Warbler

I think we are waiting for someone else to play Vote_For_Palpatine.

Happy Birthday xhonzi!  

you know, I just had an idea.    I wonder if 3D instant replays might be able to help in officiating sporting events?

Good game, vote_for_palpatine.  I probably should have resigned earlier, probably should have done it when you took my queen.   But, I just wanted to make should that they was no way out and no chance for a some sort draw.   I bow to the superior player.    I'll give others a chance to play you.  If no one else volunteers, then I consider playing you again.   Everyone be warned,  Vote_for_palpatine is good, very good.  Another warning:  don't make the mistake I made of bringing my queen out too early.  

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

24. F7-D6  E7-D5.

25. D6-C8  C7-C6.

26. C8-A7  D7-A7.

27. E3-B6  A7-D7.

28. B6-B6  E8-D8.

29. C4-D5  G8-F8.

30. F3-H3  G7-G6.

31. H3-H5  G6-H5.

32. C6-F6  F8-E8.

33. D5-C6  D8-C8.

34. F6-E6  E8-F8.

35. C6-D7  C8-A8.

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

24. F7-D6  E7-D5.

25. D6-C8  C7-C6.

26. C8-A7  D7-A7.

27. E3-B6  A7-D7.

28. B6-B6  E8-D8.

29. C4-D5  G8-F8.

30. F3-H3  G7-G6.

31. H3-H5  G6-H5.

32. C6-F6  F8-E8.

33. D5-C6  D8-C8.

34. F6-E6  E8-F8.

yeah, I'll agree it does seem pretty pointless.  I still have to check it out.  I still seem to remember in the original, it doesn't showing them going outside, it just showed them coming back inside,  the fire wagon scene at least explained how they got outside.  But, again,  I have to take a look at the original to confirm.

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

24. F7-D6  E7-D5.

25. D6-C8  C7-C6.

26. C8-A7  D7-A7.

27. E3-B6  A7-D7.

28. B6-B6  E8-D8.

29. C4-D5  G8-F8.

30. F3-H3  G7-G6.

31. H3-H5  G6-H5.

32. C6-F6  F8-E8.

33. D5-C6  D8-C8.

hmm,  I'll have to re-watch the fire wagon scene and compare it to the original.  I actually didn't notice.   All the more reason to have the theatrical cut released.   This is why I say release both versions.   You(and probably others) prefer the original.    I kinda prefer the director's cut(even though I still have the original released),  its the one that is closest to the Broadway musical.  The solution?  make both of us happy by releasing both versions.

As for you widescreen thing, yeah it can get a bit annoying to see others botch it by messing up the settings on their TVs or having the picture ratio improperly broadcast.  Still, when I watch a widescreen movie on my new HD TV(with everything set properly),  it is a big improvement over watching a Widescreen movie on a standard tv.  A Big improvement. 

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

24. F7-D6  E7-D5.

25. D6-C8  C7-C6.

26. C8-A7  D7-A7.

27. E3-B6  A7-D7.

28. B6-B6  E8-D8.

29. C4-D5  G8-F8.

30. F3-H3  G7-G6.

31. H3-H5  G6-H5.

32. C6-F6  F8-E8.

doubleofive said:

Not on topic completely, but Gaff will understand:

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/aspect-ratios-a-primer/

The rant I mentioned a post ago has become a reality!

I totally agree with everything you said in your rant.    I remember one time a local tv station was show some three stooges shorts.   As you know, they are all 4:3.    They stretched the image on their HD channel.  But it gets even worse.   We still have some standard TVs in the house.   I turned on the standard version of that station.  Guess what they did? They showed the image they were showing their HD channel but the sides cut off!  That's right,  they took a 4:3 image,  stretched it to 16:9 proportions, and cut the sides off to make it 4:3 again.  That, is the definition of insanity. 

here's how I look at it.   I always want to have the original version of something.   With Star Wars, the original version was the movie  as made and released back in 1977.   With 1776,  the original version was not the movie as made in 1972, but was the original Broadway Musical.  So I don't have a big problem changing the movie to make it closer to the Broadway version.  Also, unlike Lucas with Star Wars,  I have little reason to doubt that the director's cut is how he wanted the picture released in 1972.   I do not believe it is a case of the director changing his mind and then altering his movie and giving us an excuse(as Lucas did).    Another thing to keep in mind,  the "new" scenes weren't really new.  They were filmed back in 1972,  no cgi was added.  I don't believe any editing of them as was done to them other than what was done back in 1972.   With the exception of the deleted scoring,  no other changes were made other than adding new scenes.   You can fast forward past the added scenes and you'll practically be watching the exact same movie as released in 1972(with the exception of the deleted scoring).  You can't do that with the SE.  For those reasons, I don't have as big a problem with the alteration of 1776 as I do with the alteration of the Star Wars Trilogy.  I do agree, however, that both versions should be released and I hope they do so when it comes to blu-ray.   I guess I another reason the director's cut didn't upset me so much was the fact that I was just happy the be able to finally watch it in widescreen instead of pan and scam.    I can't really say the Vhs version the original theatrical version,   the original theatrical version was not in pan in scam.  

Still the Vhs tape was alot better than the version of the movie I had when I first started watching 1776 every 4th of July.  I started watching way before the prerecorde Vhs tapes were a fad.   The only thing I had was a tape of it my father had recorded of it off of channel 29.   It commercials and scenes were cut and language was censored.   When the Vhs tape was released, my parents it was too expensive and couldn't get.  This was back when precorded Vhs tapes were expensive.  I believe back then 1776 cost over $50.00.     We really didn't have alot of money, and we all knew the price was bound to come down at some point, so I really couldn't blame my parents for not wanting to spend that kind money for 1 movie.  I can remember year after year of looking at new movies unlimited catalogs to see of the price had finally dropped.   Eventually,  I rented it and we dubbed it.    Picture and audio quality weren't that great but at least it was complete and uncensored and without commercials.  One weird thing about the vhs tape that I rented was that on the back of it's box,   it had a picture of some of the founding fathers dancing in front of Independence Hall.   In the version of the movie I had watched at time,  there was no scene of the founding fathers dancing in front of Independence Hall.   Because I had the CD of the music for the original Broadway show,  I knew of the missing "Cool Consider Men" number.   But, at that time, I had no idea it was filmed or why it was cut.    When I saw the picture on the back of the box,  I wondered if it was from "Cool Considerate Men".   Had they actually made the scene and cut it?    Was the scene actually in the Vhs version I had rented?   Unfortunately, it was.   Why they put a scene on the back of the Vhs box that wasn't on the tape, I'll never understand.  But, it kept me wondering for years, where that picture of the founding fathering dancing came from.   Finally the price came down and I was able to get the tape.    But of course, the tape did not contain "Cool Considerate Men" and the mystery remained.   It was not until July 4th, 2004.   That the answer came.   That was when I got, as an early birthday present(my birthday is on July 10th), the DVD version of the movie.    Until that point, I had no idea "Cool Considerate Men" was back in or that it even existed.   I course, watched the movie that night and, to my surprise,  "Cool Considerate Men" was  there and my mystery was solved.   The picture on the back of the old VHS tape was indeed from "Cool Considerate Men".    It may seem strange to you, but finally having that scene to me was like finding the holy grail. 

I only wish they could do the same kind of thing for my Dad's favorite musical, Guys and Dolls.   Hollywood really butchered that musical.   Five songs are cut from the movie.  "A Bushel And A Peck",  "I've Never Been In Love Before",  "My Time Of Night",  "More I Can Not Wish You",  and worst of all because contains very important plot points "Marry The Man Today".  I have to believe that some of those numbers were filmed.   I like to get of a hold of the people that made that movie and strangle them for what they did to "Guys And Dolls".     Hollywood should be arrested for the travesties they've committed to Broadway Musicals.  

sorry for the giant run-on post.        

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

24. F7-D6  E7-D5.

25. D6-C8  C7-C6.

26. C8-A7  D7-A7.

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

24. F7-D6  E7-D5.

25. D6-C8  C7-C6.

I however have to take issue with a couple of the things you side.   I believe "Cool Considerate Men" should be in, and should never have been cut.   Think out it,  in a movie about American freedom, we are going to cut a song because the President doesn't like it???  Also another thing to remember the song was part of the original Broadway Musical.   When a Broadway Music or play is made into a movie, I think the movie should be as close to the stage version as possible.   One of the things I love about this movie is the use of so much of the cast from Broadway version.    That said,  I wish they would have released both the director's cut, and the original theatrical release on the DVD.   I didn't like that they cut some of the musical cues.    In the theatrical cut, there are times when the music plays while people are talking for dramatical purposes.  They were removed in the director's cut and there is just silence now and someone like me who had watched the original for so many years it is very noticeable and feels like something is missing.   But I am glad to finally be able to see it in widescreen.  It makes a big difference in the numbers like "The Egg" and "Molasses to Rum To Slaves" .   

You questioned why the number with Martha Jefferson.  I betting why she added was to give another role for a female in the Musical.   If you take her out, the only female in the whole thing is Mrs. Adams.

If this ever comes to Blu-ray,  I hope they release the theatrical cut, directors cut, and I believe when it was released to laser disc there was another cut with even more scenes added,  I'd like to see that version on the blu-ray as well.   I think they added in a longer version of "Piddle, Twiddle and Resolve." which adds back in lines cut from the original Broadway Musical "   Unfortunately, that will probably never happen.  They will probably just release the director's cut.

btw, you also forgot to mention that William Daniels was in St. Elsewhere, no  offense.     

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

24. F7-D6  E7-D5.

two thumbs up, Gaffer!!!!   Thankyou for reviewing one of my favorite and often overlooked movies. 

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

23. E5-F7  D8-D7.

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.

22. F1-F3  F8-E8.

1. E2-E4  E7-E5.

2. G1-F3  B8-C6.

3. F1-B5  F8-C5.  

4. C2-C3  G8-F6.

5. D2-D3  O-O.

6. O-O  D7-D6.

7. C1-E3  C8-G4.

8. E3-C5  D6-C5.

9. B1-D2  D8-D6.

10. D1-C2  F6-H5.

11. D2-C4  D6-D7.

12. F3-E5  D7-E6.

13. E5-G4  E6-G4.

14. C4-E3  G4-E6.

15. F2-F4  E6-H6.

16. C2-F2  C6-E7.

17. E3-G4  H6-G6.

18. G4-E5  G6-E6.

19. F2-C5  B7-B6.

20. C5-E3  A8-D8.

21. B5-C4  E6-C8.