could you show me an example?

It is not the game I am disappointed in. I am disappointed that Darth Ender has left the forum and may never return.

My comments about telling Darth Ender to try harder and whatnot were in jest.

Maybe you are right and I need to make championship matchups more than one game.

As for the sighing, I will consider what everyone has said and think it over.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I wish you had a better grasp of humour and sarcasm, but I suppose there’s little you can actually do to rectify that.

yeah, it is kinda difficult to rectify.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

I like how you see practically everything in ways that range from “a little bit different” to “whattheactualheckisthatboysmokin’?!”

I do?

I like how you’re never anything but honest.

I think you trust me too much.

I dislike how stubborn you appear to be.

You think I am stubborn? Well I am not, and I never going to believe that I am stubborn no matter what you say!

Overall? Warbler delivers very fast and whilst his customer service skills are sometimes lacking the product is almost always durable and useful. Highly recommended ****

Lol!

Also, I don’t think I’d feel very safe around an armed guard, I’d probably feel less safe then I would without a guard. People with guns make me nervous, not because I’m afraid of guns, but because I can never know if they’re going to use them or what they’re going to use them for.

Ok, I will give this a real response.

I don’t know why an armed cop would make you nervous. He/she has the gun in case the worst happened. As long as you behave yourself, you don’t need to worry. I don’t.

Yeah, I suppose you are right.

Mrebo said:

Resisting the urge to leap to judgment, but c’mon:

The school resource deputy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, waited outside the school building as the shooting unfolded last week, officials said.

Scot Peterson never went in after taking a position on the west side of the building, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said at a Thursday afternoon news conference.

Peterson resigned after he was suspended without pay by Israel pending an internal investigation into his actions during the shooting that left 17 people dead, Israel said. Peterson was eligible for retirement.

Israel made the decision to suspend Peterson – who was armed and in uniform at the time of the shooting – after interviewing the deputy and reviewing footage and witness statements, he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html

Was there ever any statement or anything from Peterson as to why he didn’t go into the building?

Jeebus said:

Jeebus said:

This article is 5 years old; but, sadly, still very relevant.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/20/no-armed-guards-in-schools

Now, if there was a guarantee that every armed guard would be like the one in CatBus’s story, I don’t think I’d have a problem with it. But a lot of the time, the armed guard doesn’t take the role of a chill beat cop, they become the person in charge of disciplining the students.

Training can help here. Like I said, I want cops that are especially trained for school environments.

Also, I don’t think I’d feel very safe around an armed guard, I’d probably feel less safe then I would without a guard. People with guns make me nervous, not because I’m afraid of guns, but because I can never know if they’re going to use them or what they’re going to use them for.

*rolls eyes*

TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

Yeah, I don’t think it would work.

…and yet it does. You do know I wasn’t describing a theory I made up, I was describing the reality of Policing in my Country?

Well I would like to know what the regular unarmed cop is supposed to do while being fired upon while waiting for this specialty armed cop to arrive on the scene.

TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

Yeah, I don’t think it would work.

…and yet it does. You do know I wasn’t describing a theory I made up, I was describing the reality of Policing in my Country?

Warbler said:

American Cops are also answerable to the courts.

I didn’t say they weren’t. I said not “in the way you’d compare it to US Police”. Take one infamous case from last year. Philando Castile, a guy who was shot dead on the spot for reaching into his glove box in a suspicious way:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36732908

The Officer who killed him was acquitted of all charges. An officer in the UK in the same situation would have been hung, drawn and quartered (so to speak). Killing a member of the public is the last thing they are ever supposed to do. Sometimes it’s required as a last, last, last resort but in a situation like it did not need to happen on any sane level.

A world away from “He looked at me funny”, or “He reached into his glove box, so I executed him on the spot just in case he was going to do something” no questions asked.

Oh good God.

It’s shocking isn’t it (see example above).

I could address this, but I don’t feel like getting bogged down in this kind of thing right now. But I will post a video of the shooting in question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd7zW4aRlYE

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

If we ban civilians from owning semi-automatic rifles, or assault rifles, or whatever they’re called, will there be less mass shootings or more?

I would think less, but a ban is never going to happen. Too much opposition.

So let’s not even try, right? Ugh.

We can either try to get the optimal solution and fail or we can go for the secondary solution and maybe get something done and save lives.

I don’t know if he will be returning. I do hope he does return though.

TV’s Frink said:

If we ban civilians from owning semi-automatic rifles, or assault rifles, or whatever they’re called, will there be less mass shootings or more?

I would think less, but a ban is never going to happen. Too much opposition.

TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut with gun have a better can at killing a lot of people.

1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.

Or instead of hypotheticals, let’s use real numbers:

23 percent of emergency department shootings involved a perpetrator taking a gun from a security officer

But that’s in hospitals. Maybe schools are different.

Maybe these security officers need better training and maybe they need holsters better designed to prevent a perp from doing that.

Honestly the way some of you are talking, it is a wonder you don’t post that you think cops should no longer carry guns. Maybe the military as well.

Yeah I’m not crazy about the fact that cops have the ability to kill people. That’s something that needs fixing.

First of all, I don’t believe in the death penalty, and that’s after due process. So I certainly don’t think a cop should have that power.

So you don’t think a cop should have the ability to defend himself/herself. Got it. ok. I am not going waste my time engaging you on such stupidity.

We manage just fine in the UK without letting our Police execute members of the public

1. the UK isn’t the US. Many more badguys are armed here.

2. execute is not the same as defense.

(specialist fire-arms officers aside).

wait, you have them, why? Why should they get to execute members of the public? No one should have that right, correct?

1. yhwx answered this one very well above.

where did he answer why these specialist fire-arms officer have the right to execute someone but a regular cop does not.

Yeah, somehow, I don’t think that would work.

2. In what way is it different in a practical application? If you give the Police free reign to execute people they feel threatened by, they will use it in many cases.

FFS! DEFEND THEMSELVES AND INNOCENTS!, NOT EXECUTE! DEFEND!!!

They are Police, so they encounter threatening people all day, it’s their (difficult) job. If our Police encounter somebody who has a gun, or could possibly have a gun (which is incredibly unlikely in the UK) they can call in specialist firearms backup as a last resort. Making the ultimate and final punishment available as the first response to a pressure situation is playing with public safety (I’m also against the deathly-penalty by the way).

I cant see how this works

Cop to badguy: “Hey Mr. Badguy, could you stop firing your gun right now? You see, they don’t let us regular cops carry guns, so I have to call up a specialist fire-arms officer. He can execute people, but I can’t. It should only take five to ten minutes, then you can continue to fire. Thankyou”

Yeah, I don’t think it would work.

And they’d still be executing someone right? Something you don’t think anyone should have the right to do.

3. See answer to 2. Also UK fire-arms Police do not “have that right” to execute people in the way you’d compare it to US Police. If they use lethal force they have to be able to justify it in a court of law.

American Cops are also answerable to the courts.

A world away from “He looked at me funny”, or “He reached into his glove box, so I executed him on the spot just in case he was going to do something” no questions asked.

Oh good God.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut with gun have a better can at killing a lot of people.

1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.

Or instead of hypotheticals, let’s use real numbers:

23 percent of emergency department shootings involved a perpetrator taking a gun from a security officer

But that’s in hospitals. Maybe schools are different.

Maybe these security officers need better training and maybe they need holsters better designed to prevent a perp from doing that.

Honestly the way some of you are talking, it is a wonder you don’t post that you think cops should no longer carry guns. Maybe the military as well.

Yeah I’m not crazy about the fact that cops have the ability to kill people. That’s something that needs fixing.

First of all, I don’t believe in the death penalty, and that’s after due process. So I certainly don’t think a cop should have that power.

So you don’t think a cop should have the ability to defend himself/herself. Got it. ok. I am not going waste my time engaging you on such stupidity.

Putting aside your personal attack, I never said cops shouldn’t have the ability to defend themselves.

You think they shouldn’t carry guns, the kinda leaves them defenseless against bad guys. I could probably look up countless stories where if the cop didn’t have a gun, he’d be dead. There was story a couple years ago in Philly. Some nut just walks up to a cop car and tries to shoot the cop inside. The cop nearly died, and he would have if hadn’t had his gun to defend himself.

To equal cops defending themselves against bad guys to the death penalty is stupidity. One is self defense and defense of the innocent civilians(including children), the other is a form of punishment.

Defending yourself should not equal killing someone.

Sometimes it is either the cop or the bad guy, take your pick.

Too often the cop kills someone that wasn’t a threat because he thought that the guy might have been a threat. That’s why I don’t trust cops with guns. By the way, I don’t really trust anyone’s judgement with guns, so I’m not just picking on the cops. They could shoot rubber bullets or tasers or other things. I’m just spitballing, but the real issue here is that we need to take guns off the streets so that our cops don’t need to carry guns.

ask any expert an he’ll/she’ll tell you a taser isn’t anywhere near as effect as gun. It can’t nearly as many “rounds” as a gun and you have to be close enough to use them. As for rubber bullets, I have no idea how effective they are as compared to real bullets.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut with gun have a better can at killing a lot of people.

1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.

Or instead of hypotheticals, let’s use real numbers:

23 percent of emergency department shootings involved a perpetrator taking a gun from a security officer

But that’s in hospitals. Maybe schools are different.

Maybe these security officers need better training and maybe they need holsters better designed to prevent a perp from doing that.

Honestly the way some of you are talking, it is a wonder you don’t post that you think cops should no longer carry guns. Maybe the military as well.

Yeah I’m not crazy about the fact that cops have the ability to kill people. That’s something that needs fixing.

First of all, I don’t believe in the death penalty, and that’s after due process. So I certainly don’t think a cop should have that power.

So you don’t think a cop should have the ability to defend himself/herself. Got it. ok. I am not going waste my time engaging you on such stupidity.

We manage just fine in the UK without letting our Police execute members of the public

1. the UK isn’t the US. Many more badguys are armed here.

You are so close to getting it! Why are more bad guys armed here?

BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY GUNS AND HAVE BARELY ANY RESTRICTIONS ON GETTING ONE.

I do get it. The problem is, the needed restrictions aren’t going to happen. Therefore, we go to the next best solution: protect our kids in school.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

• What if the bad guy is surrounded by hostages? Are they expected to engage anyway?

obviously, this where quality training would help. Cops need to be trained to know when to shoot and when not to.

Might want to talk to black folks to see how that’s going.

I am open to improving the training we currently give cops.

• If Chris Kyle, a highly trained marksman, and good guy with a gun, was gunned down in a shooting range, surrounded by other good guys with guns… what makes you think an (at best) amateur marksman will fare better?

He will certainly fair better than someone who is not armed!

Well he didn’t fair so well.

He’s dead.

and if he didn’t have a gun and the nut was only one armed, he’d still be dead. If you are unarmed and someone is trying to shoot you and escape is impossible, you have no chance. Same situation and armed, you have a chance.

• What if having hundreds of guns in a single building is… bear with me now… not a great fucking idea? What if that building was filled with our children? Doesn’t that make it… an even worse fucking idea?

If the choice is having armed cops to defend our kids vs. leaving our kids unprotected, I’ll choose armed cops. Also these “hundreds of guns” if that is how many there’d be, would have to be strictly regulated. I think any guns coming into to school would have to be on the cops’ person 100% of the time. No leaving them in bathrooms, no locked closet with guns . . . ect.

But it’s extremely hard to get people to follow these protocols.

It is called training. It is called background checks, it is called being extremely careful in who you hire for this.

And if you get more people, it’s going to be harder to harangue all of them in to following those protocols.

If they don’t follow the protocols, they will be fired or worse.

If there’s more guns, there’s more opportunity for mistake. If you stand in the middle of a road for ten seconds, you’re much more likely to get hurt by a car in a car accident than if you did the same for one second. Your exposure to the possibility of a bad outcome is greatly reduced. And that’s why we need less exposure to guns.

mistakes can be minimized. I think it is preferable to leaving our kids unprotected.

We can do this. We can get legislation passed. Legislation has already been passed in some states, as Mrebo I believe said. It took decades to bring down Jim Crow, but it only happened because of hard work and protest. Now the world moves much faster. I’ll admit it, not all days I’m as optimistic as I am today, but we can still get something done.

yeah right, good luck. Do what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? It’s called the definition of insanity.

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut with gun have a better can at killing a lot of people.

1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.

Or instead of hypotheticals, let’s use real numbers:

23 percent of emergency department shootings involved a perpetrator taking a gun from a security officer

But that’s in hospitals. Maybe schools are different.

Maybe these security officers need better training and maybe they need holsters better designed to prevent a perp from doing that.

Honestly the way some of you are talking, it is a wonder you don’t post that you think cops should no longer carry guns. Maybe the military as well.

Yeah I’m not crazy about the fact that cops have the ability to kill people. That’s something that needs fixing.

First of all, I don’t believe in the death penalty, and that’s after due process. So I certainly don’t think a cop should have that power.

So you don’t think a cop should have the ability to defend himself/herself. Got it. ok. I am not going waste my time engaging you on such stupidity.

Putting aside your personal attack, I never said cops shouldn’t have the ability to defend themselves.

You think they shouldn’t carry guns, the kinda leaves them defenseless against bad guys. I could probably look up countless stories where if the cop didn’t have a gun, he’d be dead. There was story a couple years ago in Philly. Some nut just walks up to a cop car and tries to shoot the cop inside. The cop nearly died, and he would have if hadn’t had his gun to defend himself.

To equal cops defending themselves against bad guys to the death penalty is stupidity. One is self defense and defense of the innocent civilians(including children), the other is a form of punishment.

Defending yourself should not equal killing someone.

Sometimes it is either the cop or the bad guy, take your pick.

In some extreme cases perhaps the situation will never be better than this. But the number of times it truly comes down to that needs to be reduced to near zero. There needs to be alternatives to lethal protection.

maybe sometime in the future such technology will exist, but it doesn’t (as far as I know) right now.

Mrebo said:

I like how seriously you take the chess thread, it’s a bright spot in Off Topic.

I am also having fun with it.

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

You should sigh more often again. No sarcasm intended.

I thought it was amusing.

more disliked my sighing than liked it.

Possessed said:

You take everything on this forum way too seriously.

…I’m not sure they did. Maybe a few didn’t like it, but I think maybe they were reacting more strongly (in jest) than what they genuinely felt and you didn’t catch it?

Maybe?

No, I think they were serious in their dislike of it.

I deeply regret how this game has ended. But it is my duty to declare Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda the OT.com Chess Champion.

Possessed said:

You take everything on this forum way too seriously.

maybe, but maybe some don’t take it seriously enough.

chyron8472 said:

You should sigh more often again. No sarcasm intended.

I thought it was amusing.

more disliked my sighing than liked it.

TV’s Frink said:

Didn’t you already make this thread previously?

If so, my feedback is you shouldn’t make duplicate threads.

I did? Well, if so, this is easier than trying to find some old thread.