Warbler

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O(king side castle)

vote_for_palpatine, could you please explain why you prefer Bonds over Rose?  I don't understand that.   Bonds could have affected the outcome games just as you say Rose could have.  How is what Bonds did any better than what Rose may have done?  

If you want to keep them all out of the hall ok.   But the fact is Pete Rose was given a lifetime ban from the game and the juicers weren't and probably won't be.  How can that possibly be fair? 

that certainly doesn't seem unreasonable, as long as Polanski is returned to the states for the investigation and it is kept in mind that he did plead guilty to the crime in question.

I don't think its that bad of an assumption to make that a Conservative might like Fox News and the likes of Glen Beck and O'reilly.   Remember I did use the word "seems" ,  I left doubt.   But if you don't like Fox News, that's ok.   I'm curious, where do you get your news from?

and no, there is no prerequisite to watching Star Wars once a day.   It just seems a little strange that a big Star Wars fan would rarely watch movies.

I realize reasonable doubt is only a legal standard,  I was referring it to it because we are just assuming Pete Rose changed how he managed his based upon whether or not he had a bet on the game.   Should we really ban him for life without solid evidence?   As for the steroid apologists,  its scientifically clear that taken them with make your stronger and therefor improve your athletic performance.   I think it is also clear beyond a reasonable doubt Bonds and McGwire took steroids.   McGwire admitted it.  As for Bonds, all you have to do is take a look at pictures from when he began his career to when he was breaking records.  Its pretty clear was on the juice.  As for breaking baseballs most serious rule,  shouldn't rules against cheating by taking drugs be just as serious?    

I agree with what you say about the use of Rivera in your scenario,  maybe Rose did this sort of thing,  but maybe he didn't.   How can you tell for certain that Rose did that kind of thing?  

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.   

well, isn't being banned for breaking the rule against gambling the same as being banned for gambling?  

If you can prove for certain that  Rose's betting effected the way he managed his team,  then I would say the lifetime ban should stick.   But I don't think we can prove it for certain, we can only suspect it.  Whatever happened to reasonable doubt?

You ask about player x beating his wife or player y's racism effecting the outcome of a game,  what about the juicers?   Surely it can be argued that they effected the outcomes of games?    I'd say the results of any game, where the runs that Bonds or McGwire scored  effect the outcome, is in question.   They have tainted the most significant records in baseball and are not given a lifetime ban and Rose is.   How is that fair?  

very well, I'd the same.

1. E7-E5.

2. B8-C6.

yeah, I'll settle for Polanski being jail for a long, long time.

I'll play you.

E7-E5.

you rarely watch movies and yet you are on Star Wars forum?    What about Fox News?  That seems like something you'd enjoy.

I'm not sure that you can prove that gambling effected Rose's managing of games.    It is pretty certain that Bond's taking of steroids effected his playing of the game.    Yeah, maybe players on Bond's team wouldn't be bothered by his use of steroids(unless these are players competing for Bond's job).  But what about players on opposing teams?  What about pitchers who weren't on the juice who had to pitch to Bonds?  What about the relatives of Babe Ruth, Roger Maris, Hank Aaron, and Aaron himself.   This guys that took steroids f___ed with the integrity of the game and it's record books.    What about kids who've said "Barry Bonds is taking steroids, they all are.  Why not me?" and took steroids? All we can prove about Rose is that he placed bets on games.   We can't prove he effected the outcome of games to win them.   There is no prove he bet against his team.   

We can allow greed selfish people in the HOF.  We can allow racists in.   We can allow people in who cooperated in closing down baseball for an entire season just to get more money.  We allow racists, wife beaters, and dog torturers to play in professionals sports.  We allow drunks in to the HOF and we allow cheaters in.  We can allow all sort of bad people in the HOF,  but we can't allow a gambler in even though he may be the best player to ever play the game.   Gambling is something millions of people do each day.   I honestly feel like Rose is being punished for a crime another group of people commited: the blacksoxs.    If the blacksox scandal had never happened, I think Rose would be in the HOF right now and the blacksox scandal is not his fault. 

Another thing that bugs me about this that no one ever talks about is how different this whole Rose thing would be if Rose had been African American.    Can you imagine the reaction of the African American community if an African American baseball player as good as Rose was given lifetime  ban from the game and McGwire wasn't?  They'd be outraged and they'd protest and there is no way Rose's ban would still be in place today.

C3PX said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

 Ferrell used to be funny.

Really? I must have missed that part of his career.

since when did he form that rock group?

vote_for_palpatine said:

Meanwhile Pete Rose whose only crime was gambling, can't get into the hall of fame.

Warbler, do you want to talk about this in the baseball thread? Because I believe Rose should be kept out - he committed the Cardinal Sin in baseball. Gambling turns whatever sport it infects into professional wrestling without all the entertaining sideshows.

I'm willing to debate the subject.   I suggest posting your arguments here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/OFFICIAL-MLB-THREAD/topic/7821/page/4/ 

I'm shocked, shocked to find that there is gambling going on here.

I would if I had any real life friends : (

http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment/20100122/EU.France.Polanski_s.Wife/

I know this is a dead topic, but I had to comment on Mrs. Polanski's comments.  Now, I was only a very young child in the 70's(born in 1974), so I so really have no idea how people felt about sexual issues,  but I have extremely difficult time believing that people in the 70's felt is was socially acceptable for a  grown man to have sex with an unwilling 13 year old girl.   If if that were true,  isn't that akin to someone defending the actions of the slave masters?   Couldn't someone argue that it was socially acceptable to treat black people like animals?   Yet, that doesn't really justify slavery, does it? 

I also take issue with her statement that him pleading guilty means he didn't feel like he was above the law.   If he didn't feel he was above the law, how come he left he country?  That is not the act of someone who doesn't feel he is above the law. 

FanFiltration said:

Any other Yamato / Star Blazers fans here?

 

oh yes, there are.  ;)     

We're off to outer space!
we're leaving Mother Earth!
to save the human race!
Our Star Blazers!
Searching for a distant star!
heading off to Iscandar!
leaving all we love behind!
who knows what dangers we'll find!
We must be strong and brave!
Our home we've got to save!
and if we don't in just one year,
Mother Earth will disappear!
Fighting with the Gamilons,
we won't stop until we've won!
Then we'll return and when we arrive,
the Earth will survive with
Our Star Blazers! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=8N8CD7gN2MA

I must see both of this movies!  

But I do have one question.   Is the ship in the new movie a new one?  I thought the Yamato got destroyed in Final Yamato?

skyjedi2005 said:

Wait a minute the dudes that pointed out star trek 2009 was a ripoff of star wars.  Those guys are geniuses.Lol.

it was?  it certainly didn't seem that way to me. 

how much do you want to bet he'll turn the Star Wars movies into 3D, say that this is how he originally intended to do them, and refuse to release them in their original 2D form ever again. 

Were Conan's rating really bad enough that NBC would have gotten rid of him by now if it weren't for what happened with Leno's show at 10?

I've never even heard of Jeeves and Wooster or Fry & Laurie.   I'll have to look them up.

drama with funny moments.  It stars an actor by the name of Leo McKern.   He's very good. 

anyone here every watch a British TV show by the name of Rumpole of The Bailey?   Its about British lawyers or they refer them - Barristers.    I just started watching it on DVD.   Its quite good.