can pass. Maybe one that can save lives.

Also do all schools have police officers? Do all schools have armed police officers? Do all schools have enough armed police officers for the size of the school?

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

if the school in Florida had armed police officers already in the building, I’d like to know what the heck they were doing while the nut was shooting about 31 people(I have heard 17 dead and 14 hurt, which equals 31 shot).

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Dek Rollins said:

I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

obviously not enough since someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues could legally buy guns.

I’d like to know how the hell someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues was allowed to legally buy guns.

I know how you feel. I’ve never had a Valentine. 😦

Just saw on tv a Chinese Figure skating couple skating to Star Wars music 😃

I hope you weren’t going to try to argue the such jury is a fair jury for this kind of trial.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

My last serious game of chess was in 1994… I was playing a tournament and looked out the window and it was a beautiful day, I asked myself what I was doing sitting there moving pieces around on such a nice sunny day (literally true). My last rating was 2074, my highest was 2137 (if I remember right). I’d be lucky to break 1700 today - I can’t even remember the openings I used to play. It’s a whole new world now with the databases and the computers - I’ve never used any of them.

That said, I’d be willing to try a game with whomever. It would have to wait until the weekend as my workdays are killer right now.

Then please come to the OTCF©®™ thread to discuss this with Darth Ender

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/OTcom-Chess-FederationcrtmOTCFcrtmwas-How-about-a-game-of-chess/id/16146/page/35

I’ve decided to organize and hereby forthwith do declare the founding of:

The OT.com Chess Federation©®™(OTCF©®™)

I declare myself its first commissioner and of course recognize Darth Ender as OT.com chess champion.

The game between Darth Ender and Puggo shall go on as before.

darth_ender said:

You’d probably wait at least two more years if I put it off.

No, I wouldn’t wait that long.

Still waiting to hear from Puggo.

I am willing to wait a bit until you are not so busy if you want. But not too long.

yeah, I know.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I can see where this is headed and I’m giving up now to save myself the time and aggravation.

TV’s Frink said:

Anyway I’m done like I said.

ah, the Frink gambit.

Or I could spend several pages and days arguing with you guys. That always goes well.

or we could spend several days discussing it intelligently without wisecracks and insults and actually listen to each other and learn something, but heaven forbid we do that.

My local news has said there are 17 dead in the shooting : (

My God, here we go again.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates-shooting-high-school-parkland-fla-multiple-injuries-reported-200936418.html

I have contacted Darth Ender and Puggo.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

As for chess, I was an expert-level tournament player for many years

Puggo, I hereby do forthwith invite to the chess thread to challenge Darth Ender for his title of ot.com chess champion.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/How-about-a-game-of-chess/id/16146