I see that oojason has posted a reply. I hope that someone still in management here replies at some point. I am not going to address everything oojason said(so if I don’t address something he says, don’t take it as me necessarily agreeing with him), but I will address a some.
I was keeping that inside me for along time and then came a tipping point. Jay making oojason a moderator(btw, Jay should have made that announcement, not Silverwook, announcing new mods is a job for the admin).
Does it really matter who made the announcement? Whether it was Jay, SilverWook or Anchorhead? Either way the announcement made - and it was clear & concise.
Perception. When Silverwook made the announcement, I wondered why he did and not Jay. I hadn’t seen Jay around for awhile. I thought maybe he could have gone awol(he did that once before way back, before I was a member). Was Silverwook taking upon himself to appoint someone a moderator? I didn’t know. If Jay had made the announcement, it would have let everyone know right away that he stood behind oojason. As I recall Jay had to come out later on make clear that he approved of oojason and what he was doing. If Jay had made announcement, that would not have been necessary. Additionally, Jay is lone admin and owner. Doesn’t it just make sense for him to be the one to make announcements of that magnitude?
It also appeared across the top of every section of the site - and no-one else seemingly had an issue with it, that I recall.
It happened day before our incident in the politics thread. I somehow missed it. I am human. Shoot me. Additionally at that time moderators were not marked. Consequently, I did not realize that oojason was a moderator.
It shortly became clear that oojason was very strictly enforcing the rules. The problem is, until after I got banned, no one had given any warning that the rules were now going to be more strictly enforced. Another thing was that I got temp banned before anything had been done to the likes of Darth Id, General Frevious, and Jediuze(I forget how it is spelled and I can’t see the politic thread to get the right spelling) which were clearly trolls and had behaved much worse than I did. This was a tipping off point for me. It made me think there was a double standard going on. It just further cemented my anger. But I again tried to more on from it.
I disagree with that, somewhat. As stated to you before the rules are there to help make this place a civil one. It’s not a strict application of those rules I undertook -
Whether you want to call it strict or not, you were clearly enforced more strictly than they had been. It was change that was not announced until after I got temp banned.
If you’re referring to you being asked to reduce the size of your signature… it was a little on the large size, Warb. It took up nearly half the page.
As I recall the problem was only one mobile devices. On desktops, it looked fine. Then again, people are using mobile devices a lot these days. However, as I recall, my sig had been unchanged for a while(multiple months), without anyone complaining to me and that includes moderators. Additionally, what made that situation personal, was the fact the in that sig was tribute to my father who had passed away about year before oojason complained about my sig.
If you’re referring to me asking you to stop with the ‘sigh only’ posts - that was also explained at the time in a bid to try and cut down on misunderstandings to when you had previously posed ‘sighs’ and members would get the wrong end of the stick by you meant or what you were referring to - resulting in your original point being lost, forgotten or ignored. In a bid to improve the flow and understanding of the point you were making you were asked give an explanation along with when you sighed. (Other members were asked to stop with the ‘hahahaha’ type posts too - both part of a bid to improve the quality and flow of discussion).
All I know I that I was making my sigh posts just like I had always done and then suddenly when oojason became a moderator, it became problem. In any event, I think we all have to agree I do it a lot less these days.
For banning someone who posted up an image regarding paedophilia, bestiality and religious intolerance (and IIRC was also racist?), and who also kicked off at the mods and then re-posted the offending image - I’ve no qualms about my actions there.
Just so everyone knows what oojason is referring to here. It image in question was one of a westboro baptists protester, holding up offensive signs. I was not posting it condone, or agree with what they do or condone or approve of paedophilia, bestiality, religious intolerance, racism, or homophobia. I think the westbor baptists are the scum of the earth. I absolutely hate what they do. oojason knowing me as long as he did, should known that would not approve of those things or the westboro baptists. I posted the pic to show that not all peaceful protesters are good people. I thought I had made that clear in the initial post. I thought, if the post was read in the contexts of the posts that had come before and with the accompanying text with the pic, that my reasons and intentions were clear. But turned out it was not. I made more clear my reason for posting the pic later on, but it was not done fast enough to suit oojason.
- Inconsistent moderation. Let us face it, how Silverwook moderates compared to how oojason did is night and day. They are entirely different. That is a problem. Moderation, no matter who is doing it needs to be consistent. It is not fair that whether someone is punished for something and/or what the punishment is, depends on who is doing the moderating. Tell your moderators how you want and expect the forum to be moderated and make sure they are all moderating it the same. This would also help in making clear how you expect people to behave.
Yes, we’re different people, though as stated before by the other mods, and Jay, we are not a hive mind. I’ll freely admit I’m the ‘worst’ mod on here and made a fair few mistakes - though it’s a high bar on here (and both love and respect SilverWook, Anchorhead, Zion, Moth3r & Jay and the way they handle(d) things, their commitment and dedication to the site.
I realize you are not a hive mind. But can you see the problem if person A and person B do the same thing, and then oojason catches person A and bans him and Silverwook catches person B and does nothing? Can’t you see a problem with inconsistent enforcement of the rules. Sure no two mods will ever do everything exactly the same, but there does and should be some level of consistency.
The thing with the westboro baptist pic is a perfect example. I would bet my life savings that if you hadn’t been a moderator at the time, Silverwook would have taken no action on the pic. None. I know that because not long before that incident, I had posted another pic of the westboro baptists, again to use an example and Silverwook did nothing. That is what I mean by inconsistent moderation.
That you believe that Jay didn’t converse with us on issues is baffling to me - or that we actually often talked issues through before acting on them at times baffles me too.
I don’t know why that would baffle you. We(regular forums) have no idea what you do and do not discuss in private.
As for your earlier statement in which…
But why did I react the way I did? Anger. Anger at what has gone on here for years. I have been a forum member here for 15 years. For a large percentage of that, I have felt like dirt under Jay’s feet. I realize I share part of the blame. I know some it goes back to my actions during what I have always called the great forum schism(now I guess it is the first forum schism) back in 2006 with the situation involving Dayv and fanedit.com(now fanedit.org). I do regret some of how I acted and some of what I said. I believe I have said that before. I also deeply regret the times I trolled on here. I admit it was childish and stupid and I am embarrassed about doing so. I do believe that even though I have tried to move on from both, I don’t think Jay has never been able to truly forgive me and it has caused animosity between us for years. But it is not just that.
It has do with years of Jay acting like he preferred the Trolls over legitimate forum members. It used to be trolls could get away with murder on here. I have been the victim of bullying and personal attacks from trolls, with Jay and his mods doing nothing. Finally, they started moderating the off topic section, but my anger at having to put up with the trolls for years while Jay and the mods did nothing, remained. To me at the time I thought all Jay and the mods should do is just perm ban the trolls and leave off topic otherwise un-moderated. I think I now realize it’s a little more complicated than that. I also felt and still feel that Jay has never appreciated the special place that off topic became(note, I did not say perfect). To my point of view, he has always had disdain for the off topic section and consequently, we(those post most often in off topic) have felt like Jay’s dirty ugly step children. That fed into the animosity and my anger. There were also multiple PMs to you and other mods that went unanswered. That too fed into my anger.
Just a quick one, here. I believe you are wrong on how you believe Jay sees you.
If I am, he can tell me himself.
Despite you publishing private email conversations on the site,
I believe I apologized for doing that. I will apologize again. I am sorry I published private email conversations. I admit it was a bad mistake on my part. Again, I am sorry.
harassing me after you were asked to stop contacting me
Remind me, when did I do that?
and then giving quite a one-eyed opinion of what had occurred at the time in your ‘Warbler’s Statement’ thread…
It was not intended to be one-eyed. But you clearly had the ability to correct any inaccuracies that I had made.
I’ll let you know Jay was person who asked me to reduce your ‘week off’ for doing so to just a few days, and that he generally speaks well of you in the Admin section.
That he speaks well of me would shock me. Unfortunately, I can’t read the Admin section to know for sure. I didn’t even know there was an admin section.
Jay also had no problem with you using the site to start up ‘Warbler’s Place 2 - PM Boogaloo’ type PM threads - despite you not posting on the open forum.
Any private threads I have created are just that - private. They are nothing like what “Warbler’s Place” was.
Jay has also gone to significant efforts to reform the Off Topic for the better - giving members here what they they long wished for - a place to discuss media, film, tv, music, art,
politics, religion, sport, life etc in a place outside of the old Off Topic section - yet still contain that (now Cantina) section - where members are more free to goofball & mess around - and is more freely moderated than other sections of the site.
Also, your claim that multiple PM to the mods went unanswered is not true - I’ve answered every single one of your many PMs to me (bar your last PM reply to me). You may not have liked or agreed with the content - though they were all answered, and I believe engaged with - and given the same respect, thought, care and attention that I gave to everyone else. The reason why I haven’t responded to your last PM reply is that I no longer wish to spend any more time and effort here discussing issues with you when you state that collipso’s open letter (containing ‘go drive yourself into a tree’) is ‘it was a thing of beauty’ and that ‘you loved the open letter’.
To clarify: My claim about multiple PMs to the mods going unanswered does not apply to oojason. He did answer the PMs I sent to him. What I was referring to were situations that happened before oojason was a moderator. The PMs in question were mostly ones sent to Jay or Silverwook.
My time spent here is limited (though it certainly may not seem like it of late! 😃) due to changes in personal circumstances mean I stepped down as moderator here (something which can take a lot out of a person).
I realize that moderating can take a lot out of a person, that is why I suggested adding additional mods and an admit, to lower the workload.
Regardless of Jay being involved in a car accident years ago - or whether collipso knew of that or not… it was out of order and a disgusting thing for him to say to anyone (basically to go kill yourself).
It may well have been. But I say again neither he nor I ever seriously wanted Jay to kill himself.
Honestly, I never thought there’d be day where I believed this site would be a better place without you - though given your continuing & selective views of me and others (as well as aggressive attitude to me in your PMs), your obvious and clear frustrations with the site & how it’s run, the anger which has manifested itself within you over that time - and also your recent comments & claims - I no longer believe that to be the case.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but you are entitled to your opinion.