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#1321964
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

This video nails how I feel about TLJ now:

Revisiting the Last Jedi (and why it is alright)

https://youtu.be/qlOnKW_gFLE

Like me the guy disliked the film, but has kind of come around to liking many elements of it, and feels there’s a great film at its core. The guy goes through what he feels are the strong, and weaker elements of the film in a pretty balanced manner.

I will never be convinced that TLJ is a good film, when it has terrible writing. The main arc makes no sense, its sub plots are redundant and devoid of character development. Every character in the move ends exactly where they left of in TFA.

This not to mention Prequel levels of cheese, like Rose’s forced romance, BB8 fighting people and driving a Walker, Holdos Disney approach to leadership - “if you only believe it when you see it, you will never make it through the night”.

The movie had potential, to take the force knowledge in a new direction… “the light, the dark… but there is so much more”. This was said by Luke in the trailer, and never realised in the movie. Despite Lukes initial attempts to shake things up (and he was 100% correct) the movie proves him wrong and claims Rey as the last Jedi. Why? After the first half of the movie trying to convince me the Jedi as a religion should end, why is she now one of them? Why not become an outcast, a Grey force user? Like Luke was in the legends. Someone who controls both light and dark…

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#1321711
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

It’s worth still taking these details with a grain of salt, but The Playlist is confirming it’s real, based on multiple sources: https://theplaylist.net/duel-of-the-fates-leak-colin-trevorrow-star-wars-20200114/

I watched a video reading the whole thing, while not perfect (duh) its so much better than what we got. And it feels like star wars. Loved the finnale and the Coruscant siege in look of the beacon.

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#1321710
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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StarkillerAG said:

I disagree with that article completely. Rey Palpatine wasn’t done for any storytelling reason, it was just done to please people who were pissed that Rey was a nobody in TLJ. And I really don’t like Rey taking the Skywalker name without permission, just because some ghosts smiled at her. If Jeff Bezos smiled at me, would that mean I’m a billionaire? Rey’s arc in TROS makes no sense, and it devalues TLJ’s message that anyone can be a hero. It’s one of those moments that was clearly designed to be a dig at TLJ, like “Go away, Rose!” and “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect.”

I hate that they used Palpatine of all things, but I feel it was to fill the void of a main villain in the saga now that Snoke is gone, and to explain why she was so powerful at everything with no real training of anything. She’s the first character in the Saga to do that and of course it requires a reason.

Me, I would just love for Luke to have trained her in TLJ. Wasted opportunity.

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#1318824
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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mykyta-R4 said:

Force-Abel said:

From a member who tries to twist moderators words to make a point, and in first posts on here said…

Wanderer_ said:

i would say TLJ fans are the ones who just use racism and sexism as a card against people who have genuine criticism of the movie. Its quite toxic really,

but when moderator challenges you, you then say…

Wanderer_ said:

Im sorry to hear there was indeed a lot of hate and racism thrown into the mix…

^ Yet you have no problem with throwing it around yourself!

Excuse me? The mod was refering to racist remarks used to bash the movies, or hate speech towards the actors. Something i never saw myself… Ths review i posted has non of that. Its a well written review…

This is exactly what i mean, any semblance of criticism makes some ultra sensitive people go mad and twist words and take things out of context. Its toxic, it destroys discussions and you are being an example of it.

Next time if you want to throw shade at someone check the material they posted instead of assuming things. And if you dont care for that material you wont be in a position to judge.

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#1318615
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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oojason said:

A ‘balanced review’ and ‘constructive criticism’? Doesn’t seem like it - and I’ve no wish spending two hours finding out.
;

Your choice of course. I find suspicious that people get put off by the name of the channel, honestly its clear to me that any review pointing put flaws and problems on the sequel trilogy wpuld get dismissed by random reasons.

Screen Rant for example is one of most thoughtful and chilled movie critiques on YouTube… But it has “rant” in the name so im going to dismiss it.

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#1318600
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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oojason said:

Wanderer_ said:

The unbridled rage take on the movie is here, and it’s awesome: https://youtu.be/0528-TlRODI

A 2 hour long youtube video from ‘MauLer’ on bashing TROS? Titled ‘TROS: An Unbridled Rage’?

No thanks - personally I’d rather watch something with balance to their videos, something without a pre-conceived agenda - and not 2 hours of a ‘video ranting about a crappy movie’ - or ‘Disney’s failure is now complete’.

Though fair play to those that do.
 

Its a very fair, balanced review though. That said, i understand how people who loved the movie cant take well constructed criticism, as seen with TLJ.

Fyi, its not a rant or enraged review despite the name of the channel.

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#1317625
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Why don't people hate the Palpatine re-casting in ESB yet despise Force ghost Anakin's re-casting in RotJ?
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screams in the void said:

Omni said:

Just because someone prefers some SE stuff doesn’t mean they don’t want the OUT released.

this doesn’t change the fact that I am still baffled by someone preferring this particular SE change on a site that was explicitly created to preserve and promote/petition for the original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy .

I just assumed it was a site for people who love thr original trilogy. Why must things be seen in absolutes?

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#1317550
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

Broom Kid said:

People don’t overcome their shortcomings and then never ever make them ever again for the rest of their life, though.

His mistake in this example is “seeing that his nephew will commit genocide on a scale his father never dreamed of and instinctually flicking on a lightsaber” - before immediately feeling a flood of total shame at himself in response. It’s actually a lesser mistake, considering the first time he tried to save one of his genocidal relatives he kicked the hell out of him and then cut his hand off before just barely managing to stop himself from delivering the killing blow.

Nobody solves a problem in their life once and then it stays solved forever. Even real life heroes struggle with those sorts of things. That he made that mistake (among others, including subtly succumbing to hubris and vanity) doesn’t erase his maturation as a character (especially considering the rest of the film’s characterization of Luke, and Hamill’s amazing work in bringing it depth and meaning). It complicates it, but by the end of the film’s arc, it’s enriched. Luke does something no Jedi’s ever done, not even Yoda. He only unlocks the potential and ability within himself to do that because he learns - finally - from the failures he kept incurring (as we all do) when his life continued past “happily ever after.”

I think you nailed it. His mistake in that flashback is minor except that he Ben catches him doing it and lashes out. Had Ben not been on the verge, that would not have happened. Luke makes a minor mistake and Ben goes into a rage. That shows that Snoke had already turned him. Luke isn’t about to Kill Ben. And I have said many times that Luke in TLJ very much pulls from the Luke we saw in the OT. His stand at the end of ROTJ was great, but that is a moment. I really feel the rest of ROTJ and the two previous films is more true to his character and insisting that he must live up to that high point of heroism at the end of ROTJ is lifting him above being human and putting him on a pedestal. TLJ brings humanity back to the character and makes him more real and relatable like he was in the OT.

You guys are missing the point, Luke already had his failure arc, not in Return of thr jedi, but in empire stris back.
Luke did nothing wrong in ROTJ, he had motives to kill vader, and lol “cold blooded”… It was a battle for life,Vader threatened his sister so he did what he needed to do.

The point is Star wars is not a depiction of reality, its about heroism and positive inspiration. Luke was an inspiration, now he is a grumpy uncle. Realist? Yes. Desirable? Hell no. And the worst of all having this grumpy Luke works agains Reys character development and works against the movie.

So i loved Luke and i loved Rey, TLJ ruined both. They were both useless, undecided morons.

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#1317365
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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act on instinct said:

I guess this is where we eventually get to our own fanedits and personal headcanon, I want to agree it’s probably best to consider TLJ in the standalone category, but a few establishing pieces might need to be added from TFA for it to truly work and make sense to the blind viewer. The ending as ambiguous is fine, ha maybe the ultimate subversion would be that we never did get a definitive conclusion and are left to wonder, definitely a meta take, makes it more fun to me in theory.

It works for TLJ and for TFA as well. We can just imagine what happens after Rey meets Luke.

Thats what i do every day xD

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#1317357
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Honestly I think the editor is bullshitting around the answer. The way she answered it just seemed rather weird. Sure, that could’ve been intended to be the last shot when they filmed it, but was who was in the shot always the same?

I don’t think John Boyega and Mark Hamill have ever realized how their negative comments can be lightning rods for online bullying. They can say tons of complimentary things and people will ignore them, but as soon as they say anything negative it becomes fuel for online attacks.

NeverarGreat said:

The map to Luke is discovered on Jakku by an old friend of Luke’s, and the first person BB-8 carrying the map runs into is the granddaughter of Palpatine, who is in speeder distance of the Millennium Falcon and happens to use this to escape the planet and they happen to be picked up within five minutes by Han Solo and brought to a place that has Luke’s old lightsaber in the basement. All of these things, save the connection between Han and the Falcon, are complete coincidences.

Another reason why Rey Nobody would’ve made a lot more sense!

I would agree to that, but this means that either she had training before in the force, or JJ simply wouldn’t have her beat Kylo Ren in TFA. You cant be both a nobody, have no previous training and be great at everything.

I defended Rey as a character when she was proficient im every that she did, with the underlying assumption that there is a reason for her to know all of this. The force isn’t a magical gift giving plot device, in past movies it was required time, effort and lots of tears before someone was good with the force.

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#1317181
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Cthulhunicron said:

Wanderer_ said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Cthulhunicron said:

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.

The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.

TLJ destroys Luke. So i guess they all work together against the OT characters. And for the record I never felt TFA destroyed Hans Solo, he was pretty much the Hans we knew and loved from the originals. He was a scoundrel, not really boyfriend material… And neither was Leia.

I’ve never understood this perspective that TLJ destroys Luke. He makes a mistake, overcomes it, and has a heroic death. He’s humanized, and still gets to be badass at the end.

I appreciate the spectacle, the music and intent behind bit… But honestly it was a bit lacking in the end. My personal interpretation od course and i respect people who loved that arc, but Luke already had a perfext hero journey, this step back didnt really add much to the universe, in fact it affects the story in a negative way. Rey needed a mentor, a father figure. Luke should have been that figure and his role would have been much more purposeful and fulfilling. As a result Rey was stagnant in the movie, Luke never really redeemed himself imo and we lost 2 great character opportunities in one sitting. For what? The cinematography for the final scene was amazing… And thats about it.

TLJ story and character arcs were pretty much nothing. Some people like that, i dont.

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#1317055
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Why don't people hate the Palpatine re-casting in ESB yet despise Force ghost Anakin's re-casting in RotJ?
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ChainsawAsh said:

Wanderer_ said:

ray_afraid said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

Well, if you compare Revisited Palpatine to OUT Palpatine, of course the former’s gonna look superior to the latter.

I assumed that was the comparison :p
Unless there is yet another change i haven’t seen.

We’re discussing the 2004 change where George replaced the original ESB Emperor with the horrible RotS monster face Emperor. Not Adywan’s excellent fanedit.

I honestly never noticed the difference, in my mind the emperor was always Ian.

You don’t seem to get what we’re saying - the comparison you posted was 1980 monkeylady Emperor and Adywan’s fan edit alteration of the 2004 Emperor, which is vastly superior to the official 2004 Emperor because he literally cut and pasted images of McDiarmid’s ROTJ makeup on top of it.

THIS is the official 2004 one, which is just McDiarmid in his ROTS makeup and it looks like absolute trash.

I understand, but while its not as good as aparent fan made version, its still much better than the original i watched on tape. I dont understand whats so bad about the sample you posted.

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#1316643
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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fmalover said:

Because of the massive letdown that was TFA I decided to read the plot summary on Wikipedia because if there is one thing I learned from TFA it’s to never trust JJ Abrams ever again, and I have made the right decision.

Rey is Palatine’s granddaughter. Seriously? Why couldn’t she simply be Rey from nowhere?

Rey always had to either be related to someone or have had training as a kid. During TFA i always assumed she was a student of Lukes that survived the destruction of the temple. Luke to protect her sent her away. Its thr only explanation i could come up for her abilities. The force, not matter how strong it is, doesnt give you abilities.

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#1316364
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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FreezingTNT2 said:

Cthulhunicron said:

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.

The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.

TLJ destroys Luke. So i guess they all work together against the OT characters. And for the record I never felt TFA destroyed Hans Solo, he was pretty much the Hans we knew and loved from the originals. He was a scoundrel, not really boyfriend material… And neither was Leia.

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#1316347
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Why don't people hate the Palpatine re-casting in ESB yet despise Force ghost Anakin's re-casting in RotJ?
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ray_afraid said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

Well, if you compare Revisited Palpatine to OUT Palpatine, of course the former’s gonna look superior to the latter.

I assumed that was the comparison :p
Unless there is yet another change i haven’t seen.

We’re discussing the 2004 change where George replaced the original ESB Emperor with the horrible RotS monster face Emperor. Not Adywan’s excellent fanedit.

I honestly never noticed the difference, in my mind the emperor was always Ian.

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#1316334
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Why don't people hate the Palpatine re-casting in ESB yet despise Force ghost Anakin's re-casting in RotJ?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

Well, if you compare Revisited Palpatine to OUT Palpatine, of course the former’s gonna look superior to the latter.

I assumed that was the comparison :p
Unless there is yet another change i haven’t seen.

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#1316170
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Rey &amp; Kylo Ren's Relationship - <strong>TROS SPOILERS</strong> from Page 3 onwards
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nl0428 said:

Wanderer_ said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes, I tend to think that “Rey shouldn’t love abusive man” is a sort of one dimensional way of viewing their relationship.

What other way is it? She fell for him because he has a nice body (TLJ scene) and because JJ Abrahams wanyed to redeem another villain so badly. Kylo is a man child, he is a murderer and the only interaction he has with Rey is during fights… Its so messed up.

I think it’s quite obvious that they came together based on their lives and growing up lonely wanting a family.

Ben had a family, one that he not only left, but actually killed off. Another thing, its hard to believe that Rey would fall for the guy who killed the closest father figure she had in this whole trilogy - Hans. This is just Twilight levels of masoquism.

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#1315972
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Why don't people hate the Palpatine re-casting in ESB yet despise Force ghost Anakin's re-casting in RotJ?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

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#1315952
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Rey &amp; Kylo Ren's Relationship - <strong>TROS SPOILERS</strong> from Page 3 onwards
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DominicCobb said:

Yes, I tend to think that “Rey shouldn’t love abusive man” is a sort of one dimensional way of viewing their relationship.

What other way is it? She fell for him because he has a nice body (TLJ scene) and because JJ Abrahams wanyed to redeem another villain so badly. Kylo is a man child, he is a murderer and the only interaction he has with Rey is during fights… Its so messed up.