Vaderisnothayden

Davnes007 said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Davnes007 said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Davnes007 said:

So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.

 How desperately constructive.

It's far more constructive than going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes.

No it's not. Not at all. I was sincerely discussing. You were just being spiteful. And calling my point "going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes" shows you didn't read it properly. I couldn't care less whether it makes sense for people of other cultures/planets to wear clothing like that. What I care about is that such clothing is there in the PT for pretentious reasons and that it makes these supposed Star Wars films all the sillier and that it's a manifestation of the overall mentality problem that's behind the prequels being so bad. 

It's amazing how you're trying to disprove my point ... by proving my point - You're STILL going on and on about the clothes!

 

I was merely correcting your mistaken view of what I was saying. That proves no point of yours -it doesn't make what I was saying unconstructive and it doesn't make what I was saying into something about whether people from another planet can wear elaborate clothes. Nor does it make sense for you to complain about me clarifying my view when it was you who provoked that by misrepresenting what I was saying.

And for anybody who thinks this thread is endless, they should look at the page count -two pages. This discussion has not gone on long and neither it nor the thread have proven to be endless. So many discussions on this board go on so much longer. And if people are going to come on here to misrepresent my opinion like that Davnes guy did then it's only reasonable for me to clarify my position. If somebody takes pot shots at me, do you really expect me not to respond? So yes, this thread will keep going as long as anybody continues to give me trouble for daring to disagree with a few people. It should not be considered a crime to stand by your opinion, not even when a few people think you're wrong.

The opening poster thought Padme's hairstyles were overdone, a perfectly natural opinion, and here I thought it wasn't a crime to agree with that view.

It was the most spirited and enthusiastic.

Davnes007 said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Davnes007 said:

So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.

 

 How desperately constructive.

It's far more constructive than going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes.

 

No it's not. Not at all. I was sincerely discussing. You were just being spiteful. And calling my point "going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes" shows you didn't read it properly. I couldn't care less whether it makes sense for people of other cultures/planets to wear clothing like that. What I care about is that such clothing is there in the PT for pretentious reasons and that it makes these supposed Star Wars films all the sillier and that it's a manifestation of the overall mentality problem that's behind the prequels being so bad. 

AxiaEuxine said:

Yes, RotJ is by FAR the worst film in the OT.

No way. It's a cool film. As good as ANH.

And I love the SE ending to RotJ, that music is so much better than that cornball yub yub song anyday. Seriously, yub yub is supposed to be the end to the Star Wars movie saga...I say no.

No, the upbeat yub yub song is true to what ROTJ's ending is supposed to be. The new downbeat music amounts to an attempt to warp the ending of the movie. Which is of course what it is. It shows a lack of understanding of the movie. As does the insertion of the other planet celebration scenes just where they can break up the delicate emotional flow of the movie and the atmosphere. Finally, the Hayden addition is the purest malicious vandalism which screws up something really good.

Um, does this mean ROTJ can't be restored with the original music?

Davnes007 said:

So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.

 How desperately constructive.

Cashing in accompanied by movies (particularly good movies) strikes me as more acceptable merchandising (to my mind less cashing in) than cashing in that is accompanied by no movies. I feel the 90s cashing-in stank. Star Wars was mostly all cash-in then, unlike before when it was the movies and their accompanying material. And when the 90s cash-in was finally accompanied by movies, they were mutilations of Star Wars. The huge 90s movie-less cash-in left a bad taste in my mouth. There were so many more Star Wars books in the 90s than in the 70s or 80s and I never could see the point to so many of them. So many books and games and this and that -there wasn't that bulk of that stuff back in the old days, though you could get Star Wars party cups if you wanted them.

Sluggo said:

How long do you think it would take someone to actually style their hair that way?

No wonder the trade federation chose to invade Naboo.  By the time Amidala got ready for the camera to protest, the invasion would be over.

lol!

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

 You're rationalizing it. The reality is that the prequel films way overdid this sort of costume because the people making them clearly got too into making everything elaborate and opulent. It was not necessary to do that and it adds to the bullshit feel of the films.

rcb said:

come on people. its a different universe, different customs, different planets. here on earth, we have a custom to wear certain things when attending events. the cultures around the world have different ways of dressing. the SWU is full of planets with their own cultures.

Again, this is rationalizing it rather than looking at what's actually going on.

The OT clothing is reasonable science fiction clothing. The prequel clothing is pompous and pretentious. And there might be some reason for such clothing in a republic that's declining and decadent, but it's taken too far. To the point where they're clearly showing off "Look at the fancy outfits we designed for these films!"

 

 Why are perfectly reasonable explanations for the costumes 'rationalizing?' Is it rationalizing to think that the OT, which is peopled by rebels, farmers, and officers in the fascist navy (and Lando, the administrator of a mining operation too small for the unions to notice) would dress differently than the PT, which is filled with the most important people on the galactic political scene?

I'm also curious as to who the arbiter of 'reasonable science fiction clothing' is? Where's the benchmark? Flash Gordon? Logan's Run? The 5th Element?

If Lando's cape was ok, would it have been ok if it was embroidered? What if he had spats? What if they were dirty spats? Could he wear spats and a hat? When we he look like an idiot? Were the flashing lights on Vader's chest in ESB and ROTJ a step towards idiocy? He had a little chrome nose too. Was that too much?

You told me to go to Wookiepedia. I did. Was it Sio Bibble who looked like an idiot, in his dark blue doublet? Was Mas Amada overdressed for his job as seargent at arms for the Senate of the Entire Galaxy? Was it those tarted up Jedi in their austere robes? Dooku in his black shirt and slacks? Was the Prime Minister of Kamino overdressed? You say they all look like idiots, I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about.

Why are perfectly reasonable explanations for the costumes 'rationalizing?' Is it rationalizing to think that the OT, which is peopled by rebels, farmers, and officers in the fascist navy (and Lando, the administrator of a mining operation too small for the unions to notice) would dress differently than the PT, which is filled with the most important people on the galactic political scene?

They're only perfectly reasonable explanations if you're trying to make excuses for the PT's costumes. Otherwise it's pretty easy to see how the outfits are overdone. Yes it's rationalizing. Classic rationalization, because it sounds like it makes sense until you look at it close up and then you can see it doesn't work, when you take in the whole the whole reality of what we're talking about.

And just because people are important doesn't mean they're going to be dressed up especially elaborately. Look at the important people of our day -are they all dressed in outfits vastly more elaborate than the common person? No they are not, so it is not necessary to dress the top people so much differently from people less important. Dressing the important people in a way that so loudly announces their higher status is something that goes with a very unegalitarian society. It doesn't fit a democratic republic. There might be more reason for it in a decadent declining corrupt democratic republic, but only so far. Lando's outfit is quite fancy enough. Characters don't need to be dressed vastly more elaborately than that. And one conspicuous PT senator WAS dressed in that style -Bail Organa. That should have been the standard. You might throw in a few people more elaborate in their outfit, but not to the extent of prequels, which overdo it but good.

And why do you keep asking me who I'm talking about as if I've given you no examples when I've already pointed out (as classic examples) the queens of Naboo and the senators trying to found the rebellion in the dvd deleted-but-canon ROTS scenes?

I'm also curious as to who the arbiter of 'reasonable science fiction clothing' is? Where's the benchmark? Flash Gordon? Logan's Run? The 5th Element?

Different types of science fiction clothing are going to be reasonable for different types of science fiction. You seem to be trying to obscure the issue by bringing up examples of science fiction that is exceptional in its clothing. But there is plenty science fiction that goes by a more moderate standard and Star Wars fitted in with that back in the OT days. The OT's clothing was reasonable for what the OT was supposed to be. The PT's clothing is not reasonable and is a clear case of overdoing it.

If Lando's cape was ok, would it have been ok if it was embroidered? What if he had spats? What if they were dirty spats? Could he wear spats and a hat? When we he look like an idiot?

Well you'd have to show me the costume before I'd know. A costume can be described vaguely in words but you don't really know how it's going to work out until you see it, unless it's something especially extreme. But at a certain point, a costume will cross the line and become too much, or too much if there's many costumes like it.

Were the flashing lights on Vader's chest in ESB and ROTJ a step towards idiocy? He had a little chrome nose too. Was that too much?

And now you're just being spitefully sarcastic. You know full well that there was nothing wrong with Vader's cyborg elements.

You told me to go to Wookiepedia. I did. Was it Sio Bibble who looked like an idiot, in his dark blue doublet? Was Mas Amada overdressed for his job as seargent at arms for the Senate of the Entire Galaxy? Was it those tarted up Jedi in their austere robes? Dooku in his black shirt and slacks? Was the Prime Minister of Kamino overdressed? You say they all look like idiots, I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about.

Why do you act like I haven't given examples when I already have? Another poster on this thread did that too, just after I gave the examples.

Some outfits cross the line by themselves and some others wouldn't be a problem if there weren't so much of that kind of thing along with stuff that was worse. The prequels got this idea of doing overdone outfits and flogged it to death.

C3PX said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

I see a lot of making excuses here for something dumb and pretentious in films most of us dislike. I don't get it.

And your not gonna get it, so we might as well drop it. We've all said our piece.

 

Similarly, it seems like you guys totally aren't getting what I'm talking about. I see no sign of you understanding what I'm saying. But it bewilders me to see people lining up to defend a stupid element in films they claim to dislike. Like the poster who started this thread, I quite reasonably felt the stuff was over the top. But as you've said, this is not getting anywhere, so I think I'm done discussing this. Sorry if I pissed anybody off. I've just been trying to communicate.

Star wars is not sci-fi, it is FANTASY. It's always been about cool planets and cool aliens and cool ships, Star Wars is very much about style. And I suppose you real chinese emperors and european nobles looked silly too. I think the OT costumes look silly, why would a princess wear a white sheet and a city administrator wear "dress down day" clothes with a cape? The OT costumes made no sense. The ornateness of the PT costumes re more realistic than the thrown together OT costumes.

Star Wars cannot be simply categorized as being only fantasy or only science fiction. It is both.

The OT costumes worked fine. They went so far and no further. The PT costumes go further, much further, as you can see from the ridiculous getup they put the queens of Naboo in. I'm sorry I don't see what's so senseless about the OT costumes. Leia's costume seems pretty reasonable for a princess. I think Lando's is pretty reasonable for a dandified city administrator in a science fantasy film. Neither costume makes the character look like an absolute idiot like the Naboo queens' costumes do. And I have to say I really fail to see how the PT costumes are somehow more "realistic" than the OT ones.

I see a lot of making excuses here for something dumb and pretentious in films most of us dislike. I don't get it.

As for your Chinese emperor, I'm sorry but that's more moderate than what they put poor Padme and the other queens in. Also, dressing monarchs in particular in extreme ways has a lot to do with society's viewing monarchs as superior to the general populace. I would expect an advanced society (Naboo is supposed to be especially enlightened) that ELECTS its monarchs from the general populace to be a bit more advanced in its thinking (such as not viewing monarchs as so superior) and maybe not dress their monarchs in such a worshipful manner. There is no call for Lucas to have his democratic enlightened paradise world's monarchs exceed the excesses of Earth's monarchs of earlier eras. The intention seems to have been similar to the cgi backgrounds -"Let's put on a big showy show to show we can". It was dumb and destructive.

Btw, I hope that people understand that I'm not just talking about clothing. Hairstyles and makeup are very much part of the picture and particularly relevant in the case of the Naboo queens.

Star Wars has turned into such a cash in. It always was a big merchandising thing, but it really ramped up in the 90s.

C3PX said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

So what. Hardly particularly extreme. Nothing next to some of the outfits that turn up in the prequels.

 

I am just saying, I'd personally consider wearing a cape to fall into the category of, "silly robes or overdone getup". 

My point in this whole thing is, even in our own world, a single planet, is so full of diverse cultures, many of which have some pretty bizarre traditional clothing. So bizarre, that many people from other cultures would be rather quick to point out how stupid, pompous, and absurd these other cultures are. To me it is not beyond the realm of reason that a universe full of many inhabitable planets filled with numerous alien races, would all dress in ski jackets, dull robes/rags, and vests. I like the idea of the galaxy being more diverse before the the Empire took over, and being more drab, bland and culture less after. I think this is a pretty cool concept. Maybe ol' George had his people go a little overboard at times, but for the most part, I think it worked rather well. Whether well executed or not, I really respect what George was trying to do there; at least he tried, which is something that cannot be said for most other aspects of the PT. I have far more respect for a concept that was tried and failed, than the total lack of trying that is evident throughout those three awful films.

Of course, all this is just my opinion. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. We have both overstated our point to quite a degree.

That's rationalizing it. The reality is that the prequel films way overdid this sort of costume because the people making them clearly got too into making everything elaborate and opulent. It was not necessary to do that and it adds to the bullshit feel of the films. You can see and feel that they're pushing something artificial, just as you can see and feel they're pushing something artificial when the Mustafar scene hammers you over the head with the message "This is Momentous scene -feel!"

And wearing a cape is minor compared to some overdone robes and a weird hairstyle. It may look silly or overdone but it is definitely rather less so than the extreme luxurious stuff the prequel people wear.

rcb said:

come on people. its a different universe, different customs, different planets. here on earth, we have a custom to wear certain things when attending events. the cultures around the world have different ways of dressing. the SWU is full of planets with their own cultures.

Again, this is rationalizing it rather than looking at what's actually going on.

TMBTM said:

The funny thing is that people who don't like Star Wars in general often call the OT "those movies where the guys wear pyjama with boots".

The OT clothing is reasonable science fiction clothing. The prequel clothing is pompous and pretentious. And there might be some reason for such clothing in a republic that's declining and decadent, but it's taken too far. To the point where they're clearly showing off "Look at the fancy outfits we designed for these films!"

Johnny Ringo said:

If you are going to make the same outlandish claims over and over can you at least back them up? People may agree with you if they actually understand what you referring to.

 

C3PX said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

In ESB we met a showy city administrator (Lando) , but he didn't feel the need to dress up in silly robes or way overdone getup

 

He was wearing a bloody cape for cripes sakes!!!

 

 

I almost fell off my chair lolling.

I haven't made a single outlandish claim. There's nothing remotely outlandish about what I've said. All you have to do is watch the films to see what I mean. Furthermore, my claims have been well backed up, such as by reference to Padme's royal outfits and the outfits of the other two Naboo queens and the clothing of the senators gathering to start the rebellion. But I shouldn't need to give examples if people saw the films, because what I'm talking about is very obvious in the films.

So what. Hardly particularly extreme. Nothing next to some of the outfits that turn up in the prequels.

Yes please do look frame by frame. Or better yet, look up the film on wookieepedia and go through the list of characters. All characters who appear, no matter how minor, have an effect on the feel and are relevant when judging the mentality.

Padme's royal outfits and the outfits of the other queens of Naboo are a classic example of the problem. Note that outfits includes hairstyles and makeup. And just because there were senators doesn't mean they all had to be in ornate robes. In ESB we met a showy city administrator (Lando) , but he didn't feel the need to dress up in silly robes or way overdone getup. Take a look at the ROTS deleted scenes of the senators trying to start the rebellion for some outfits.

C3PX said:

 

Vaderisnohayden just really hates the PT to such an extent, you'd be hard pressed to get him to agree that there is even the tiniest bit of good in them. Don't worry about it.

 

You really like stereotyping me, don't you? Your statement is patently false. I have often stated positive feelings toward TPM and toward Neeson's performance in particular. I have no trouble admitting there is good in the prequels where there actually is good. But I'm not going to go suddenly saying some aspect is good when it's not just because you think it is.

The PT waters all this down, and suddenly stormtroopers are lousy clones that nobody cares about. Lame way to make the series seemingly less violent.

The stormtroopers were already established as being clones in Star Wars Official Poster Monthly back in the late 70s.

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?

 

 Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants. 

There were a lot more characters than just Padme and Jar Jar. Take a look at some of the outfits worn by minor characters. And Padme did look like an idiot.

TMBTM said:

The fact that the prequels are obviously not as good as the OT don't mean that every single aspect of the movies needs to be bashed.

Every single thing that's wrong with them does deserve to be to be bashed. There's no good reason why it shouldn't be that way.

Almost every posts, with the exeption of yours, brought an argument about why the costumes are looking the way they are.

Now you want me to make excuses for something I dislike? That's a bit weird. And anyway, I did say why the costumees are like that -because of the pomposity and pretention of the prequels. That's as good an argument for why as any other. 

If you don't like the style, you don't like the style, but the costumes are one the few elements in the PT that were done for good reasons. IMO.

YOU think they were done for good reasons. I don't. I think they were done because of a bullshit attitude. 

I think your problem is maybe more that there are too much Queen, senators, politicians etc... in the PT. And I'd be totaly with you on this one. But once you have this sort of characters, you just can't dress them in rags.

Just because you can't dress them in rags doesn't mean they have to be dressed like that. In the OT we got a princess and a city administrator. They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?

C3PX said:

 

Kind of funny to hear you say this, it reminds me exactly of what I hear people say about other cultures and the "stupid" ways they dress and behave (I do a lot of cross-cultural work, as well as exit and entry counseling for American workers in foreign countries, so I deal a lot with bitter Americans who have grown to hate a certain culture that they find themselves unable to understand or fit in with). Props to George on that one, sound like he did a good job.

Oh nonsense. It isn't a good job making them culturally different, it's just a conspicuous example of the prequels obsession with making everything opulent and elaborate and prettified. The prequels are all show. Like the elaborate cgi backgrounds dwarfing the characters, while the characters don't make a connection and the human element is clearly not paid enough attention to. Your statement is clearly intended to imply that I'm a narrow-minded bigot, but the prequels outfits are not outfits that naturally evolved as part of an organic culture, they're just a product of prequel pomposity and pretention.

You know, there are a lot of reasons to hate the PT, but I think somepeople would have hated them no matter what. Even if they would have been good in every other way, would you still pick them apart and hate them because of the stupid, pompous ways the characters were dressed?

That's nonsense. I dislike the way they're dressed because it's part of the overall bullshit mentality of the prequels. If the prequels had been done well or in a way that fitted with the OT I would have liked the prequels and I wouldnt give a damn about the outfits. If they had the "been good in every other way", the outfits wouldn't be a concern. The outfits are a concern solely as part of an overall mentality which causes the lack of quality and lack of consistency with the OT. If that mentality wasn't there and the outits were just an isolated thing they wouldn't be worth giving a damn about. I didn't set out to hate the prequels. After all, I didn't even start hating the PT until I saw AOTC. Stop stereotyping my mentality.

Making things look different from modern Earth didn't require dressing people in such a way as to make them look stupid or pompous. The whole they-should-look-different-so-we'll-make-them-look-stupid thing is just an example of the sort pretention that marks the PT.

There was a variety of clothing in the OT. It wasn't all just practical. Look at Biggs's Tatooine outfit or Lando's Bespin outfit or Leia's ANH or Bespin outfits. The OT managed to give them fancy outfits without making them look stupid. The PT couldn't manage the same because the PT was made with a bullshit atttude.

And you can have different cultures dress differently without going into the sort of pomposity of dress that you get in the prequels. It could even have been made somewhat different from the OT's clothing without being made so bullshit.

The prequels are full of people dressed up in totally silly costumes looking ridiculous. It makes the prequels universe look full of bullshit. It's part of the general bullshittiness of the prequels, part of the overall bullshit mentality that's responsible for the prequels being such a wreck. Padme's royal getup is torture. Leia's ANH hairstyle is nothing next to the avalanche of crap looks we get in the prequels.

SilverWook said:

Some publicity shots could have been a little disinformation campaign on the part of Lucasfilm just like the phony script pages were.

 What's these phony script pages?

Scruffy said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Kenobi wasn't resurrected. He became a ghost. That's dead.

Maybe my materialist/antisupernaturalist bias is showing, but for storytelling purposes there's no practical difference between a ghost and a resurrection. In both cases, the finality of death is undone and the dead are free to interact with the living, make and carry out plans, influence the universe, etc. It's not like Kenobi was a shade combined to the underworld, or doomed for a certain term to walk the night. He just tricked Vader into discorporating him so he could act in secret, unencumbered by a physical shell. He wasn't a classical ghost segregated from the living world, a Shakespearean soul in torment, a Victorian table-knocker, or a modern residual haunting. He was just a non-corporeal living being.

And he wasn't the only one. By the end of the Trilogy, we had also seen Anakin and Yoda in this state. That is, every Force-sensitve bar one who physically died wasn't really dead. They were shown dying, on film, then the filmmaker resurrected them. As "ghosts." This is hardly surprising--the same filmmaker filled his universe with telekinesis, telepathy, and clairvoyance, so ghosts fit right in.

Dead is dead, ghost or no. They were ghosts, not resurrected. Palpatine was resurrected as flesh and blood. Big difference.

Now, does Palpatine's "resurrection" fit in as well? I'd argue that it does. Remember, when DE was written every other Force-user was able to maintain their consciousness and personality after death. Why not Palpatine? The circumstantial evidence suggests he could. And--in a universe full of telekinesis, telepathy, clairvoyance, and ghosts--who's to say possession doesn't also occur? It's a logical outgrowth of Yoda's philosophy and the evidence for the soul existing independently from the body. The body is crude matter, the person is the soul, and the Force binds everything together. So the body is just a meat puppet animated by the soul. A sufficiently powerful soul could animate another body. And so Palpatine did.

That's just rationalizing it. But really Palpatine's resurrection as flesh and blood is another class of thing entirely and strains suspension of disbelief more and generally makes the whole thing feel less real.

You will note that I was including the DE Sourcebook in my earlier comments on DE. Most of what we know of Palpatine's plans for his theocracy come from the Sourcebook. (And probably later books that I have not read.)

Anyhow, the bathrobe tyrant of RotJ served as a decent nemesis for Luke Skywalker after Lucas decided to make Vader more sympathetic. But nothing about him screamed "galactic emperor" or "dark overlord." He seemed to have no plan or vision for the empire he had created. If it was just an oversized bodyguard to support his lavish lifestyle on Coruscant, that's great, but hardly distinctive. Dark Empire and its ancillary materials defined those distinctive elements that made the Galactic Empire more than just a slightly overzealous version of the British Empire in space.

Well, I don't think any of that is necessary. The empire and emperor do quite well as they are in the films. And no amount of Dark Empire Sourcebook stuff changes the fact that Palpatine as done in those comics comes off as a totally non-distinctive cliche villain not written intelligently at all and failing to come off genuinely like Palpatine. ROTJ's Palpatine was distinctive and convincing. DE's Palpatine is nothing of the sort and is just low level cheese.

Re: Boba Fett, I am always surprised by how many OOT fans ignore the bit about the "pain and agony as you are slowly digested for a thousand years[*]." Taken at face value, Boba Fett could not possibly have died during Return of the Jedi. If we assume that Jabba was exaggerating by several orders of magnitude ... Boba Fett could not possibly have died during Return of the Jedi. I'd like to think anyone who fell into the Pit of Carkoon died quickly and painlessly, because I have an aversion to torture, but Jabba does not, so I think they survived in the Sarlacc a long time. And I think the guy covered in armor, weapons, and a jet pack could maybe get out. Turns out the people who Lucas's corporation hired to continue Star Wars agree with me on this one.

[*] You could try to knock a few centuries off the survival time by arguing that most of the digestion must be post mortem. However, Threepio's language is clear: The pain and agony are coterminous with the thousand years of digestion. How a human being could survive being lunch for a millennium is something else that the DESB explores. And it gives us this line which elevates an otherwise average roleplaying supplement to great literature: "Half a kiloton was excessive, even for Fett."

The digesting for a thousand years line doesn't change the fact that Fett was supposed to die in ROTJ. His resurrection in the expanded universe was stupid and done just to satisfy fans.  

Scruffy said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Once you start resurrecting characters you lose something.

*cough*obiwankenobi*cough*

Kenobi wasn't resurrected. He became a ghost. That's dead.

Dark Empire is probably both the best vision of a near-term post-RotJ galaxy yet, but it's also great science fantasy in its own right. On film, Palpatine is merely a cackling megalomaniac, with no real motive except to take over the Galaxy then wander about it in his bathrobe. DE and its associated WEG sourcebook really delve into Palpatine's plans for himself and the galaxy. The story was unfortunately truncated, but most of what there is is good.

I thought the Dark Empire portrayal of Palpatine was pathetic. In ROTJ he was a distinctive villain, whereas in the Dark Empire, Dark Empire 2 and Empire's End comics has was just a non-disticntive cliche villain and rather annoying. And they didn't bother to draw him looking anything like Palpatine.