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#255675
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Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255675/action/topic#255675
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Originally posted by: Dunedain
Watching it on a set top HD-DVD or Blu-Ray movie player would eliminate any need to worry about handling H264 encoded video, and no video quality would have to be lost. I assume the original H264 encoded version was kept for backup purposes.

Zeromancer: You mean like when aliens are speaking that is all printed in German right in the picture area itself (not in the bottom black bar), but the human voices are all in English?


We Germans dub 99.9% of all foreign movies into our language. So someone would have to re-insert the original audio track into the stream. You would still have to cope with the German textcrawl, but hey man, those pictures look gorgeous!
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#255650
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A New Hope HDTV screenshots
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255650/action/topic#255650
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This is so great, so much details now to spot!

Bad cgi

Look at Han´s hand, especially the pointing finger overlapping Jabba! Now we can see how badly the cgi has been inserted into the original shot.

This converted me right on the spot now. We need the OOT in HDTV! My gosh, these images are WORLDS apart from standard resolution Television. The sharpness of the 30 year old film stock is just amazing!
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#247210
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Info: Best OUT materials at Lucasfilm?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247210/action/topic#247210
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After a very short restauration session:

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5425/rebelcel2nxb6.jpg

If the image would have been better (no jpeg compression, higher resolution), the results would have been better. Han has a Pink shirt, because the RED layer lacks a lot of detail due to jpeg compression.

I just rebalanced the RED, GREEN and BLUE layer by hand. No further changes were made, i did not retouch the image. I know that film works in the CMYK domain, but the heavy JPEG compression worked against that.

@Mielr : if you have better scans or more pictures, BRING EM ON!
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#246901
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What's Original '77 and What's Not?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246901/action/topic#246901
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But speaking of comparisons to the EoD crawl ... whatever became of the controvery that the words "STAR WARS" disappear far earlier in relation to the crawl on the EoD version than on the new DVD? Completely subjectively, it seems to me that "STAR WARS" does indeed remain on the screen far too long into the crawl's appearance.

Don't get me wrong ... I'm eager and willing to be shown that the crawl is the real deal. And I incline in that direction right now.


Someone (I think Zion) posted a 35mm frame of the original crawl where the Star Wars Logo is still seen when the crawl starts.
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#246492
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Lucasfilm to sell Physical Effects Unit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246492/action/topic#246492
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Originally posted by: zombie84
I think its ultimately the way the character is concieved and directed. I mean Gollum looks utterly realistic and his performance is one of the best in the entire LOTR trilogy, which itself is brimming with fine performances. Ultimately it comes down to how you use it. Watto was very well done. I wouldnt want any of those two characters done by puppets or stop motion or suites or anything. Ultimately the bottom line is that most of the CGI characters weren't used properly by Lucas.


This all comes because Andy himself was on the set and played his performance to the actors. The CGI artists matched his performance, facial expressions to the CGI model.

While on Star Wars, there were just stand-ins used for the cgi characters, which explains the dry and stiff reaction from the real actors to them.

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#246482
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246482/action/topic#246482
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Originally posted by: RichardPX3
I just think it's so funny that stupid guy claiming to have information and the mod shuts it down. See nobody actually believed his bullshit.

Did you read my response to your "response" ? Or are you just going to dodge it?

Originally posted by: RichardPX3
Hey fuck you! He was a loser that was spreading lie so Zion put a stop to it.


Guess who s going to be stopped next? Someone insulting others like that here is, well, we don´t want to sink to your verbal/spiritual kind of level now, do we?
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#246480
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246480/action/topic#246480
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I am a little unclear about the specifics here.

So Lowry Digital got a digital transfer of the SE that Lucas made by permanantly altering the original negatives (to clean up for the DVD release), and they also got a digital copy of the unaltered trilogy so he could match up the color timing? Is that right?

How do we know all of this?

I could now dig all these informations, articles and sites up for you, but then again, why should I? >> I << know what I have been reading, and numerous others, too. >> YOU << are the one who wants being informed. So inform yourself.

For a start, google for "STAR WARS" "LOWRY". There you go.

Then you may find this

http://www.visimag.com/ultimatedvd/d58_feat01.htm

“It all began with the work by ILM to transfer the film from film to the digital format,” he says. “Then we moved data back and forth from San Raphael down to our place in Burbank on disk, on hard drives.


The rest, I´ll leave that to you. I promise you´ll find everything said by me. From official articles.
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#246463
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OOT Anamorphic Widescreen 2007
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246463/action/topic#246463
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Whoa. So what if the dude's lying? Why go into a frenzy about it? That's what spoiled that other thread, so please let's not go down that road again (although at least it wouldn't be a total derail here).

It's the frenzy that should be the cause of locking a thread, not some information that may or not be leaky Lucasfilm gunk.


And I understand about skepticism on the internet. But it cracks me up that RichardPX3 quotes someone from Lucasfilm to debunk Raul. That company's PR deparment is a proven source of lies, whereas Raul's veracity is at least unknown.

In any event, if you can't give Raul the benefit of the doubt, fine. Just lay off the tirades, please.


Well there is always one problem, and if Paul would be real, he would most probably have known it: such an announcement always generates huge excitement. But you know the nature of human, where there is much love, there also can be much... nah?

Ok from now: benefit of the doubt.

But if its not true: well...

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#246457
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246457/action/topic#246457
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Here is what they said in the form letter linked to by OriginalTrilogy.com.
As you may know, an enormous amount of effort was put into digitally restoring the negatives for the Special Editions. In one scene alone, nearly 1 million pieces of dirt had to be removed, and the Special Editions were created through a frame-by-frame digital restoration. The negatives of the movies were permanently altered for the creation of the Special Editions, and existing prints of the first versions are in poor condition.
How can we verify that they sent a great technicolor print to Lowry digital?


They did not get a print, they got a digital master from the negatives. If they would have gotten a Technicolor dye print, they couldn´t have mastered the SE for DVD....
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#246442
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246442/action/topic#246442
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
They say the original negatives were permanantly altered when they created the special editions. They also say the prints they do have are all in poor quality.


While it really seems that the O-NEG was permanently altered when the SE was created, they NEVER said the prints they have are all in poor quality.

Quite the contrary, Lucas prided himself with the fact that he owns a Technicolor dye transfer of STAR WARS, which was used as a reference when they retimed the colours in the SE. We also know form various sources that many UK prints of STAR WARS are also Technicolor dye prints, since the UK had the last Technicolor lab which could create such high quality copies.

The original 35mm master for the OOT release was apparently a 35mm copy, NOT the negative. The differences in burning marks and framing between the PAL and NTSC version proves this.

Other than that, there are films which have been in much worse condition and were much older than Star Wars which could be restored in excellent quality on DVD.

Lots of PR talk going on.
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#246438
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OOT Anamorphic Widescreen 2007
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246438/action/topic#246438
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Originally posted by: Raul2106
I'm just apathetic thats all. I was excited now I'm just hoping my source comes through with some more stuff. I mean nobody loses anything if I am right.


The problem is, people obviously don´t like being lied to. And the easiest method to decieve someone is talking over the internet in forums.

What you are talking about is that you would have brand hot access to insider information, which could quite possibly cause some people to lose their jobs at LFL. Don´t you think it IS indeed appropriate that we encounter your claims here with great scepticism? You are right, nobody (at least nobody here ) loses anything if you are right. Quite the contrary, it would easily spread like wildfire through the world if your claims would be true, you would have more than just your 15 min of fame. But on the contrary, it is quite frustrating to, let´s say, being decieved into believing some else´s "horseshit".

If you can´t understand this, to me it is already an indication that you are indeed lying to us. Someone with information THAT important should know that without a proof, hardly anyone would believe you.
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#246434
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What's Original '77 and What's Not?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246434/action/topic#246434
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Now, i wonder--is the entire opening shot (ie crawl+stardestroyer) a new transfer as well? Because that original shot on the laserdisk had a different starfield did it not? Or is the new crawl simply blended with the old star destroyer shot? I ask this because if the whole thing is from a new transfer that may indicate that LFL has material ready for a pristine transfer of the OOT, and may even have already done such a scan.


The stardestroyer scene looks clearly better than the rest of the film, and it is the original shot, since you can see the original black corners around the star destroyer when it overlaps with the moon.

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#246424
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What's Original '77 and What's Not?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246424/action/topic#246424
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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: zombie84
Someone needs to do a layered composite of the two crawls to see if they sync up down to the pixel.
It's not necessary... the crawl is obviously an optical composite.. here, I'll show you...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9091/crawlhf3.gif

Notice 2 things... on the "a" is a "dark star" that goes over the text, and over the "e" a scratch appears in 1 frame. This would not be the case if it was a digital recreation.


Boris, I said a lot of nasty things to you in the past (which many of them are still true IMHO).

But this is a really nice catch you made!

If you like, you can make another screenshot from the other fault I reported above. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Honestly, I think most people were a little bit too fast here to dismiss the textcrawl as CGI generated. I was expecting this too, but to my surprise, IT REALLY SEEMS TO BE THE ORIGINAL. Problem is, these most probably false claims from us have started to spread around...

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#246420
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What's Original '77 and What's Not?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246420/action/topic#246420
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Originally posted by: Zion
About the opening crawl...

If you watch it closely, you can see that the stars wobble like hell, but the text doesn't. one might immediately assume that it is a digital recreation, but if you look at the crawl from Empire of Dreams, it does the exact same thing. Now I don't know if anyone knows for sure where the EOD crawl came from, but if anyone can say for a fact that it was a direct film capture, I'll believe that the GOUT crawl is the real deal plus some minor cleanup and color correction.


As I already said earlier, if you freeze frame the FIRST frame the "STAR WARS" logo appears, and advance 11 frames, you can see DIRT on the lens between the lower connection of the "S" and "T".

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#245556
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&quot;BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245556/action/topic#245556
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Why do I have a feeling that the majority of people who are critical of those who've purchased the DVDs, have not actually seen the DVDs for themselves? I think a lot of this is people "protesting too much" and trying to talk themselves out of buying the DVDs.


I have been waiting for this statement, and now I have to confess:

I BOUGHT EPISODE IV OF THE GOUT JUST TO SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES.

Some aspecs of the transfer are nice, compared to the fan preservations. Like natural grain and enhanced horizontal resolution. And the colours are again how I remembered Star Wars.

But most aspects are unquestionable ridiculous. The "double line" artifacts on this release clearly makes it ->totally<- unacceptable.

If some people can live with this, fine. Let them enjoy these DVD´s.

But these are, and this is a not deniable fact, worse than about 90% of the DVD´s I own in my posession (386).

Flash Gordon, my favourite example of a movie which is apparently more important than the OOT, looks like a brand new movie compared to this shoddy release! Well, the European Kinowelt release does. Imagine, a very small (compared to Fox and Lucasfilm) German label manages to bring this really trashy movie in a nearly pristine quality to DVD!

Nope, this OOT release is NOT of good quality. There is , from my point of view, ABSOLUTELY no argument against this. You simply can not defend this release without trying to lie about the facts, or deliberately badmouthing those who rightfully oppose this release.