Wanderer_

act on instinct said:

I guess this is where we eventually get to our own fanedits and personal headcanon, I want to agree it’s probably best to consider TLJ in the standalone category, but a few establishing pieces might need to be added from TFA for it to truly work and make sense to the blind viewer. The ending as ambiguous is fine, ha maybe the ultimate subversion would be that we never did get a definitive conclusion and are left to wonder, definitely a meta take, makes it more fun to me in theory.

It works for TLJ and for TFA as well. We can just imagine what happens after Rey meets Luke.

Thats what i do every day xD

RogueLeader said:

Honestly I think the editor is bullshitting around the answer. The way she answered it just seemed rather weird. Sure, that could’ve been intended to be the last shot when they filmed it, but was who was in the shot always the same?

I don’t think John Boyega and Mark Hamill have ever realized how their negative comments can be lightning rods for online bullying. They can say tons of complimentary things and people will ignore them, but as soon as they say anything negative it becomes fuel for online attacks.

NeverarGreat said:

The map to Luke is discovered on Jakku by an old friend of Luke’s, and the first person BB-8 carrying the map runs into is the granddaughter of Palpatine, who is in speeder distance of the Millennium Falcon and happens to use this to escape the planet and they happen to be picked up within five minutes by Han Solo and brought to a place that has Luke’s old lightsaber in the basement. All of these things, save the connection between Han and the Falcon, are complete coincidences.

Another reason why Rey Nobody would’ve made a lot more sense!

I would agree to that, but this means that either she had training before in the force, or JJ simply wouldn’t have her beat Kylo Ren in TFA. You cant be both a nobody, have no previous training and be great at everything.

I defended Rey as a character when she was proficient im every that she did, with the underlying assumption that there is a reason for her to know all of this. The force isn’t a magical gift giving plot device, in past movies it was required time, effort and lots of tears before someone was good with the force.

DuracellEnergizer said:

“Sheev” is Palpatine’s first name. That detail was one of Lucas’ last contributions to the lore, IIRC.

I just find weird that we call him palpatine at all. He is darth sidious.

Cthulhunicron said:

Wanderer_ said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Cthulhunicron said:

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.

The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.

TLJ destroys Luke. So i guess they all work together against the OT characters. And for the record I never felt TFA destroyed Hans Solo, he was pretty much the Hans we knew and loved from the originals. He was a scoundrel, not really boyfriend material… And neither was Leia.

I’ve never understood this perspective that TLJ destroys Luke. He makes a mistake, overcomes it, and has a heroic death. He’s humanized, and still gets to be badass at the end.

I appreciate the spectacle, the music and intent behind bit… But honestly it was a bit lacking in the end. My personal interpretation od course and i respect people who loved that arc, but Luke already had a perfext hero journey, this step back didnt really add much to the universe, in fact it affects the story in a negative way. Rey needed a mentor, a father figure. Luke should have been that figure and his role would have been much more purposeful and fulfilling. As a result Rey was stagnant in the movie, Luke never really redeemed himself imo and we lost 2 great character opportunities in one sitting. For what? The cinematography for the final scene was amazing… And thats about it.

TLJ story and character arcs were pretty much nothing. Some people like that, i dont.

ChainsawAsh said:

Wanderer_ said:

ray_afraid said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

Well, if you compare Revisited Palpatine to OUT Palpatine, of course the former’s gonna look superior to the latter.

I assumed that was the comparison :p
Unless there is yet another change i haven’t seen.

We’re discussing the 2004 change where George replaced the original ESB Emperor with the horrible RotS monster face Emperor. Not Adywan’s excellent fanedit.

I honestly never noticed the difference, in my mind the emperor was always Ian.

You don’t seem to get what we’re saying - the comparison you posted was 1980 monkeylady Emperor and Adywan’s fan edit alteration of the 2004 Emperor, which is vastly superior to the official 2004 Emperor because he literally cut and pasted images of McDiarmid’s ROTJ makeup on top of it.

THIS is the official 2004 one, which is just McDiarmid in his ROTS makeup and it looks like absolute trash.

I understand, but while its not as good as aparent fan made version, its still much better than the original i watched on tape. I dont understand whats so bad about the sample you posted.

fmalover said:

Because of the massive letdown that was TFA I decided to read the plot summary on Wikipedia because if there is one thing I learned from TFA it’s to never trust JJ Abrams ever again, and I have made the right decision.

Rey is Palatine’s granddaughter. Seriously? Why couldn’t she simply be Rey from nowhere?

Rey always had to either be related to someone or have had training as a kid. During TFA i always assumed she was a student of Lukes that survived the destruction of the temple. Luke to protect her sent her away. Its thr only explanation i could come up for her abilities. The force, not matter how strong it is, doesnt give you abilities.

FreezingTNT2 said:

Cthulhunicron said:

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.

The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.

TLJ destroys Luke. So i guess they all work together against the OT characters. And for the record I never felt TFA destroyed Hans Solo, he was pretty much the Hans we knew and loved from the originals. He was a scoundrel, not really boyfriend material… And neither was Leia.

ray_afraid said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

Well, if you compare Revisited Palpatine to OUT Palpatine, of course the former’s gonna look superior to the latter.

I assumed that was the comparison :p
Unless there is yet another change i haven’t seen.

We’re discussing the 2004 change where George replaced the original ESB Emperor with the horrible RotS monster face Emperor. Not Adywan’s excellent fanedit.

I honestly never noticed the difference, in my mind the emperor was always Ian.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wanderer_ said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

Well, if you compare Revisited Palpatine to OUT Palpatine, of course the former’s gonna look superior to the latter.

I assumed that was the comparison :p
Unless there is yet another change i haven’t seen.

nl0428 said:

Wanderer_ said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes, I tend to think that “Rey shouldn’t love abusive man” is a sort of one dimensional way of viewing their relationship.

What other way is it? She fell for him because he has a nice body (TLJ scene) and because JJ Abrahams wanyed to redeem another villain so badly. Kylo is a man child, he is a murderer and the only interaction he has with Rey is during fights… Its so messed up.

I think it’s quite obvious that they came together based on their lives and growing up lonely wanting a family.

Ben had a family, one that he not only left, but actually killed off. Another thing, its hard to believe that Rey would fall for the guy who killed the closest father figure she had in this whole trilogy - Hans. This is just Twilight levels of masoquism.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

Both have make up effects applied, the original holds up poorly whereas Ians make up looks a lot more organic and believable. In fact while watching the original version i always felt the emperors face was about to melt off at any stage of the movie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/kVczqCH7ggaiEoDM9

DominicCobb said:

Yes, I tend to think that “Rey shouldn’t love abusive man” is a sort of one dimensional way of viewing their relationship.

What other way is it? She fell for him because he has a nice body (TLJ scene) and because JJ Abrahams wanyed to redeem another villain so badly. Kylo is a man child, he is a murderer and the only interaction he has with Rey is during fights… Its so messed up.

Leia never really came off as being powerful enough for even Kylo or Snoke to acknowledge her in the bakance of the force. Snoke had met Luke and was apparently terrified of him.

I feel this is a very awkward relationship, and with all the lengths disney went to to protect Rey as a female character i find it ironic they end up having her fall for an abusive man, that has no redeemable qualities other than a plot device. Rey deserves better and so do we.

Haarspalter said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Hal 9000 said:

My biggest overall disappointment with the sequel trilogy is probably that it chose, perhaps not all at once, to pattern itself after the originals to the point that it retells the Empire vs Rebels story almost to a tee. It ends in essentially the same place as does ROTJ, feeling like it recapitulate the story rather than truly continuing it.

The most satisfying part for me has been Luke’s journey from traumatized recluse to revivified Jedi Master ready to nonviolently kick ass. It was a gift horse I looked in the mouth, but has been worth being patient for myself to appreciate. This is the diamond in the rough, woven into the soil of the retread that TFA set in motion.

And that’s why bringing back Darth Sidious destroys Anakin’s sacrifice and redemption in Return of the Jedi.

What ‘sacrifice’ are you talking about? Last time i checked ROTJ Darth Vader lifted up the Emperor and throwed him down a shaft. It would have been a ‘sacrifice’ if Vader jumped WITH the Emperor down the shaft.

Vader died in the process. The electrocution fried his body and suit.

Everything looks good. I honestly don’t think that Luke backing off when Rey ignites the lightsaber is a sign of weaknesse. He bested her easily in a duel.

I have stayed off forums for a long time, i dont use twitter and evidently im new to this board so i may have spared myself of the drama. Im sorry to hear there was indeed a lot of hate and racism thrown into the mix… It makes honest discussions very difficult.

First, im very grateful that there are talented people out there pouring their time and effort into these projects. Second, where would i be able to see V2 of this edit? Thank you!

The emperor in the originals looked like a guy in a cheap mask. So when i was a kid and watched the new editions of ESB it just looked like it was a remastered version of the emperor.

In comparison to Anakins ghost, there was nothing wrong with the original version… In fact Haydens creeper face felt like a downgrade.

Biggs Audio Dynamite said:

oojason said:

Bar calling out the toxic fans - the racists, sexists, homophobes, trolls, death threat makers and announcers, and bullies who chase people involved in films they don’t like off the internet etc… I haven’t seen quotes from Rian Johnson chastising genuine criticism of The Last Jedi - I’ve only seen quotes from him stating he was perfectly fine with fans expressing genuine criticism of the film.

Perhaps someone can provide quotes from him to the contrary? (I am somewhat surprised nobody has done so previously.)
 

I don’t think anyone has posted them because such quotes don’t exist. To me it is a myth, spread by people looking to continue the hate on the TLJ film or the man who made it.

Personally I find such claims to be actually toxic, as they are without foundation or fact. Both a lie and smear. Rinsed and repeated.

I like TLJ overall, yet the film still has several big issues for me, but I’m not going to lie and make up shit about it or about the people who worked on it, and I don’t understand people who do.

If Rian Johnson called out a bunch of people fitting the descriptions you posted then good on him. I wish more would.

Im not a fan of TLJ, and i can find tons of videos and articles discussing it in a unbiased, unprejudiced way. In fact i would say TLJ fans are the ones who just use racism and sexism as a card against people who have genuine criticism of the movie. Its quite toxic really, and sad that Rian Johnson fans dont have any issues in thrashing people and the franchise to protect the vision of one dude.
People didnt like Rose because she was a waste, not because she was a female. People want Rey to show weakness because thats what a hero should do, not because shes a female. People hated on Finns arc because it was a waste and pointless, not cause he’s black. People hated on Holdo because she was an incompetent leader, not because she was a female. People dont like Poes arc because the movie makes him look incompetent just to prove a point and serve Holdos motivations, not because he is a man. People hated Lukes arc because he already had his evolution as a character in the OT, now his job was to pass on the torch, not to go back to the drawing board.

I adored Reys introduction in TFA, i adored the chemistry between Poe and Finn, and i loved that movie in general… Its just the movies that followed did not stick the landing. In the end the most disappointing thing is the constant retconing of elements of the OT. Lukes receded as a character after a perfect Hero arc, Leia and Hans turn out to be loser dads and Vaders redemption was in vain. I have to do a mental exercise of notes to forget this trilogy existed.