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#245537
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"BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!"
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: Vigo
I mean, isn´t it pathetic to what extend some fanboys go to defend this release?

…anamorphic DVD´s and new digital transfers have become a ->STANDARD<- in the industry
Yes, anamorphic is the standard. Yes, the current standard and the format Lucas decided to use for this release of Star Wars are not the same. Someone accepting the format (regardless of the pretzel logic behind Lucas’ decision to use it) is NOT the same as defending it.

What exactly is it that you want people to do?

Stop finding silly (and just plain wrong) excuses for themselves and others because they personally want to buy the DVD´s. But you probably would have found that out yourself if you had read my post entirely, not some portions of it to make an attempt to bust my balls here.

If they want to buy it, because they don´t care about anamorphic anhancement or other quality issues: fine with me.

But spreading some utter shit like "anamorphic changes movies" to "sweet-mouth" this release is the same as spreading "masturbating makes blind" to prevent people using cheaper methods to gain joy in life...


If someone doesn’t have a copy of the original version to watch and they would like to see it, this is the version they get to buy legally. It’s all Lucas is offering now – no matter how wrong that is.

Well said, but It is totally missing the point I was originally making. I already explained it a few times in other posts, I wonder why you, after 3 pages, are NOW waking up, trying to refer to my original post.


Everyone would like the picture quality to be higher, but this is where we are now. No matter how much you want the people who bought this release to appear as uninformed fans “blindly following” everything Lucas does


More titty twisting words going on here! Where do I say that "people, who bought this release are uninformed fans, "blindly following" everything Lucas does".


– that’s simply not the case. They’ve just decided to accept what’s currently available and not spend all day on the internet bad-mouthing Lucas and boycotting everything other than a bootleg. They’ve chosen to watch the movies instead.

Again, well said and a very heroic speech attempt, but it is totally not referring to the point I was originally making.


Originally posted by: Vigo
George, you should really have thought about creating a religion of Star Wars, since your fans show the same signs of denial and blind following …


The point I´m trying to make is how Lucas has managed to mobilize the sheer ignorance of his blind followers…


Originally posted by: Vigo
I never said that "people who are happy to get the O-OT on DVD in any format" are "blind followers"

Of course not. I wonder how anyone got that idea.


Yes. Now where is the problem? Where does it say that "people who are happy to get the O-OT on DVD in any format" are "blind followers""? Only preconcieved opinions and laying words into my mouth lead to that conclusion. Lame attempt to prove me wrong.


Originally posted by: Vigo
We are not in the year 1993 anymore,

We’re not in the year 1986 anymore either. The Beastie Boys aren’t the >standard< for teenage angst. Get a new mantra.


Ah, yes? Good to know!


Originally posted by: Vigo
…learn reading.

The verb you’re looking for would be read. As in, learn to read. By adding ing to the end of read, it became a noun. You can’t learn a noun.

YOU GOT TO FIGHT! * BOOM BOOM * FOR YOUR RIGHT!.....TO POOOOR GRAAAMMAAAR!


Well, you got me hombre!

Aber ich bin mir jedoch ziemlich sicher, dass Du nicht mal ansatzweise so gut meine Sprache sprechen kannst, wie ich Deine!

So plies exkuse som mistäkes due tu mai pour englissh practiccing here.

FLASH, I LOVE YOU! BUT WE ONLY HAVE 14 HOURS TO SAVE THE EARTH!
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#245521
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245521/action/topic#245521
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Originally posted by: Raul2106
Exactly... if it's not good enough for you to buy. Why the hell should the library?


Since when do libraries care to take DVD´s into their program judged by quality? This could also be done with books....


Especially with the anamorphic versions coming out next year.


Interesting. Source?


I think this years release should have included a $10.00 voucher towards the coming upgrade.


Dream on!

BRING ME THE BORE WORMS!
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#245518
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245518/action/topic#245518
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
So wouldn't it be the library's duty to take a stand against such an inferior release and show Lucas that library's aren't going to accept a sub standard release, even in the name of preservation?


Well, the library would contribute a great deal to our fight by making these inferior versions available, so that everyone can see how bad they look.

HAIL MING!

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#245513
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245513/action/topic#245513
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Originally posted by: Raul2106 It is a "duty" to make the discs available to the public that most people here speak so venomously against simply because they are not anamorphic...


You got it a little bit wrong, Paul.

The non-anamorphicness of this release is just the side effect of something much worse: the transfer was made with old equipment, and thus is not only non-anamorphic but lacks detail and sharpness. Ah, and those NTSC aliasing artifacts look very fancy, too, on the PAL release.

FLASH! ----> AHAAAA!!
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#245499
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245499/action/topic#245499
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Originally posted by: Raul2106
When the anamorphic digital remasters of the OOT come out people are going to find something else to complain about.


Yes, like your nose.


It doesn't matter we will find out next year. As a first time DVD release for the OOT this isn't bad. Next year will be the big one.


This wouldn´t have been bad for a "first time" DVD release in 1998. And even back then, it would have been criticised, since comparable science fiction films like "Bladerunner" have already been released anamorphically by Warner Bros on DVD in 1997, quickly surpassed by the original Alien DVD in 1999, which already contained a gorgeous, remastered and anamorphic picture transfer.
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#245496
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245496/action/topic#245496
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Originally posted by: marioxb
Look. I know what anamorphic is. I have anamorphic DVDs. I also have non-anamorphic DVDs. I was (kinda) kidding when I said it would alter the movies.


Ok, the "Just kidding!" defense.


I mean it (kinda) does.


........OR NOT??? Please elaborate!


But anyway, my main point is that anamorphic/ non-anamorphic will NEVER be a deciding factor to me.
If I had to choose from the get go, I'd probably buy anamorphic. If a newer release of any movie was released and the ONLY difference was that is was anamorphic while the previous release was simply letterboxed widescreen or whatever, I would NOT upgrade.

There very few non-anamorphic DVD´s of non 4:3 movies around. Expecially since 2001...


If the special features were better, I probably would. Anamorphic/ non-anamorpic, to me= the same thing. I watch anamorpic movies on my widescreen TV with the DVD player set to 4x3 letterbox. I like the top and bottom black bars.


Ok, that´s it! Sorry, but you are definately a nutcase! You are in the end, sacrificing A LOT OF resolution to watch your movies IN THE WRONG ASPECT RATIO!!!

If you set your DVD Player to 4:3 and watch, let´s say, a 1.85:1 movie on a 16:9 TV, you end up with something like 2.00:1 -> 2.20:1 apect ratio!

And besides, 2.35:1 movies, like *drum roll* STAR WARS, have still black bars when watched on a 16:9 TV anamorphically! 16:9 = 1.78:1


I watch all movies in full mode w/o side bars and that makes me very happy.


With lots of TOTALLY UNNECCESSARY resolution loss. Oh the pain, THE PAIN!!!!!!


I also like seeing subtitles in the black not touching the movie.


...or being pressed out completely off the frame....


I never said anamorphic was bad (well kinda as a joke), just that it never will matter for me.


Obviously, it does indeed matter to you, since you DEACTIVATE IT ON PURPOSE! HOW SICK IS THAT???


Even if my precious prequels and SEs were non-anamorphic, as long as they were widescreen, it doesnt matter to me.


Why bothering about aspect ratios?

I guess that puts a lot into perspective now....
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#245483
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245483/action/topic#245483
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't think they are doing it to "protect" Lucas, or to insinuate he is some kind of God.

Why would someone spring for a rich fat guy in the bushes, and blindly, deaf to rational arguments, fight a guerilla war with those who do not confirm his original vision? Sounds very much like a religious nut to me.


You are the one using terms like that.


Oh, here comes the titty twisting again.


That's a bit extremist of you don't you think?


Nope. Fighting for better quality conforms to the natural habit of the human race to improve itself. People working against that have an agenda, and in the Star Wars fanbase, it is most often the unconditional love and protection for their creator.

You see, on all other movies, a usual forum conversation goes like this:

Person A: This release is non-anamorphic and uses an old Laserdisc transfer. Although I would really like to have this movie, I won´t buy it, because it is not worth the money.
Person B: You are right! DVD is a high quality video format, and it is a shame this coming out in 2006.
Person C: Even the first DVD releases in 1998 were mostly anamorphic! I did not start to support this format a long time ago with my money just to see now a blatant decrease in quality.
Person D: I agree, we should not buy it. Time will pass, and a better release will surely come out, as it has always been with bad quality releases.

On Star Wars however, it goes like this:

Person A: This OOT release is non-anamorphic and uses an old Laserdisc transfer. Although I would really like to have the OOT, I won´t buy it, because it is not worth the Money.
Person B: You are right! DVD is a high quality video format, and it is a shame this coming out from Luscasfilm. George surely knows how to milk his fans dry.
Person C (religios nut): You whiney bastards! First you want these movies, then you just can complain. You guys make me sick!
Person D (another religious nut): Yeah, man! You requested the originals, so you got the originals! Making them Aniamorfic is just changing them anyway, and all this grain and dirt belongs to these movies, too! If you don´t buy them now, THEY WON´T COME OUT EVER AGAIN!!! Not that I would care, because I love the new versions soo much better! HAHAHA!
Person A & B: *sigh*
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#245469
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245469/action/topic#245469
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Still people who don't understand what Anamorphic means are not extremists, if anything they are lazy.


Master >Go-Mer-Tonic the enlighted< , lack of knowledge is no extremism, no, but SPREADING the lack of knowledge, or even worse.... FALSE KNOWLEDGE, to protect the god-creature, THIS is the extremism.
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#245466
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245466/action/topic#245466
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I can accept the O-OT on DVD regardless of wether or not it's Anamorphic = Laid back and casual.

I can only accpet the O-OT on DVD if it is presented in Anamorphic format = Less laid back and casual.


...and the most laid back and casuals are the ones who can enjoy the 40 min cut crappy Super 8 copy.


FINALLY, YOU GOT THE TRUE FAITH!!!! SEEING IS NOT BELIEVING, BUT BELIEVING IS SEEING!!! FREE YOURSELF FROM VISUAL DISTRACTIONS LIKE EVIL ANAMORPHISMS! ONLY THE PURE FAITH IS ENOUGH!


And your money. ;O)
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#245454
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245454/action/topic#245454
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/IRonic mode on/

Originally posted by: ESHBG
I don't know where my comments will fit in here but here they are anyway:

Well due to all of the discussions on here, I have been kicking around buying a newer version of one of my favorite movies I have had for a while because the newer version is an SE and includes a bonus disc, but more importantly, the movie is now anamorphic (it was just in Letterbox beofore). Well I did buy it yesterday and on my 16X9 TV, it is an AMAZING difference! ALL of my other movies are anamorphic so I never really had anything to compare it to like I did with this movie. It ws so cool to watch the Letterboxed one and then flip to the anamorphic one...complete and total night and day!

You ungrateful terrorist/extremist! Don´t you see that anamorphic and other evil eye-candy-ism is distracting you from the original faith experience? If you are a real fighter for good, you have to experience -> celibacy<- !!!!!! No one needs anamorphic-sschmanamorphic to have faith in the force and Lucas! The only thing you are supposed to do is give him your UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! ....and your money!

Ungrateful hyppocrites! Terrorists! They got what they wanted and are still terrorising around, pushing people ayway from the ONE TRUE VISION!


The GOUT was a pointless thing for me to buy in the end so I stayed away from it.


You ungrateful infidel! They look better than VHS!!!!!!!! THANK GEORGE LUCAS FOR YOUR ASS!!!!


I have a newer 16X9 DLP TV and I can't use the Zoom feature if I play the DVD through my component setting.

So I would've needed to use the A/V setting to be able to zoom in, losing even more quality on an already sub-par release AND I would've lose most (if not all) of the subtitles too! No thanks! I didn't spend good money on my TV/DVD player/Wires to have to settle and watch my favorite movies of all time, the OUT, in the worst way possible.

Ther is NO EXCUSE for your treachery!!!!!!!!!! You have been proven guilty to support the "Secret Anamorphic Split Party" of the Star Wars religion!!!! PRay that we donßt take away your SE´s and replace them with the OLD VHS COPIES!!!!


I think Lucas is playing a big game here, folks.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!


EVERY single review I have read so far is giving a thumbs up for finally releasing the OUT but a big thumbs down for the quality.

ALL UNBELIEVERS! ONLY NON.ANAMORPHIC GIVES THE TRUE VIEWING EXPERIENCE!!!!! ANAMORPHIC IS A MODERN EVIL-ISM!!!!! IT DOES BAD THINGS TO MOVIES!!!!


I think Lucas did this because A) he plans on double-dipping on fans and B) because his next release is going to wow people, and create even more hype and buzz.


THE ONLY EXPERIENCE TRUE STAR WARS FANS WANTS IS MORE MESSAGES FROM THE CREATOR! WE ARE HAPPY THAT THE CREATOR IS CONSTATLY IMPROVING HE BASE OF OUR FAITH!!!!


He is pulling the classic salemsan trick IMO:


YOU INFIDELS! THE GOUT DVD´S WERE ONLY RELEASED BECAUS EOUR CREAQTOR HAS A GOOD HEART, AND HAS LONG GONE EVOLVED FROM BEING DEPENDANT ON MATERIAL VALUES!!!


he is showing people an old "just okay" item and putting a spin on things to make it seem like if they don't get this, they will be totally out of luck.


YEAH; HUH HUH, THEY WON´T GET ANYTHING ANYMORE IF THEY DON´T BUY THIS RELEASE!!!!


All the while he knows the new models are on the assembly line, are of much better quality and will definitely wow people when they come out. So the people who bought the oldq model will want to buy the new model too!



INFIDEL! THE WAY OUR FAITH IS PRESENTED NOW ON THE GOUT IS THE WAY PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED OUR FAITH EVER SINCE!!!!


I HIGHLY doubt a company like LFL is going to let a low-quality release be thier latest buzz for very long...


THY CREATOR WILL DO AS THY CREATOR PLEASES!
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#245445
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245445/action/topic#245445
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Originally posted by: marioxb
The main reason for me to have them on DVD (and I do know what anamorphic does)


Yes we have heard that from you... Anamorphic changes the movies! Anamorphic is evil-doing to movies!


, I just dont care and never have), is because I want to watch everything on the same format. VHS can wear out, DVDs cant.


This is interesting, "DVD´s can´t wear out". Exactly as interesting as "anamorphic changes the movie".


You can skip to any scene on DVD, and the picture quality is usually better than VHS.


Usually, but some releases come closer to VHS quality than others.... Hmmmm....

But then again:

Suddenly, all the years of technical achievements mean nothing anymore. Those who question your decisions are spoiled ungrateful children now. Years of continuing increase in quality are forgotten. After all, they look better than the old VHS, wasn´t all this DVD- Schmeeveedee about? Looking better than VHS?



I have never had a desire to own a laserdisc player, though I do own a few discs for some reason. All I am saying is that I am happy now. I like the SEs, but I just wanted to have both versions on DVD. All we need now is the 1997 SEs and all of the unreleased extras. All done.


If you are happy with this release: fine. After all, it is non-anamorphic NTSC, thus exactly the same like you watched it in the movie theatres, isn´t it? Everything else would just be a massive alteration of the original viewing experience....... AND WE ABSOLUTELY DON´T WANT THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE REQUESTED THE ORIGINALS, WE DON´T WANT TO BE UNGRATEFUL ANAL RETENTIVE SISSIES ! ONLY REAL MEN CAN TAKE THE ORIGINAL VIEWING EXPERIENCE!

Hmm, but I wonder how people in PAL lands have watched them in CINEMAS.... NONSENSE, ENDURING UPSCALED NTSC SEPERATES REAL MEN FROM THE PUSSIES!!!!
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#245441
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245441/action/topic#245441
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
If Anamorphic doesn't change shit, then why do so many here seem to think it's such a huge issue?

Hmm, good question. I guess we could be happy with our VHS copies aswell, don´t we? Since these are still basically the same movies then.

Beware: anamorphic enhancement makes your penis smaller! It is an evil ploy thought up by OOT extremist to draw George´s good name into the mud! And yes, they are all communists!


Calling people who are happy to get the O-OT on DVD in any format "blind followers" or "religious extremists" just because they aren't nearly as anal retentive about what format it is delivered in as the rest of us is a bit on the ironic side no?


Now comes the last desperate measure of the uninformed: titty twisting words around, and instead of discussing the topic, making a discussion about the discussion.

1. I never said that "people who are happy to get the O-OT on DVD in any format" are "blind followers" or "religious extremists". Don´t give yourself up, learn reading.
2. What I despise most if people, who "ain´t know shit about these technical hoopaloopa" get vocal on this release, and phrasing empty, meaningless sentences like "amanorphic changes the movies". Ah, and people, who are titty twisting words in my mouth.

Why are YOU so retentive about these DVD´s aswell? YOU COULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH YOUR OLD VHS EDITIONS! But no, you are such a quality whore and buy these on these new puny digital disc formats! YOu have lost the pure faith in the FORCE and its creator! YOur eyes can decieve you, don´t trust them! Trust in your creator! These movies are just shells to something more revolutionary.... It is..... PURE FAITH!!!!! YOU GOT TO SEE THE LIGHT!!!!!!

DID YOU SEE THE LIGHT??????

YOU GOT TO FIGHT! * BOOM BOOM* FOR YOUR RIGHT! TO LOOOOW QUALITYYYYY!

This is so ridiculous...



Flash Gordon is anyway waaaayyy much better than Star Wars. It has more colours, a MUCH better DVD transfer, and the chicks are hotter. It deserves the better transfer, sinces the OOT is sooo historically irrelevant...


Sheesh, they must have spent gazillions of money investing in this anamorphic Transfer of Flash Gordon... I wish George would have so much money..... But yes, it´s worth the effort, since Flash Gordon easily outsells something so unimportant than Star Wars...
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#245420
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245420/action/topic#245420
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The point I´m trying to make is how Lucas has managed to mobilize the sheer ignorance of his blind followers, and I think the comparision between religious fanatics is quite justified. Fanatics don´t believe and understand progress, yet they consider themselves being able to have a word with people who actually understand what´s going on.

It´s funny how these people percieve anamorphic enhancement as something completely new, which has been recently developed...
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#245401
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245401/action/topic#245401
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Originally posted by: marioxbAnimorphic would be altered as well.


Every time someone claims that, he or she should be banned immediately form this forum. I can´t hear it anymore. I mean, the DVD format reaches its 10th birthday soon, and yet there are still so many uninformed people around spreading their filth, it´s not funny anymore.

I mean, isn´t it pathetic to what extend some fanboys go to defend this release? We are not in the year 1993 anymore, anamorphic DVD´s and new digital transfers have become a ->STANDARD<- in the industry since long time ago. Yesterday, I watched my Kinowelt Flash Gordon RC2 release from 2001 in excellent quality on my 16:9 display. Hell, even when I bought my DVD player back in 1999, ALL my DVD´s I had bought with it were anamorphically enhanced and still look good today.

People seem to have the misconception that remastering a movie means to put a lot of money into it. During the past years in the DVD era, lots of significant achievemts in film and computer technology were made. Digitally transferring a 35mm film print, what was once a tedious and expensive process, has long become affordable even for small studios. Many classic movies have reappeared on DVD in new glory, carefully restaured using the best elements and the finest care from people who have shown lots of dedication to the preservation of motion picture history. We are one step away from the worldwide mass introduction of a new Television format, which will set the bar for quality even higher.

Now watch this OOT release in the year 2006 A.D., and the people around it.

George is a genious. No seriously, I mean it. You are the king of the masses, the true personification of mainstream. Your opinion counts, and people will follow you and your original vision. "Anamorphic? What is that?" your followers ask, but instantly come to the conclusion that if you have decided against it, it must be for a good reason. Most of us haven´t heard about it at all, so it must be some kind of ploy of the unbelievers to drag your good Lord name into the mud. After all, the unbelievers should be grateful that they got anything at all, since they have seperated themselves from the pure faith, not worshipping your original vision.

George, you should really have thought about creating a religion of Star Wars, since your fans show the same signs of denial and blind following which can easily be compared to radical extremists.

Suddenly, all the years of technical achievements mean nothing anymore. Those who question your decisions are spoiled ungrateful children now. Years of continuing increase in quality are forgotten. After all, they look better than the old VHS, wasn´t all this DVD- Schmeeveedee about? Looking better than VHS?

George, you are wonderful. We should thank you now, buy more, and just be happy!
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#245103
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Limited Edition Packaging Scans
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245103/action/topic#245103
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: Raul2106
Alien features the original theatrical version along with the special editon and it doesn't say anything about remastering that version. The DVDs say they are the "original theatrical version". See this is the reason why Star Wars fans are considered impossible to please. You want anamorphic? You got it! The 2004 editions give you all the anamorphic enhancement and craptacular remastering you could ever ask for. The theatrical versions are EXACTLY what they are supposed to be. Honestly, this release has something in it for everybody especially those who didn't buy the 2004 boxset. Next year when we get the 30th Anniversary boxset people will be complaining again so we should all look forward to that!


Here is the specs for the Alien (2 disc) to prove my point. Notice there is nothing here about "anamorphic". Also you will notice that the original theatrical version is not listed as digitally remastered either.

Features:
Disc 1
Full-Length Audio Commentary by Director Ridley Scott, Writer Dan O'Bannon, Executive Producer Ronald Shusett, Editior Terry Rawlings, Actors Sigourney Weaber, Tom Skerrit, Veronica Cartwright, Harry Dean Stanton and John Hurt (for both versions
1979 Theatrical Version
2003 Director's Cut (Digitally Remastered)
Introduction by Ridley Scott

Disc 2
Behind-the-Scenes Featurettes, Including - "Star Beast: Developing the Story," "The Visualists: Direction and Design," "Truckers in Space: Casting." "The Eighth Passenger: Creature Design, Sigourney Weaver Screen Test, "The Chestbuster: Creature Design
Multi-Angle Scene Studies
Still Photo Galleries
Deleted and Extended Scenes, and More!
Video:
Widescreen 2.35:1 Color

I am as big a fan as the rest of you. I have done some fan editing too. For an "official" DVD I don't have a problem with the theatrical release. Star Wars in not the only film to present it's theatrical version in a non-anamorphic state and that is my entire point. I am not saying that I wouldn't appreciate anamorphic enhancement with some clean up. However this is acceptable in my opinion and if we do not get a remastering next year thats fine too. Lucasfilm did give us THE ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSIONS. Clearly these are better transfers than the 1993 Laserdiscs and the bootlegs. My technical knowledge on the subject is what is motivating my position. Obviously Lucasfilm felt that the original trilogy did not warrent ANY enhancement. Lucas didn't touch it because he knew that SOME would consider anamorphic enhancement and print clean up as an alteration. I don't blame him because everybody is a critic and wants things their own specific way. At least by releasing it as is he cannot be bashed because he didn't present the original versions. Oh wait a second... THIS IS A STAR WARS FORUM so no matter what he does people are going to bash him to hell for one reason or another.



Are you braindead?!? That dvd is seamless branched. So 99% of the time you are looking at the DIGITALLY REMASTERED image even if you select to watch the original theatrical version!!!!!! It's nice isn't it? A remastered theatrical version. Yeah, you know all about the technical side of things.


The Alien DVD from the 2003 Legacy Edition has the same nice picture quality as the original 1999 DVD release.
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#245102
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Limited Edition Packaging Scans
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245102/action/topic#245102
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Originally posted by: Raul2106
Alien features the original theatrical version along with the special editon and it doesn't say anything about remastering that version.

Yeah, because most of the classic movies released to DVD are remastered nowadays. The DVD of the original theatrical version of Alien, which btw came out in 1999, looks like day and night compared to the official OOT release. Fox has an excellent reputation of releasing quality versions of old movies, granted they were absolutely not happy being forced to release this substandard product.


The DVDs say they are the "original theatrical version". See this is the reason why Star Wars fans are considered impossible to please.


Argumenting or logical conclusions are apparently not your strongest side...


You want anamorphic? You got it! The 2004 editions give you all the anamorphic enhancement and craptacular remastering you could ever ask for. The theatrical versions are EXACTLY what they are supposed to be.

Nope. The original Star Wars, released in 1977, was presented on 35mm anamorphic film in 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Like all those fanboys who get vocal on this issue, you have absolutely no clue about film technology. A single 35mm frame, even from a release copy, can hold much more picture information than HDTV.


Honestly, this release has something in it for everybody especially those who didn't buy the 2004 boxset. Next year when we get the 30th Anniversary boxset people will be complaining again so we should all look forward to that!

If rumors are true that these movies are again being tampered with, yes you can bet that we are going to complain further.


Here is the specs for the Alien (2 disc) to prove my point. Notice there is nothing here about "anamorphic". Also you will notice that the original theatrical version is not listed as digitally remastered either.


I own both the original DVD release from 1999 and the Legacy Boxset from 2003, and you know what? Both DVD´s have a nice, crisp anamorphic transfer of Alien. So, what now, fanboy? Pretty embarassing to write about something, which you apparently did not watch or own yourself, isn´t it?

I have lots of other movies, which are apparently more important than the OOT of Star Wars, since they have a nice and anamorphic picture transfer:

Flash Gordon (1980)
They Live! (1987)
Airplane! (1980)
Legend (1985)
Ewoks (1985)
Willow (1987)


I am as big a fan as the rest of you.


Nope, you defend that the OOT should be looking worse than these movies I listed above. You call yourself a fan, and defend bad quality, very embarassing and pathetic for you.


I have done some fan editing too.


Whooooo!


For an "official" DVD I don't have a problem with the theatrical release. Star Wars in not the only film to present it's theatrical version in a non-anamorphic state and that is my entire point.


Dude, we are in the year >twothousandandsix<, not >nineteenninetyeight< ,


I am not saying that I wouldn't appreciate anamorphic enhancement with some clean up. However this is acceptable in my opinion and if we do not get a remastering next year thats fine too.


Great fan you are. You approve that the original movies, which started this whole franchise, are being treated as a substandard waste product. Bravo!


Lucasfilm did give us THE ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSIONS.


According to this logic, we could have been eternally happy with, let´s say, the VHS releases of the 80´s.


Clearly these are better transfers than the 1993 Laserdiscs and the bootlegs.


In some aspects, but not all. I live in PAL land, and I am VERY angry they DID NOT USE the PAL videomasters used for my THX PAL laserdiscs. They might look better than some fan preservations, but they sure as hell look worse than most of my movies I have in posession, including movies of the 20´s, 30´s, 40´s and 50´s. Metropolis, a film made in 1927, looks VASTLY SUPERIOR in terms of picture quality to this messy DVD release of the OOT.


My technical knowledge on the subject is what is motivating my position.


Nope, your LACK of knowledge apparently is motivating your position.


Obviously Lucasfilm felt that the original trilogy did not warrent ANY enhancement.


Say what????


Lucas didn't touch it because he knew that SOME would consider anamorphic enhancement and print clean up as an alteration.


Sure, fanboy. Of course, according to this, a video transfer made in 1993 is a totally accurate presentation of how these movies were projected in 1977, 1980 and 1983.


I don't blame him because everybody is a critic and wants things their own specific way. At least by releasing it as is he cannot be bashed because he didn't present the original versions. Oh wait a second... THIS IS A STAR WARS FORUM so no matter what he does people are going to bash him to hell for one reason or another.


I make it short for you: Idiot.

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#245011
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Help Wanted: Despaired fan of the german OOT seeks help on where to find information on how to create a fan edit
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Mir ist auch aufgefallen, dass in der deutschen Version ein paar Sachen fehlen, weshalb ich mir vorgenommen habe, den Sound von der Silverscreen Laserdisk zu digitalisieren und nebenbei auch den "KRIEG DER STERNE" Textlauf zu restaurieren. Kann zwar noch etwas dauern, ist aber definitiv bei mir angesagt!
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#245007
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German ANH DVD OOT audio track: Entire part of dialogue missing in Chapter 13
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The problem is that the German dubbing of Star Wars is cult for people, who have heard it for the past 29 years and have gotten used to it. You have to understand that in Germany, about 95%-99% of the movies are dubbed here, and this is the reason why some kind of culture has developed around this. I know its hard to understand, since most of the people here are English native speakers, and do most of the times not need to have something dubbed. This is why German dubbings are well made most of the time and Star Wars is one dub which was REALLY well made! If lines are missing in the German dialogue, Fox has really screwed up by providing us an inferior product, which is just plain intolerable.

Btw, since DVD, I watch all English speaking movies in their original language. It has vastly improved my English,

It was really funny watching "Das Boot" and "Lola rennt" in english dubbing.

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#244149
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Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
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Originally posted by: ronlaw
This grain issue is really odd. That shot of the back of the stormtropper makes it very obvious.

Speculation:
- this is too much grain to be film grain
- it looks like single-pixel noise, "as if" added in post
- my guess is that the Telecine was quite crappy, and added this noise for one reason or another
- and that the LD mod-demod smooths out the fine noise because it can't resolve single pixels from the D1 master.


What is so odd about film grain? I have seen now the GOUT, and I must say that the grain is very predictable. In shots with special effects, it is worse, in shots in the desert, it is also worse due to the filming conditions, and in most other shots, it is normal. The special effect shots in space are not grainy, because they were shot in VistaVision. Other special effects movies behave exactly the same way.

The truth is: we are not used anymore to watch Star Wars this way. In the SE´s, they have recomposited everything with the computer, so all the grain which comes due to heavy optical printing is lost.

And the Laserdiscs were most probably created with heavy DVNR, and you can clearly see that on the examples i posted in another thread. And I´m afraid that it is one HEAVY drawback if you want to remaster these films using the LD sources.
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#244142
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Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244142/action/topic#244142
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Originally posted by: seventiesfilmnut
I believe it's just the primitive 1993 era DVNR at work creating this grain, which is more visually obvious on the GOUT DVD mastered from the master-tape, than the LD releases. Pity they didn't create the mastertape first, then add the DVNR at a later stage. Fo rthis release we could have then skipped the grain!


DVNR = Shit !

I am actually very pleased that you can see the film grain on the GOUT discs. This IMHO make them better than the fan preservations. If you apply DVNR to it, you get a mushy looking "video" look, which you have on a lot of DVD´s from 1998-2002, when big studios thought DVNR is a good idea... This way, it looks actually like film.
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#244111
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The 1977 Crawl.
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I have found another indication that it is the origal crawl!

Start the film and pause it on the first frame where the STAR WARS logo appears. Now advance 11 frames. You see fixed dirt on the lens between the lower connection line of the "S" and the "T"!

Now someone has to check on the EOD 1977 crawl if these dirt pieces appear in the same spot.