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#369846
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Capture card for VHS -- upgrade from PDI deluxe to...?
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Wow, more replies came in!

Wstrwald, I discovered 8x8 Tweaker awhile back, and was all jazzed, but I tried it for two days and I just couldn't get it to work right. I forget the exact problems, but I remember crashing or the changes just not taking effect in the captures themselves (and I always use VirtualDub as my capping software). But, yeah, resetting was happening, so I will try what you said and cross my fingers. Still, my bigger problem was much more the randomizing of what field it grabbed first, but if I could fix one problem of my two, that would be awesome. :)

Mother, I haven't tried videohelp, so I'll give that a try soon. :)

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#369845
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Capture card for VHS -- upgrade from PDI deluxe to...?
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Thanks for the reply, Jonno. I just would have thought that all restrictions/options would have opened up over the years (such as option for uncompressed) as the tech advanced, but I was wrong apparently. People were just satisfied with not-the-best results when it came to capping SD analog I guess (largely thanks to a lot of ill advice out there, which I'll go into toward the bottom of this post).


Jonno said:

it sounds like the work you're doing is considerably more interesting than most of our existing clients!
I'm just wanting to be able to confidently retire a number of VHS tapes I have from film work I did years back (transfers to VHS), to save space. Nothing really interesting I would say, especially as I'm just following what a number of people on the net came up with in regards to technique. (I'm actually not very savvy at all when it comes to knowing what makes up video signals and such!)


Jonno said:

Shame you're (presumably) not in the UK
Correct. I'm in the US, my gear NTSC of course.

I am now kinda set on wanting to get/try the Intensity Pro, but as of this morning my finances may be taking a sudden hit (might have to move!), and may curtail my plans on that. Gotta see what goes down.


And slightly on this whole topic, I kind of shuddered a few times last night while looking for info, at re-reading a lot of the "wise words" from over the years on 'net forums in regards to capping VHS. Seeing things like "VHS is so low res that you can capture at 640x240 without worrying about losing any information." Ugh, how totally wrooong that is! To think that people did such captures and erased their valuable video afterward because they believed things like that, that there was no more quality that could be gained. :( And it seems that very few people have picked up multi-cap-averaging for their more valuable video, which is sad because it really is the way to go! Amazingly better results (but more work) than a single capture! (on consumer-ish gear). And averaging is especially the way to go for LD capturing as you don't have to worry about the added-frames issue or adding wear to your master tape. Alright, shutting up now on that. :)


Thanks for the replies. I guess I can now only hope that I'm not going to end up as money strapped as I'm fearing, and if/when I get the Intensity Pro, I'll post some comparisons to my PDI for those interested.

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#369789
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Capture card for VHS -- upgrade from PDI deluxe to...?
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Mother,

I saw that thread last night, and others around the net. Most reviews and such I saw don't address the specifics I seek, as you've found as well; I saw the thread about minimal support you were talking about. I might just have to buy an Intensity Pro and see for myself how it works/compares. That was an older thread, and maybe they put some fixes in the newer cards to make them better in the analog capture department.

Jonno,
Yeah, I use y/c connection of course. I actually am just a little technically ignorant enough not to know if what you say is correct. Mother, do you know?


I must say I'm amazed that the reply to the topic isn't a simple, "Oh, almost any card that from these companies that can capture video now will be better than that old thing!" Think about a hard drive from seven or eight years ago, or a USB drive, or just about anything else you can throw into a computer from that long ago...
If only I could get my PDI to shift down a few lines, and especially always start capture from the same field, it would basically be fine enough to keep using forever (both of these problems have been asked about at Doom9, no response -- but maybe I'll try again soon).

Not that I can afford it in the slightest, but what's people's thoughts on this? I'm guessing it would do pretty well! :) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22matrox+mxO2%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N

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#369699
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Capture card for VHS -- upgrade from PDI deluxe to...?
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Hi all!

My PDI Deulxe card, while great, is pretty old. Also, I have had a couple of issues with it within my set-up that I've never been able to solve over the years of my using it. (1. Cap area shifted off-center enough so that I lose a couple of scanlines of image area from the top. 2. Randomly picks between even-field-first or odd-field-first capping with start of every capture! Especially since I do averaging of multiple captures, this is a pain, wastes lots of time!)

So, is there a newer card for about or under $200 out there that can give me the benefits of the last seven years of advancements in technology, that will make it easy for me to "upgrade" my cap card without any sacrifices in the quality I've gotten used to with the PDI Deluxe (perhaps new cards can actually do a bit better)? My need is pretty simple, just straight 720x480 lossless/HuffYUV capping from VHS or S-VHS tapes (i.e, near maximum quality preservation on a budget, which I've been able to attain with my current set-up except for the hiccups noted above).


One modern card that has caught my eye (and I suppose would be overkill for VHS capping) is the Intensity Pro. It would seem to me that it should be able to blow the PDI Deluxe out of the water in every regard...but perhaps not? Anyone here use that card? Any other cards that might be a good choice for an upgrade from a PDI?

Thanks for taking time to read this :)

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#366710
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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Hi readers-of-this-post

Very recently I told a pal of mine about fan edits, and when he heard that there was a cut like ADM's of Pearl Harbor out there, he immediately went to Amazon and bought a 2 disc special edition set of the official thing so he could watch ADM's version (in the supportive-to-fan-edits manner requested by fanedits.org). He has the Amazon recepit to prove he made the purchase, will show it to anyone...

It seems this one is really hard to come by now in DVD/anamorphic, but: Does anyone have a DVD version of ADM's Pearl Harbor Strength and Honor who could share a copy with my pal? He would of course gladly pay the postage and blank media costs to anyone who could help him out. Again, he's really hoping for an anamophc DVD so as to get the big-screen(-TV) experience, rather than a reduced-file-size non-animorphic avi file the likes of which was apparently torrented awhile back. Thanks for listening! :)

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#325486
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Did anybody see Wall-E?
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Hey everybody! You're all correct I think! :)


-1, come on, WALL-E is fine for what it is; is better than fine compared to most of what is being produced now (based on what I've heard). Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe your biggest complaint is really lack of big technical advances. I believe your beef more lies with the idea that the best stuff out there just doesn't quite have the great magic of works from decades past. More than advances, don't you really just want your socks to be blown off from some great inspiration (even if not via a huge leap forward in technology), and much of what's out there just doesn't do that for you? Well, that's what I want anyway, more umph

-1 mentioned TRON as a film that he still holds in high regard. What?! That old thing, with CG that an N64 could practically blow out of the water?! Well, yes! :) There are some scenes in that movie that just "nail it," know what I mean? Namely the lightcycles and tanks scenes; scenes that you make clips of and watch over and over because they're just so damned cool! The filming angles, the motions of the cycles (and tanks), the editing... When Empire Strikes Back came out, the whole SDs/TIEs chase asteroid field scene :O It was like you were swirling around in your chair in the theater! One scene in a somewhat recent film that also did that for me was the "Gandolf rides to/into Minas Tirith" scene in ROTK. Very impressive stuff!

It seems that so much in the movies these days is in the realm of rehash/watered-down homages (or extreme but hollow shock value). So -1, I offer that something in the larger sense is lost and that picking on Pixar and WALL-E isn't exactly fair, although I can see the temptation as they are "at the top" of the animated CG field right now. I know that it is kind of the unwritten job of the one on top to blow us away, but unless they have implicitly stepped forward to make that claim...

To the others, surely you can see a frustration in some with what is supposedly the best that is out there. Great things in the past are ignored or blown-off (largely because they are not watched in a theater in 35mm film IMO). I'm not the best judge for WALL-E as I've seen only about 1/2 hour of it (two 15 min. segments at a movie theater), but those chunks didn't really draw me; I was not blown away and ready and eager to return to see the entire film. Does that make WALL-E a bad film to me? No. But for someone really wanting to be taken on a fantastic ride, does it offer the full goods? For me anyway, perhaps not (unless I caught two "unlucky" sections of the movie), but officially I have no opinion on the film as a whole. :)

Regarding the Pixar papers provided on the link, I kind of agree with -1 that for the most part they aren't anything too jaw dropping. A number of them are simply clever ways/shortcuts to reduce how long it takes to render scenes, which is nice to the production team but is literally a 0% difference on screen in the before and after sense. (and AOTC had pretty good CG cloth flow physics, before Ratatouille...)

There's my few cents. -1, I've obviously perhaps put some words in your mouth here so correct me if I'm off the mark. :)


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#324045
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Octorox said:

vbangle said:

Octorox said:

I personally think that ESB needs the most effects work of any of the OT. Lucas barely touched the effects (unlike ANH, where many shots were replaced with CG). And thus, ESB feels very dated (effects-wise I mean, the story is great). ANHR has a very pristine feeling because Ady chose to keep all of Lucas's CG as well as touch up and clean up the effects himself. Coming off of ANHR and watching ESB 2004, the movie looks like it was made 30 years earlier. If Ady wants his OT to feel consistent throughout, then he needs to do a LOT of work on ESB. The only elements that aren't noticeably badly composited are the walkers, and even they could use some stop motion blur or something. Everything needs it's color tweaked for consistency and I think Ady needs to really clean up all of the effects scenes. As long as we get at least as much work as was done on ANHR it should be great. This is a Revisited project, not a Preservation effort.

Adywan replaced GL's CG (or added to it) with his own CG. Adywan also dumped quite a bit of it into the bin.....thank you Adywan. :)

Actually, the only cg Ady added were new TIE fighters in the Yavin battle and the only CG he removed were some of the silly and intrusive creatures and robots in the sequence entering Mos Eisley...

I think many people have an incorrect idea of how much work goes into doing 3-D CG. To make those very few from-scratch 3-D shot elements used in ANH:R, I put in many man hours (plus three times as many un-manned rendering hours); talking months of work here, on stuff for just a handful of shots. Believe me when I say that CG software is definitely no joke -- and I'm not even a Maya user! :D
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#322947
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Mark Hamill endorses Barack Obama....
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lordjedi said:

Yada, yada, yada. What people don't realize is that Ron Paul is a true blue Libertarian. So if he did get elected, sure, he wouldn't take corporate money, but you can bet your ass that he also wouldn't put any regulations in that hamper business. If people think corporations are evil right now, wait until you live in a world with Ron Paul as President. He'd remove most taxes and remove all kinds of regulation. The free market would be truly free and I bet people would hate it. Conservatives would love it. In fact, if it weren't for his stance on Iraq, I'd support him.


Oh. Well, if I smoked weed then I might just be be doing as sean wookie is on voting day I think. Ugh. The one set of people I wish could be made president and vice next term is Bush and Cheney. I would sincerely like to see them in the white house for another four years to deal with the big fallout from what they've caused that's very likely on its way (to me it's mostly about the debt -- I am very anti-big-debt -- as Mister Mackey would say, "Debt is baaad, m'kay?":)). As it is now, the next president is going to have almost no choice but to raise taxes to do something about the debt, and that president, whoever they are, is going to get hammered for that, which I don't think is fair (while Bush and Cheney will be retiring on some pretty big nesteggs/gifts I imagine). I am actually surprised anyone wants to step into that post right now; I can't think of anything more thankless than to become US President in 2009. Anything they do to try to address most big problems will make them f**king hated and despised by huge numbers of Americans I imagine. What a terrible situation to put ones self into, isn't it?

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#322914
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Mark Hamill endorses Barack Obama....
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In many, many ways the US is still the best country on the planet to live in right now from what I've gathered from reading a number of "Where should I move to?" threads on other forums and from other hints, which makes it all the bigger shame these cracks are starting to form. Hopefully they can be healed to enough of a degree in the near future, although obviously people across the board are losing that kind of hope.


Does anyone here have thoughts on this Ron Paul guy? One of my pals says he's going to vote for him, but I haven't looked into his views in detail yet myself.

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#322832
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Mark Hamill endorses Barack Obama....
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I'm feeling pretty hopeless too. I went on a long exercise walk with some friends tonight, guys who are big on owing guns amongst other things that make them not "pansy liberals", hippies, etc., and they were venting frustrations about the paths the US is on and not on, and most of it was pretty disheartening, some of it brutal: the no-bid contract stuff you've all surely heard about (when this war supposedly has "nothing!" to do with oil), the sinkhole of debt the US is plummeting into, the steady stream of murder and rapes happening everyday in Darfur (with the perpetrators bragging about it to the world and little being done to stop it), and much more that is way f**ked up right now and seemingly getting worse in ways that Obama or anyone else likely cannot/will not do anything to make better. :( I guess I'm just glad now that I never had kids. :(
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#322433
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STAR WARS V8 - A Final Attempt (Released)
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Mother beat me to it! Yeah, you don't want to risk losing detail in the white or dark areas so you need to check your settings/captures for each project. In fact (although rare) there can occasions where one section of a film will need to have a different brightness setting than another part of that same film! And make sure your monitor is calibrated to at least some degree before all this of course (I know a lot of us can't afford a pro calibration; at least I can't).
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#321591
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STAR WARS V8 - A Final Attempt (Released)
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Darn, I was hoping you, Mother, or someone else knew a trick for easily wiping those dupe frames. If LD capturing does not give you that problem then Arnie.d, you absolutely should do averaging with LD capping! :D

Mother and G-Force, would you say that your scripts above are better than the "Average" dll that I use? I would guess it would just be a different route to exactly the same result. What could the diffference be?

Another Q: Is there any reason to use HuffYUV over Lagarith for capping now? Way back when, people generally preferred Huff over Lag, but since Lag has been worked on so much since, is it now hands-down the better of the two?

To show that this is on-topic enough, Arnie.d: So far it seems you should do five or six capture average, use the Largarith codec....and which AVS script is best will hopefully be answered soon. :)
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#321541
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STAR WARS V8 - A Final Attempt (Released)
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Hi all

(Edit: if this post is too off-topic for this thread then my apologies; got too carried away here maybe :) I'll trim this post if you want))

I have done a lot of averging with VHS captures, and I really can't see anyone who is trying to achieve higher end quality not at least giving it a try to see what they think. For me, the difference is usually quite striking when you take a close look at the image (zoom in!). I would recommend at least four captures. Beyond six is not necessary in my opinion except for the highest possible quality extraction. I use the Average dll for Avisynth. Notes:

- Do not capture uncompressed! Use HuffYUV (or something newer that does the same trick?) It is a waste of hard drive space to do uncompressed when you have HuffYUV (and other lossless codecs). :)

- If you are worried about hard drive space you can in a pinch, as said, do two captures and average them, then delete the two sources (keep the average) then do another capture, average that with your previous average, etc. Just remember that with this approach you will need to modify your "weighting" values in your AVS Average script as you go along (.5/.5 on the merging of the first two captures; .66/.34 on the second merging; .75/.25, etc.)

- At least with my set-up, the annoying situation happens of a duplicate frame being inserted by the capture card during longer captures, about one frame every four minutes (to keep sync I assume), the specific result being two frames that look 100% identical, which means one of them needs to be deleted. I search for and remove these duplicates by hand with VirtualDub, but maybe someone here knows an automated way to achieve this? You need your capture files to be exactly the same frame-by-frame in length and arrangement for averaging to work. If you are off by even one frame (from one of the inserted 'duplicates' let's say) then you
will get ghosting, which will look worse than using a single (non-averaged) capture. This step of cleaning and trimming the captures to have them all match perfectly is the biggest time-consumer, but I still say it's all worth it in the end! :)

- I have yet to capture from a LD so I'll leave the particulars of that to others to comment on. :)

At least this is my approach. Below are screengrabs of my VirtualDub windows from an example project. Obviously no processing was done other than the averaging on the second image. Look at her cheeks and forehead. Which of these would you rather start with for all the processing still ahead on a project?

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/cffe4dd077.gif
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#319578
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My top 100 Sci-fi movies.
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FanFiltration said:

Films that would be on my list of top 100 that are not on yours:
...
Stargate
He has this one at number 63.

To toss in my two cents (brave of you to open yourself up to a forum with such a list), I personally wouldn't consider Superman sci-fi, but maybe that's just me. :)
One film that does easily qualify for sci-fi that's not on your list is Gattaca, which is a pretty strong sci-fi film that's often overlooked as it's not very actiony, alieny, or fantasy-ishy :)

Thanks for sharing! :)
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#313337
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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Ah. Well, you could give it a try just five seconds worth of capture and maybe see, eh? Just cap a shot snippet 5 times ever, trim the cap avi's so they all have the same start frame, use VDub to read in the AVS averaging of the five, and output from VDub. Sometimes a view compare at 200% is pretty striking, sometimes not. Depends on a bunch of stuff of course...
If you're interested I'll give you a template avs script, but I'll reiterate that for a feature film it would likely be a lot of work (not to mention time and hard drive space) so maybe even your experimenting with this would just be wasting your time. :shrug: For short stuff though, it's usually the way to go if you're aiming for max. quality given just a PC with capping abilities and an analogue home video player.

So there's all that :)

Edit: Just saw your post, and I agree about de-noise filters. I really don't like them for my chain. The only thing I actually every used AVS for (in regards to captures) is decomb/telecide and averaging. Averaging is my de-noising for captures; avoids GIGO. :)
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#313326
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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Hi Molly

I see a bit of noise in the sky of that last shot. It's not bad, but I can't help but ask since you seem to be wanting the most out of the movie picture quality itself: have you tried doing "averaging" of multiple capture passes (via avisynth)? It is a bit of trouble, but especially where you're doing things like resizing the image, it is a nice improvement...although this method applied to a whole feature might prove too work intensive (but you can darn near reach DVD quality when you can pull it off correctly from what I've seen, assuming your capturing set-up is pretty good in the first place of course). If you've never tried it, I recommend giving it a go on really small clip capture so you can see the difference (especially when you zoom in). :)

Edit: Sorry, I see now that you don't seem to be doing the captures yourself. Nevermind. :D
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#312010
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: professa adyfan
wxm thanks for taking the time to answer
although the 3D software i was enquiring about was the stuff used to make the jabba scene into stereoscopic 3D
Oops! All those posts of my DS mesh/renders right before you post... Wrong kind of 3D. Sorry; back to our regularly scheduled program...

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#311970
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: OBtwosy
Here's a very quick, rough mockup of discart for those who desire it. The DS is not very good res, since I'm screen cap-ing it off the avi on my computer. Ady, any way I could get a higher-res of this shot of the DS?

this is a small, lo-res mockup, not intended to a downloadable graphic yet

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/83a9e3a962.jpg

I wanted to go very minimalist with wording. in fact, if I used disc art I would do this without any words at all

thoughts?
That's a cool idea for the disk art!

And for those interested (professa adyfan), I'll take the question about how the 3D stuff was done as that was in my ballpark for revisited. The 3D mesh of the DS 'plans' took me over a month to model, was done in LightWave, and the various anims using that mesh on off-and-on over the next seven months!

In regards to giving 3D software a try, just letting you know that it's cool, but not something you'll pick up in a day or two. Every aspect of it is pretty painstaking, from modeling to texturing, to rendering (and animation). It's too much to go into here. If you're interested in the how-to's, just google for "LightWave" or any of the other more widely-used-currently 3D apps (3D Max, Maya, Cinema 4D, on and on). There are many forums/websites full of people doing 3D with these programs, most of the posts on those forums being WIP threads where you can see how they get to the goal (I don't want to derail this thread into the techniques of modeling in LightWave).
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#311216
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Transformers The Movie: Resparked (Released)
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Originally posted by: reave
Good catch, thanks! I sat there typing it, knew the proper way to do it, and I still did it wrong.
Yeah, as you surely know, that's the mistake that everyone makes often, myself included (in my supposedly knowing better).

Again, nice job on this this from what I can see so far, and I hope your next waves of editing go well...and it seems musicman's tip on the soundtrack might be worth giving a go on one of them.

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#308229
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: ravensp
Here is a Preview of Possible Cover Work for Adywan's Work

any suggestions would be great

thank you

ravensp
I, personally, am not really into the hyper dramatic lighting of the X-Wing you have there; although I guess it is a different approach from many of the others so why not at least try it, right?

And it is difficult to see your cover with that particular image, as DarthBo said, so I'll refrain from more comments until we have an uncovering of sorts.