Warbler

hmmmm . . .

hello Pkmatrix,  welcome to the forum :)

yeah no charity would touch him.

vote_for_palpatine said:

You know, Warb, if you're going to get angry with the nonsense, I'd like my due credit as being the guy who brought you Dr. Frasier Crane.

I'm disappointed, really. Here I get silly and you don't even acknowledge it!

sorry.

lol! 

vote_for_palpatine said:

something you have to go against what is popular and do what is right.  Remember, sometimes the majority is for the pretty bad things.  like slavery for example.

Ah yes, the slavery card. The majority must always be ignored and is always wrong because some people once owned slaves.

nope,  just some of the time.

vote_for_palpatine said:

To equate a health care system in need of some fine-tuning with human bondage is asinine, appalling, and offensive. Because what you do when you make that comparison is compare people who do not want to allow ever greater government encroachment into our lives to motherfucking slave owners. I'm tired of that rhetoric. Let it stop now.

sorry. I did not mean to equate slavery with those that are against the health plan.   I know its not the same thing.  I just meant to say that sometimes the majority is wrong.

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

see what I mean VFP?   So Ferris, Xhonzi's plan would therefore be unconstitutional right?

Yep! But, we've been successfully ignoring select parts of the Constitution for over 150 years! You yourself seem to hate the thing.

I don't hate it,  I just interpret it differently than you and think a couple aspects of it could be amended.   

you said 150 years hmm . . . 2010-150=1860.   So we refer the right of states to leave the union.   Funny, that right is never mentioned in Constitution.  

maybe cause what most Americans want isn't  always what is best.  I'll refer something I posted in the political thread.

Warbler said:

There are some lines from the movie 1776 that I think could help.   Dr. Lyman Hall, the delegate from Georgia to the 2nd Continental Congress.   He was having difficulty deciding how to vote on the question of independence from Britain.   He was for independence, but the people of Georgia were against it(I have no idea if that was really so but that was the way it was in the movie).    He used a quote that he said came from Edmund Burke(a member of the British Parliament) to help make his decision  "that a representative owes the People not only his industry, but his judgment, and he betrays them if he sacrifices it to their opinion"   Dr. Hall decided to vote for independence.   Again, I have no idea if there was an Edmund Burke in Parliament or if he said that quote or if the real Dr. Hall actually used that quote to help him make his decision. 

something you have to go against what is popular and do what is right.  Remember, sometimes the majority is for the pretty bad things.  like slavery for example.

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

Jeez Warb, why don't you distort the reality a little bit?

I'm not distorting reality.  Just go in the political thread and read someone of Ferris's posts when he is making reference to the 10th Amendment.

True!

see what I mean VFP?   So Ferris, Xhonzi's plan would therefore be unconstitutional right?

according to Ferris, most Americans don't want.    The Conservatives won't choose to fund it.    That's why I think you would get enough money. 

ok.

vote_for_palpatine said:

If those we elect do not represent our wishes, we can chose not to elect them in the first place

How do we know this is going to happen? If they're telling us all the right things beforehand, we'd have no reason to think they wouldn't represent us.

its called research.  you should do it before voting.   I don't believe it was top secret info before the 2008 and 2009 November elections that Obama and the dems wanted to pass a healthcare bill.   Please remember that you still have the option of not reelecting them. 

vote_for_palpatine said:

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

Jeez Warb, why don't you distort the reality a little bit?

I'm not distorting reality.  Just go in the political thread and read someone of Ferris's posts when he is making reference to the 10th Amendment.

*sigh*  could Frink, Ric Olie, and ABC please stop this nonsense?

we are not powerless.   If those we elect do not represent our wishes, we can chose not to elect them in the first place,  and we can chose not to reelect them the next time.

as for xhonzi plan:

1.  I'm not sure you'd get enough money.

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

but I do like xhonzi's plan.   Perhaps we could fund it instead with a National lottery?  People love playing the lottery and they'd still have a choice.   They could chose not to play the lottery.

all I can say is that you can try to convert me, but I doubt you'd succeed.   But I wouldn't react like that guy unless you were really disrespectful/insulting or something like that.  As for the converting thing,  one thing you have to keep in mind.   Some people believe it their duty to try to convert others.  I mind it as long as it is done politely and without any kind of force.   But there is a time to quit trying and back down. 

yeah,  I originally thought I was good for Friday Night, but now I'm not due to circumstances beyond my control.   Sorry about that.  Saturday Night, I think I can do.

I'm sorry, but I will be unavailable Friday night.

TheBoost said:

Warbler said:

TheBoost said:

Is the only path to respect and coexistance to ignore the giant Godlike elephant in the room?

well what you have us do?   Be rude to each other?  Hate each other?   War with each other?   Force the others to believe what you believe and kill those that refuse?   well?

 I dunno. I know nothing. I'm just trying to hash out terms.

I can respect another culture. Perhaps your people wear beards, or have a matrilineal socienty in contrast to my patrilineal society. Perhaps you're people like bizarre music or food, or paint donkeys to look like zebras. I can respect those differences without thinking they are necessarily negative, even while my own culture is very different.

But religion? Fundamental belief in the nature of the universe? Can we politely respect eachothers differences in that? I dunno, it seems much more difficult. Or is the only way to deal with it to afree to not talk about it?

its difficult, but doable.     Look at the political thread.    Ferris and I disagree on alot.    We argue, but we do it respectfully.   

Davnes007 said:

'Religion' is a synonym for 'cult'

we are going to have to disagree there. 

TheBoost said:

Is the only path to respect and coexistance to ignore the giant Godlike elephant in the room?

well what you have us do?   Be rude to each other?  Hate each other?   War with each other?   Force the others to believe what you believe and kill those that refuse?   well?

doubleofive said:

As a wise professor of mine once told us, "The question shouldn't be 'what happens to those who haven't heard?'; it should be 'why haven't you told them?'."

just how do you tell an aborted fetus or a kid that dies before he/she can speack about Jesus? 

Gaffer Tape said:

ONE I WANT TO NOT BE OF A GETTING ANY TWO MY ENJOYMENT OF THE STAR WARS IF DIMINISHING BECAUSE MY DAD IS A HOMO I MEAN NOT A HOMO!!!

wait a minute.  this post is in capts.  he/she/it must of somehow absorbed Dayv as well. noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you must be stopped you servant of the the devil you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

TheBoost said:

Coud you really 'respect' that? And if I genuinely beleived in that, could I be expected to 'respect' your ridiculous beleifs in science, YHWH, Ganesh, or The Force?

its more or less about respecting the rights of people to believe what they believe.  People have to decide for themselves which, if any religion to follow.   I'm not going to play God and tell which to go to.  

As for the belief that all those that don't worship Christ will go to hell,  I admit I do have a problem it that I've never been able to resolve.   What about all the people whom had no chance to hear the word?  what about children that die before they even have a chance to understand?  Are they all in hell?   Hitler was a Christian, a catholic I think(although obviously not a good one),   Gandhi was not a Christian.   Is Hitler in heaven and Gandhi in hell?   What about all the people who lived and died before Christ was even born?   Are they in hell? Are the 6 Million Jewish people who died in the Holocaust in hell?   All the aborted babies whom are supposedly full fledged humans with souls, are they hell?  These are the things I can't accept.   It has caused a sort of schism between myself and my religion and my church.   I don't know what else to say.  

show me proof!

vote_for_palpatine said:

We are not supposed to judge.  That's Gods job.

According to scripture, God's job is to judge a soul as being worthy of entering the kingdom of heaven. We may not do that. As far as doing the other kind of judging, I do it all the time and proudly. So does everyone, including those who rebuke people for being judgmental.

the scripture says: judge not, lest ye be judged.  I wasn't trying to rebuke anyone.  I wasn't simply stating my religious beliefs.    And yes, I'm sure I judge too at times.    I guess not really saying don't judge, but I guess I'm saying it can go too far and then you are playing God. 

vote_for_palpatine said:

All I can say that I think a large part of the problems is that too many people have decided to hate because of their religious beliefs.

I think it's the other way around; I think people use/distort religious teaching to lend weight to their prejudices.

I agree, vfp,  many do  use/abuse/distort their religious teachings to fit their own prejudices.

I seen lots of different pics and stuff that has offended me on multiple forums.  I just try my best to ignore them.   Whenever I have tried to respond to the stuff,  it always backfires on me.   I guess just to know how to respond to stuff like that properly.   When I do respond I inadvertently come off as not having a sense of humor or as being narrow minded or pig headed.  So, I just ignore the stuff instead of risking a fight.  Of course, it would be understandable that someone who actually lost a kid or is close to someone that did, would not be able to "just ignore it".   If someone were to post or make a joke about a dog dying or something like that,  I'm I'd get very angry and would be unable to ignore it.  So, I'm not saying that Frink should just ignore it.   I'm sure Sean didn't really of offend people that have lost children.   

That said,  Sean, I think I do think you should give some sort of response.  Do it here, or in the video game thread,  or via a PM or even email if you prefer.   I don't think Frinks request is unreasonable.   

Davnes007 said:

I know someone's gotta say it...so I'll pull the pin on the grenade......

 

Religion causes more problems than it solves.

 

I await your brutal backlash

I don't know if that is true or not.  All I can say that I think a large part of the problems is that too many people have decided to hate because of their religious beliefs.   As member of my religion(Christian, United Methodist Church), we are not supposed to show hatred for our enemies or those of different beliefs and what not.   We are supposed to show love.   That is what I try to do.  That's why I can't stand Pat Roberson or those freaks that protest funerals.  They give my religion a bad name. We are not supposed to judge.  That's Gods job.    I think also part of the problem is people sometimes follow their beliefs without a does of common sense mixed in.    God or Nature or whatever gave us logic and reasoning for a reason,  we need to use it.  

LOL!!!